NFL 2005 Season Thread

[RP]

And that Palamalu interception that was overturned. Look i'm a die hard Colts fan, but i have to admit.

The fix was in.

That guy took like 5 minutes to look at that. It was almost like someone from the league called him and gave him the exact wording to use when he overturned the call. That was rediculous. I didnt wanna win it like that ( Tho if we would have won , i wouldnt say a damn thing ... ).

Oh well. I doubt we will ever field a team as good as this one and i'm pretty convinced i wont see any of my teams win a title any time soon. It really just isnt meant to be in Indiana. I just dont know what else to say.

[Joey Slugs]

I just hope that Payton doesn't get stuck like Marino did by being the greatest quarterback and yet never getting the ring.

Eli will get one, I'm just not sure that Payton will.

[Gonzo]

If I have to sit through years of Eli falling short at such a young age, I might just quit before it begins.

[RoXer]

I just feel that the Seahawks, above all other teams, are a product of their schedule. Of the 13 wins, maybe 5 are legit.

They went 6-0 in their division? Well then thats got to mean they're Super Bowl bound. To take on the powerhouse Cardinals and 49ers four times in a season, that tells you this team is destined for the championship. The Rams are the only team to pose a type of a threat but they were below .500 also and didn't impress either.

But don't stop the presses just yet, because the Seahawks also played the Titans, Texans, and Eagles. This "incredible offense" of the Seattle had 4 more net yards than the Eagles while most of their TDs came from picking the future Hall of Famer, Mike McMahon.

They just barely squeaked by the Giants. In my opinion, New York outplayed them in just about every way. They even had a zillion false starts, and still managed to put up a fight. Feely just fucked it up.

True, they also beat the Colts. The Colts were without Marvin Harrison, Bob Sanders, and Cato June. Manning only played a quarter. They did already clinch home-field. BUT WHOS COUNTING.

That leaves the Falcons and the Cowboys. At the time, the Falcons wern't terrible and Seattle did a pretty good job the first half. Almost blew it in the second half though. They just barely edged out the Cowboys in that final drive too.

Should the Seahawks be a playoff team? Probably. Should they be a number 1 seed? Probably not. In my opinion, I haven't been impressed with them all season. And I know The Miz is going to shoot me down and give me sats and analysis, but don't bother because I don't care. I don't want to get into a Miz-Vel/RP-Vel/whatever type of arguement that goes on forever. They just haven't impressed me and thats why.

[The Miz]

Originally Posted by Joey RoXer I just feel that the Seahawks, above all other teams, are a product of their schedule. Of the 13 wins, maybe 5 are legit. They went 6-0 in their division? Well then thats got to mean they're Super Bowl bound. To take on the powerhouse Cardinals and 49ers four times in a season, that tells you this team is destined for the championship. The Rams are the only team to pose a type of a threat but they were below .500 also and didn't impress either. But don't stop the presses just yet, because the Seahawks also played the Titans, Texans, and Eagles. This "incredible offense" of the Seattle had 4 more net yards than the Eagles while most of their TDs came from picking the future Hall of Famer, Mike McMahon. They just barely squeaked by the Giants. In my opinion, New York outplayed them in just about every way. They even had a zillion false starts, and still managed to put up a fight. Feely just fucked it up. True, they also beat the Colts. The Colts were without Marvin Harrison, Bob Sanders, and Cato June. Manning only played a quarter. They did already clinch home-field. BUT WHOS COUNTING. That leaves the Falcons and the Cowboys. At the time, the Falcons wern't terrible and Seattle did a pretty good job the first half. Almost blew it in the second half though. They just barely edged out the Cowboys in that final drive too. Should the Seahawks be a playoff team? Probably. Should they be a number 1 seed? Probably not. In my opinion, I haven't been impressed with them all season. And I know The Miz is going to shoot me down and give me sats and analysis, but don't bother because I don't care. I don't want to get into a Miz-Vel/RP-Vel/whatever type of arguement that goes on forever. They just haven't impressed me and thats why.

I don't know if you noticed, but the NFL had a ton of shitty teams this year. No one had that tough of a schedule, especially NFC teams. The Seahawks beat the teams they should've.

If you take this post and replace the word Seahawks with Panthers it makes perfect sense. Carolina beat New England, great. And who else? Tampa Bay? Minnesota? Uh... Arizona? Their schedule was equally as crappy as the Seahawks', but with a few exceptions they beat the teams they should've. Why aren't you calling them overrated?

I've heard alot of NFL commentators talk about the Seahawks, and 99% of them mention the easy schedule. I don't see how you can say they're overrated when every single person points this out. Every single team in the NFC had an easy schedule, because the NFC is shit.

I think Seattle and Carolina have proven all year long they are the two best teams in the NFC and I'm glad they're facing off. I like our chances; we've been playing well at home, Hasselbeck and Jackson are on fire, we're completely healthy, and we're much less nervous now that the monkey is off our back. Carolina is missing their top 2 running backs as well as possibly their best lineman. I still think they have a great shot, Delhomme and Smith are playing good enough to overcome the running game, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they return to the SuperBowl.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by The Miz I don't know if you noticed, but the NFL had a ton of shitty teams this year. No one had that tough of a schedule, especially NFC teams. The Seahawks beat the teams they should've. If you take this post and replace the word Seahawks with Panthers it makes perfect sense. Carolina beat New England, great. And who else? Tampa Bay? Minnesota? Uh... Arizona? Their schedule was equally as crappy as the Seahawks', but with a few exceptions they beat the teams they should've. Why aren't you calling them overrated? I've heard alot of NFL commentators talk about the Seahawks, and 99% of them mention the easy schedule. I don't see how you can say they're overrated when every single person points this out. Every single team in the NFC had an easy schedule, because the NFC is shit. I think Seattle and Carolina have proven all year long they are the two best teams in the NFC and I'm glad they're facing off. I like our chances; we've been playing well at home, Hasselbeck and Jackson are on fire, we're completely healthy, and we're much less nervous now that the monkey is off our back. Carolina is missing their top 2 running backs as well as possibly their best lineman. I still think they have a great shot, Delhomme and Smith are playing good enough to overcome the running game, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they return to the SuperBowl.

Panthers injuries aside (next year they'll be fine, let Deshaun and Davis go and draft someone who is durable), maybe they didn't do that hot during the regular season, when it comes to good teams... but I'll tell you what:

At Meadowlands, pitching a shutout, and then going back to Chicago to lead like, the whole game... The regular season is when good teams win... like the Colts. The postseason is when great teams win... which is why I was so dumbfounded by the Pats losing. That was just absurd. I think it's just time. Like with the Lakers... they've probably just lost enough of a step. And enough coaches.

Mangina.

[RoXer]

The Broncos may not be overrated, they just make me angry. Why is it that not one god damn team in the NFL can figure out a play to stop the bootleg. I swear, Jake bootlegs like a million times every game and it always gets them. It's like the defense just stops in their tracks with their jaws wide open and go "OMG WTF a bootleg? WHAT DO WE DOOO?!?!!111" You'd think of the 11 athletes on the field and the brains of the coordinaters and coaches that SOMEONE would figure out just one play to prevent it. It just pisses me off is all.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Joey RoXer The Broncos may not be overrated, they just make me angry. Why is it that not one god damn team in the NFL can figure out a play to stop the bootleg. I swear, Jake bootlegs like a million times every game and it always gets them. It's like the defense just stops in their tracks with their jaws wide open and go "OMG WTF a bootleg? WHAT DO WE DOOO?!?!!111" You'd think of the 11 athletes on the field and the brains of the coordinaters and coaches that SOMEONE would figure out just one play to prevent it. It just pisses me off is all.

"Stay your lanes" is the best way to defend it and how the team's who handle success... you don't pressure him and allow him to run and you don't pull off your coverage and allow him to throw over you.

Typically what happens is one guy will apply pressure before the other is in position to contain.

Stat that I just found out about that really hurts...

Denver had something like under 30yds on 24 points... Ugh... I say again, I would have rathered a 48-7 blow out then to lose this way.

Last 10 playoff games 6 turnovers, 11th game 5 turnovers.

[Skippord]

Hehehe Worked with Elway too

[VonErich Lives]

Hey RP,

Just wondering how the reaction/press is in Indy vs. nationally.

Nationally 2 people are getting it hard.

1) Vanderjerk, because this isn't the first time he's missed a "key kick" and this was in a dome.

2) Manning, not for his play, but his comments after the game about the OL.

I'm trying to be a good teammate here," Manning said, choosing his words carefully. "Let's just say we had some problems in protection. I'll give Pittsburgh credit for the blitzes and their rush. Those guys rushed. But we did have some protection problems."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...adlines-sports

I dunno, just seems to me like he hung his OL out to dry on that one, that's a comment I'd expect from Dan Marino, and didn't expect that from Manning personally.

and how's Johnny Walker Black work for ya? (got a bottle as a holiday gift I haven't cracked yet).

[RP]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Hey RP, Just wondering how the reaction/press is in Indy vs. nationally. Nationally 2 people are getting it hard. 1) Vanderjerk, because this isn't the first time he's missed a "key kick" and this was in a dome. 2) Manning, not for his play, but his comments after the game about the OL. http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...adlines-sports I dunno, just seems to me like he hung his OL out to dry on that one, that's a comment I'd expect from Dan Marino, and didn't expect that from Manning personally. and how's Johnny Walker Black work for ya? (got a bottle as a holiday gift I haven't cracked yet).

Stupid comment, but mostly true. There were way too many leaks in the O line. Blitzing or not blitzing. People that should have been picked up, werent getting picked up. Manning is tired of losing and he's tired of hearing about it. When you stick a mic in the guys face after a game like that and ask him the same questions he's been asked for 5 years. Frustration is bound to seep out. He played horrible for most of the game and it bit him in the ass. For some reason he cant get us to the superbowl. I trust eventually we'll get there, but its just so damn frustrating.

As for our kicker. He's a fucking douche.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder Stupid comment, but mostly true. There were way too many leaks in the O line. Blitzing or not blitzing. People that should have been picked up, werent getting picked up. Manning is tired of losing and he's tired of hearing about it. When you stick a mic in the guys face after a game like that and ask him the same questions he's been asked for 5 years. Frustration is bound to seep out. He played horrible for most of the game and it bit him in the ass. For some reason he cant get us to the superbowl. I trust eventually we'll get there, but its just so damn frustrating. As for our kicker. He's a fucking douche.

Yeah, I heard it many times and read it, but finally saw it tonight.

I think what he meant to say was the "blocking schemes" was an issue, It would be difficult to argue that the Colts don't have a good OL, I think the issue was they weren't properly prepared for the Blitz pakacges of Pitssburg.

So, there's already talk that w/o the Pats going for a 3-peat or Manning going for his first, that the networks aren't happy and that Ad rates are going down.

I'll watch no matter what, normally do, and I just want a good game.

Neck, Stl v. Tennese came down to the last play!

If I have to root for a team now it's Carolina, the only reason I'd like to see Pittsburg win is for Bettis to get a ring, in his last game, in his home town... Although, him doing his little celebration talk/bobing head act after a 1yd gain gets a little tiring.

[D Mac]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder Stupid comment, but mostly true. There were way too many leaks in the O line. Blitzing or not blitzing. People that should have been picked up, werent getting picked up. Manning is tired of losing and he's tired of hearing about it. When you stick a mic in the guys face after a game like that and ask him the same questions he's been asked for 5 years. Frustration is bound to seep out. He played horrible for most of the game and it bit him in the ass. For some reason he cant get us to the superbowl. I trust eventually we'll get there, but its just so damn frustrating. As for our kicker. He's a fucking douche.

"Here we are," Manning said. "I'm out at my third Pro Bowl, I'm about to go in and throw a touchdown to Jerry Rice, we're honoring the Hall of Fame, and we're talking about our idiot kicker who got liquored up and ran his mouth off.

"The sad thing is, he's a good kicker. He's a good kicker. But he's an idiot."

[AlphaBean]

LOL I love when people talk at the Pro Bowl. i.e. Culpepper, who pissed Moss off.

But on the other hand, what was it exactly that VanJagerMeister said last year? Something about mental toughness and clutch?

Either way, I think he forgot exactly what it was he had said...

[D Mac]

Originally Posted by AlphaBean LOL I love when people talk at the Pro Bowl. i.e. Culpepper, who pissed Moss off. But on the other hand, what was it exactly that VanJagerMeister said last year? Something about mental toughness and clutch? Either way, I think he forgot exactly what it was he had said...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2003/0129/1500575.html

[The Miz]

lol as soon as CBS flashed the "Vanderjagt is perfect on kicks at home" graphic I knew he was going to miss

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by The Miz lol as soon as CBS flashed the "Vanderjagt is perfect on kicks at home" graphic I knew he was going to miss

Steve Deossie is on Radio/TV around here and he said he was on the phone with Matt Bahr when Vender was getting ready to kick and Bahr said something like "something's wrong, his mechanices are off, he wont hit this" and well, we know what happened.

Interesting that another (former) kicker knew just by him lineing up that there was a problem (or just a lucky guess).

[FearedSanctity]

lol, same thing with Vinatieri

[VonErich Lives]

So, what does everyone think about the end of the Chicago/Carolina game?

PTI was arguing tonight, one felt it was a cheap shot move and attempt to injur Delhome and someone else felt it was a "last ditch try anything to win" type move.

I'm suprised we've never seen it tried before and it almost worked, he did fumble. I wonder how many copycats we'll see next season.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Seattle FTW!


Seriously, I'm all for the Seahawks, my number one team. Go Seattle!


(I hope Alexander plays the NFC Championship game. )

[RoXer]

Miz, is Shawn Alexander gay? I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, but everytime he interviews with the media he comes off as being a "fayg". His word choice and speaking style is kinda gayish. And when he jumped up and down and clapped when Seattle got a touchdown, that was kinda gay too. I even tried to do a search for his bio to see ih hes married, but I can't find anything. He's still the man though if he is or isn't.

[The Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Joey RoXer Miz, is Shawn Alexander gay? I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, but everytime he interviews with the media he comes off as being a "fayg". His word choice and speaking style is kinda gayish. And when he jumped up and down and clapped when Seattle got a touchdown, that was kinda gay too. I even tried to do a search for his bio to see ih hes married, but I can't find anything. He's still the man though if he is or isn't.

M-V-P

[The Miz]

His has a wife and two daughters, but that doesn't make him not gay. I doubt it though. He's just a really white black guy. If he was gay there's no way he would come out before retiring.

[RoXer]

I seriously wish I had the technology to make .gif of him jumping up and down and clapping.

[OssMan]

Originally Posted by Joey RoXer I seriously wish I had the technology to make .gif of him jumping up and down and clapping.

there is one on the giants board, gonna find it

[The Miz]

Sean Locklear, our starting RG, just got jailed for domestic violence. Great timing, retard. He'd played great all year too.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by The Miz Sean Locklear, our starting RG, just got jailed for domestic violence. Great timing, retard. He'd played great all year too.

Is there really such a thing as "good timing" for domestic violence?

[Gonzo]

Yeah bonehead move.

[The Miz]

Pats D-coordinator Mangini accepts Jets head coaching job

[D Mac]

KIRKLAND, Wash. (AP) -- Shaun Alexander was feeling "loopy" on Saturday.

By Monday, the NFL rushing leader was back in the loop for the Seattle Seahawks as they prepare for the NFC championship game against the Carolina Panthers.

Two days after a concussion knocked Alexander out of Seattle's playoff win over Washington, Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren said he expects doctors to clear the star running back for practice Wednesday.

[RP]

loopy

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Just before a playoff game if you're Nick Harper

[RP]

Originally Posted by Mr. Monday Morning Just before a playoff game if you're Nick Harper

Yah he played a hell of a game. If he would have killed the bitch, the guy would have scored 3 defensive td's.

[The Outlaw]

Also, Joey Porter is a joke.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Originally Posted by The Outlaw Also, Joey Porter is a joke.

How is he a joke? He beasted Manning twice in the final minutes of the game, plus various other times through out the game. Any other QB other then Manning throwing that pass and having that samething happen would be called an INT, I would put money on it. The NFL has been handing it to the Colts for a while now and they haven't gotten it done. "Re-enforcing" the touch fouls on DBs/WRs..who does that help? The Colts. It's kinda funny how that is "reienforcement" was put into place after the Colts' Wideouts where roughed up in the playoffs. Now, I don't think the NFL is giving the Colts a huge advantage, but they are definetly trying to help them out a lot. Manning is the real joke, he tried to blame it on his O-Line but look at that last drive before the field goal. 2 and 2 he goes deep into the endzone - that's okay but Dallas Clark was wide open in the flat, prob woulda got 10 plus. 3 and 2 he goes deep again, and throws an awful pass that was almost picked off. Once again another man was open for a dump off, this time it was Edge coming out of the backfield. Sure, 46 yard fieldgoal should be automatic for a guy like Vanderjek (sp?) but wouldn't rather see it as a 36 year field goal? or a 26 yard field goal?

And on Shaun Alexander, I think hes still got something to prove. I've never seen a guy with a concussion jumping up and down eating sunflower seeds before. He wasn't even hit that hard either. Good luck againest the Panthers, Dan Morgan is a sick motherfucker and they are all going to be gunning for Alexander because he came off extremely soft after the Redskins game.

I don't even wanna talk about the Pats game either, I was all fired up about the horrible pass interference call but then Brady threw a 100 yard INT, Troy Brown fumbled and Vinteri missed a field goal. I just knew it wasn't in the cards for the Patrtiots. Al Wilson looked really impressive in the game, he's really stepped his game up. It will be interesting to see what happens next season.

[The Outlaw]

Originally Posted by sTiMa34 How is he a joke? He beasted Manning twice in the final minutes of the game, plus various other times through out the game. Any other QB other then Manning throwing that pass and having that samething happen would be called an INT, I would put money on it. The NFL has been handing it to the Colts for a while now and they haven't gotten it done. "Re-enforcing" the touch fouls on DBs/WRs..who does that help? The Colts. It's kinda funny how that is "reienforcement" was put into place after the Colts' Wideouts where roughed up in the playoffs. Now, I don't think the NFL is giving the Colts a huge advantage, but they are definetly trying to help them out a lot. Manning is the real joke, he tried to blame it on his O-Line but look at that last drive before the field goal. 2 and 2 he goes deep into the endzone - that's okay but Dallas Clark was wide open in the flat, prob woulda got 10 plus. 3 and 2 he goes deep again, and throws an awful pass that was almost picked off. Once again another man was open for a dump off, this time it was Edge coming out of the backfield. Sure, 46 yard fieldgoal should be automatic for a guy like Vanderjek (sp?) but wouldn't rather see it as a 36 year field goal? or a 26 yard field goal? And on Shaun Alexander, I think hes still got something to prove. I've never seen a guy with a concussion jumping up and down eating sunflower seeds before. He wasn't even hit that hard either. Good luck againest the Panthers, Dan Morgan is a sick motherfucker and they are all going to be gunning for Alexander because he came off extremely soft after the Redskins game. I don't even wanna talk about the Pats game either, I was all fired up about the horrible pass interference call but then Brady threw a 100 yard INT, Troy Brown fumbled and Vinteri missed a field goal. I just knew it wasn't in the cards for the Patrtiots. Al Wilson looked really impressive in the game, he's really stepped his game up. It will be interesting to see what happens next season.

He insinuated that the front office manipulated games, he said everyone wanted the Colts to win even the higher ups, he's a freaking joke and that is one of the most absurd things I have heard. They got a call wrong, was it an INT? Well yeah. Did he not see the game up untill that point or was he too busy running his mouth? Did he not remember the Steelers having it 4th and inches and getting a false start call and it mysteriously NOT being a penalty on either side although the refs blew the play dead, only to go on and make the first down (which was a pretty significant sequence of events)? When at the start of the game the exact thing happened on the opposite side of the ball (except the Colts lineman actually didn't move untill the man was basically in the backfield) and it was called on the offense? Yeah, Porter is a beast and can play but he is a joke. The 5 yard illegal contact call is only beneficial for the Colts? No sir, afraid not. Yeah, Peyton probably should not have said what he said but he was right. This was the first time this year the OL hasn't gotten the job done. I don't even think he was blaming his OL, I took it as he meant they had blocking schemes, assignments, etc. wrong. Not saying "These guys didn't block for shit" but rather saying "We didn't have our assignments down, our schemes didn't fit, etc." Again, just how I took it.

It doesn't take a hard hit to get a concussion. And whenever you do have one (whether it's a slight concussion or a more severe), you shouldn't be inserted back into the game. Concussions aren't something to take lightly. If I had to guess, he had a slight concussion and they were just playing it safe. What else does he have to prove? 89 rushing touchdowns, 11 receiving, 5 consecutive seasons with 1000+ yards, has missed one start since the '02 season, good with the football, sure hands, best RB in the NFL. What exactly does he have to prove? That he can win a Super Bowl? In due time.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Originally Posted by The Outlaw It doesn't take a hard hit to get a concussion. And whenever you do have one (whether it's a slight concussion or a more severe), you shouldn't be inserted back into the game. Concussions aren't something to take lightly. If I had to guess, he had a slight concussion and they were just playing it safe. What else does he have to prove? 89 rushing touchdowns, 11 receiving, 5 consecutive seasons with 1000+ yards, has missed one start since the '02 season, good with the football, sure hands, best RB in the NFL. What exactly does he have to prove? That he can win a Super Bowl? In due time.

That he can run for 50 yards or more in a playoff game would be a start. Also fumbling without being touched isn't much of a good thing.

[The Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Mr. Monday Morning That he can run for 50 yards or more in a playoff game would be a start. Also fumbling without being touched isn't much of a good thing.

Yeah, the fumble was kind of odd, he doesn't fumble a whole lot. Not sure how many yards he had against the Packers but scoring 3 TDs in a playoff game isn't too shabby.

[The Outlaw]

Yes, Peyton Manning should alter his style of playing since it hasn't worked at all for him. Nice observation.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by The Outlaw Yes, Peyton Manning should alter his style of playing since it hasn't worked at all for him. Nice observation.

Not sure if you're responding to Me, Bean or Vanderjerk's comment from 2003...

Does Peyton need to alter his "style" dunno, but would make an offseason of work on footwork, and maybe Indy using a "moving pocket" at times help? Believe it or not, Drew Bledsoe is actually faster then Tom Brady (speed and release) the difference is, Brady has great footwork which makes him "look fast".

Just seems when they get beat, it's always by Blitzing teams or teams that jamn the WR's and throw off the timing patterns... Every year they hit the playoffs and this happens, they have to do something... They have such a great team... They should be in a super bowl.... I still think it falls back on coaching... these guys have the tools, there is something the coach just isn't getting out of them, or a situation they're not putting them in.