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Old 01-10-2006, 04:25 AM   #2921
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And all i hear now is that the Patriots are the team no one wants to face.

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Kitna will start somewhere next season, and he will do well. He did well before Carson was handed the starting spot. And the commentators made a special point to point out how Kitna gets a large number of snaps each week in practice just in case.

Fact is, Carson went down, the entire team was running scared. They had the lead ffs, get some motivation to run out the clock or something. Come on.
Kitna will probably start in Cinci, torn ACL & MCL, don't see Palmer ready week 1.

That being said, Kitna is not a good starter, he's servicable if that, with a good team around him he can put up some decent numbers, but he can't carry a team.
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I've seen guys come back from a torn ACL/MCL. MCL's aren't that bad. Texas Tech's QB had a torn MCL against us and played every series but two - the one where he hurt it and the next one. He came back and led a scoring drive. ACL's are a different story though. One of my HS teammates tore his ACL and MCL at the beginning of this year, and he is running on it now.
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I've seen guys come back from a torn ACL/MCL. MCL's aren't that bad. Texas Tech's QB had a torn MCL against us and played every series but two - the one where he hurt it and the next one. He came back and led a scoring drive. ACL's are a different story though. One of my HS teammates tore his ACL and MCL at the beginning of this year, and he is running on it now.
Palmer tore both, ACL and MCL, he'll have the best of the best and I hear they have new healing techniques, so who knows.. maybe he will be ready, but I'd be suprised.
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I'd be shocked if Palmer was 100% before say October. Having said that I only read early sketchy reports that it was the MCL and the ACL, only offical reports I've seen say ACL only.
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And all i hear now is that the Patriots are the team no one wants to face.

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Chargers broke the streak and couldn't even make the playoffs... that makes the Colts beatable.

Brady is 10 and 0 in the playoffs.

I'd rather play the Colts, tbh.
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So, the Jets are interviewing Eric Mangini. He's been the pats DC for 1year, his experience starts as possible the oldest "ball boy" in history, he was a college graduate and "ball boy" in cleveland, he's someone who has always been somehow labeled as "some day a head coach". There was talk the Pats want to keep him long term to someday take over for Belicheck.

I don't think going to the Jets would be good for a first time coach. Their last coach was a players coach, they need to rebuild, neither one will indear a new coach to the team.

The jets front office/owner and the Pats front office/owner don't get along, haven't since the Parcells situation, so this could be the case of the Jets just trying to screw with the Pats before a big playoff game.

Would he take the job? good question, will probably mean more money, my bet is, the Pats offer him 500-1mil range to stay as DC and that would keep him from taking a HC job just for the money, rather then the "right" situation.
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Who do you guys think Houston will take with the first pick in the draft (assuming Bush declares)? Supposedly, alot of fans want them to take Vince Young to 'groom' behind Carr. I think they are in a pretty shitty spot to say the least. I think Carr is a good qb who lacks an OL capable of blocking. He's very mobile, so i'm not sure Vince would do that much better. They have Dominick Davis, so they really don't need Reggie. So what do you do if your them? Trade down and pick up more picks? I would do that if i were them. They need an o-line more than anything. What do you think?
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If you draft Reggie Bush you are going to need somebody like Davis. Reggie only carried it 10-15 times in college - so he's not going to carry it 25-30 times a game as a pro. I am pretty sure the Texans already announced they are drafting Bush - good luck to him running behind that offensive line.
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They interviewed one Theodore S Cottrell, Esquire.
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1) Bush
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3) See 2)

If it's any different from that it'll be a surprise.
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Nice, get the guy to take the Token interview so they wont get fined.

Did the new coach keep him?

Remember when Detroit made it clear they wanted Marriuci, but had to interview a minority canidate, so they called Dennis Green but he refused to interview so they got fined.
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If I coached Houston.

Draft Bush.

Trade Davis to Philly for Owens

Trade up into the late first round and grab Jay Cutler.
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If I coached Houston.

Draft Bush.

Trade Davis to Philly for Owens

Trade up into the late first round and grab Jay Cutler.
Even though Philly would love to get rid of T.O., they would not do it for Domanick Davis. They want something big for him, I could almost guarantee that. Its not going to be some David Boston type deal.
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If I coached Houston.

Draft Bush.

Trade Davis to Philly for Owens

Trade up into the late first round and grab Jay Cutler.
VEL, nobody is going to trade for Owens. Philly is going to cut him. He is owed something like a 5 million dollar roster bonus if he's on the team by a certain date (not sure what it is). Any team would be foolish to trade for him. That would mean they would have to pay him that and pick up the rest of his contract. Not worth it. When he's cut any team can pick him up for far less then he is making now. I think houston should trade down and pick up more picks. They are not weak at RB and QB, they need help in just about every other aspect of the team. So more picks=more holes filled.
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Even though Philly would love to get rid of T.O., they would not do it for Domanick Davis. They want something big for him, I could almost guarantee that. Its not going to be some David Boston type deal.
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VEL, nobody is going to trade for Owens. Philly is going to cut him. He is owed something like a 5 million dollar roster bonus if he's on the team by a certain date (not sure what it is). Any team would be foolish to trade for him. That would mean they would have to pay him that and pick up the rest of his contract. Not worth it. When he's cut any team can pick him up for far less then he is making now. I think houston should trade down and pick up more picks. They are not weak at RB and QB, they need help in just about every other aspect of the team. So more picks=more holes filled.
So, you both say I'm wrong, but for opposite reasons, so you two duke it out in the thunderdome, 2 men enter, 1 man leave and then I'll know which to respond to.

ok, lets make it an Orgy! (plays Visera music).

Gonzo - Philly will take any reasonable offer just to get rid of the salary left. What they want and what they know they'll get are completely different.

EoE - Someone will trade for him, someone will pick up the money after a bunch of meetings with him and say something like "We talked and he's happy to be here and anything he can do to help us win". Bush>Davis, TO>______ and Cutlert>Carr.

Maybe Carr will finally break out, he's had some flahses... I just don't see it.

While I feel strongly you build a team with Defense and Special Teams, Houston also needs butts in the seats, and that type of team could put up some points, and be young enough to allow you to build the next few years. TO one one side, Andre Johnson on the other, Bush linening up in the backfield and the slot.

Their OL has been together 3-4 years, and most are young, but they gave up over 60 sacks, I don't watch Houston games, but I wonder how many were there fault and how many were Carr not getting rid of the ball.

That would be my plan, but the "core offense" in place this year and let the build together while you improve the defense, and maybe steal a few wins in some shoot outs.
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Well, I was unaware of the contract situation. So EoE's point makes a ton more sense. I can't imagine any team actually trading for him then unless the Eagles package something with Terrell to make the contract the other team would be picking up a non issue.
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This is an article i found on Yahoo sports. Its the Eagles giving Rosenhaus permission to seek a trade for Owens. With this being the case, i don't see anyone trading for him. It would be stupid.

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- The Philadelphia Eagles have given agent Drew Rosenhaus permission to seek a trade for Terrell Owens, though it's unlikely a team would give up players or draft picks for the star receiver.

Owens' tumultuous time in Philadelphia ended in November when the Eagles suspended him four games for conduct detrimental to the team and deactivated him the last five games of the season.

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A series of infractions, including repeated criticism of quarterback Donovan McNabb and a verbal shot at the organization, led to Owens' banishment.

Rosenhaus has worked out trades for other client's in the past, including Washington running back Clinton Portis. However, it'll be difficult to do so with Owens, considering other teams know the Eagles are forced to cut him by March 1. Owens is due a $2.5 million signing bonus and $5 million roster bonus by that date if the Eagles don't let him go before.

Owens has five seasons remaining on the seven-year, $48.97 million contract he signed in March 2004. If a team trades for Owens, it would assume the contract he negotiated with the Eagles or redo the deal.

Owens is due a base salary of $770,000 next season, and was set to earn $5.5 million in 2007, $6.5 million in 2008, $7.5 million in 2009, and $8.5 million in 2010.

His problems in Philadelphia started when he demanded a new contract after an outstanding season in which he caught 77 passes for 1,200 yards and 14 touchdowns, helping the Eagles reach the Super Bowl for the first time in 24 years.

The 10-year veteran caught 47 passes for 763 yards and six touchdowns in a career-low seven games this season.

In late November, arbitrator Richard Bloch upheld the Eagles' suspension of Owens.
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Someone will trade for him, the only reason is, it keeps him from being on the open market.

Plus, you can renegotiate deals.

I told you what I would do, not what I think they'll do.

Anyway, someone tell me this, all the jobs Kubiack has turned down over the years, what made the Texas so appealing that he took it?
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Someone will trade for him, the only reason is, it keeps him from being on the open market.

Why would anyone trade for him if he will be a FA? Would you give up a draft pick or another player for someone you can sign when he's cut? Bottom line is, he will be cut and NO team will give him a ton of money. Someone will probably give him a one year deal for decent money, but noone is going to give him a ton of money right now. He may get more money down the road, but thats IF he can straighten out and be a team player.

Plus, you can renegotiate deals.

I told you what I would do, not what I think they'll do.

Sure you can renegotiate deals, but when he's a free agent you can give him the same money contract you would if you renegotiated with him, except you wouldn't be giving up any draft picks.

Anyway, someone tell me this, all the jobs Kubiack has turned down over the years, what made the Texas so appealing that he took it?

Where did you hear this? I thought you couldn't negotiate with a coach in the playoffs? If he did take the job, i would think it has to do with the Texans potential. The owner seems like he's willing to spend money, and as far as i'm concerned they are a couple O-linemen away from being competetive. Davis is a stud and i think Carr could be very good if he was given more than 2 seconds to throw. I think their defense is decent and i honestly think they are a few pieces away from being a playoff team. Isn't that what you'd be looking for if you were a coach?
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again, we'll agree to disagree on Owens. There will probably be a trade before a cut.

on Kubiack they've been reporting it on the radio, but I don't see anything on espn's site, so it may be a speculation they jumped the guy on.

I did just read an article that Kubiack didn't leave Denver because his kids were "growing up" and didn't want to move them around, but he's from Houston, played at A&M and interviewed for the Texans job before Capers got it.

There are rules about coaches interviewing during playoffs, I think it's usually only on a bye week, but a team can give permission at other times. Kubiack interviews last week during the bye.

The NFL had to set up rules, because the top OC/DC on super bowl teams, weren't getting jobs because owners were making decisions before the superbowl and these guys were busy trying to win still.
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again, we'll agree to disagree on Owens. There will probably be a trade before a cut.

on Kubiack they've been reporting it on the radio, but I don't see anything on espn's site, so it may be a speculation they jumped the guy on.

I did just read an article that Kubiack didn't leave Denver because his kids were "growing up" and didn't want to move them around, but he's from Houston, played at A&M and interviewed for the Texans job before Capers got it.

There are rules about coaches interviewing during playoffs, I think it's usually only on a bye week, but a team can give permission at other times. Kubiack interviews last week during the bye.

The NFL had to set up rules, because the top OC/DC on super bowl teams, weren't getting jobs because owners were making decisions before the superbowl and these guys were busy trying to win still.
I agree, lets agree to disagree We'll see what happens. I'll stick with my gut feeling that he will be cut and someone will give him a chance.
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Packers new coach is going to be Mike McCarthy, offensive coordinator of the 49ers.

He has coached for 20+ years and has a good relationship with Favre. Plus he was here (GB) in 1999.

Many people will bash this, but hey, don't judge a guy before you see what he does with a team. I am very much looking forward to next season.
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Nice, get the guy to take the Token interview so they wont get fined.

Did the new coach keep him?

Remember when Detroit made it clear they wanted Marriuci, but had to interview a minority canidate, so they called Dennis Green but he refused to interview so they got fined.
Hahahaha no he got cut, they brought in a 33 year old, the d-backs coach of the Buccs... so we'll be getting the tampa 2 next year. Too bad we don't have the team for it.
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Chiefs will get T.O.
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Even though I picked Denver, I checked the spread last night and the Pats were evens at +3, which is unbelievably tempting
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I think forcing teams to interview a minority candidate is fucking stupid.
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I think forcing teams to interview a minority candidate is fucking stupid.
Do you feel the same about all affirmative Action/Racial Quotas?
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