NFL 2005 Season Thread

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Joey RoXer The Broncos may not be overrated, they just make me angry. Why is it that not one god damn team in the NFL can figure out a play to stop the bootleg. I swear, Jake bootlegs like a million times every game and it always gets them. It's like the defense just stops in their tracks with their jaws wide open and go "OMG WTF a bootleg? WHAT DO WE DOOO?!?!!111" You'd think of the 11 athletes on the field and the brains of the coordinaters and coaches that SOMEONE would figure out just one play to prevent it. It just pisses me off is all.

"Stay your lanes" is the best way to defend it and how the team's who handle success... you don't pressure him and allow him to run and you don't pull off your coverage and allow him to throw over you.

Typically what happens is one guy will apply pressure before the other is in position to contain.

Stat that I just found out about that really hurts...

Denver had something like under 30yds on 24 points... Ugh... I say again, I would have rathered a 48-7 blow out then to lose this way.

Last 10 playoff games 6 turnovers, 11th game 5 turnovers.

[RP]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Hey RP, Just wondering how the reaction/press is in Indy vs. nationally. Nationally 2 people are getting it hard. 1) Vanderjerk, because this isn't the first time he's missed a "key kick" and this was in a dome. 2) Manning, not for his play, but his comments after the game about the OL. http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...adlines-sports I dunno, just seems to me like he hung his OL out to dry on that one, that's a comment I'd expect from Dan Marino, and didn't expect that from Manning personally. and how's Johnny Walker Black work for ya? (got a bottle as a holiday gift I haven't cracked yet).

Stupid comment, but mostly true. There were way too many leaks in the O line. Blitzing or not blitzing. People that should have been picked up, werent getting picked up. Manning is tired of losing and he's tired of hearing about it. When you stick a mic in the guys face after a game like that and ask him the same questions he's been asked for 5 years. Frustration is bound to seep out. He played horrible for most of the game and it bit him in the ass. For some reason he cant get us to the superbowl. I trust eventually we'll get there, but its just so damn frustrating.

As for our kicker. He's a fucking douche.

[The Miz]

lol as soon as CBS flashed the "Vanderjagt is perfect on kicks at home" graphic I knew he was going to miss

[FearedSanctity]

lol, same thing with Vinatieri

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by The Miz lol as soon as CBS flashed the "Vanderjagt is perfect on kicks at home" graphic I knew he was going to miss

Steve Deossie is on Radio/TV around here and he said he was on the phone with Matt Bahr when Vender was getting ready to kick and Bahr said something like "something's wrong, his mechanices are off, he wont hit this" and well, we know what happened.

Interesting that another (former) kicker knew just by him lineing up that there was a problem (or just a lucky guess).

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder Stupid comment, but mostly true. There were way too many leaks in the O line. Blitzing or not blitzing. People that should have been picked up, werent getting picked up. Manning is tired of losing and he's tired of hearing about it. When you stick a mic in the guys face after a game like that and ask him the same questions he's been asked for 5 years. Frustration is bound to seep out. He played horrible for most of the game and it bit him in the ass. For some reason he cant get us to the superbowl. I trust eventually we'll get there, but its just so damn frustrating. As for our kicker. He's a fucking douche.

Yeah, I heard it many times and read it, but finally saw it tonight.

I think what he meant to say was the "blocking schemes" was an issue, It would be difficult to argue that the Colts don't have a good OL, I think the issue was they weren't properly prepared for the Blitz pakacges of Pitssburg.

So, there's already talk that w/o the Pats going for a 3-peat or Manning going for his first, that the networks aren't happy and that Ad rates are going down.

I'll watch no matter what, normally do, and I just want a good game.

Neck, Stl v. Tennese came down to the last play!

If I have to root for a team now it's Carolina, the only reason I'd like to see Pittsburg win is for Bettis to get a ring, in his last game, in his home town... Although, him doing his little celebration talk/bobing head act after a 1yd gain gets a little tiring.

[VonErich Lives]

So, what does everyone think about the end of the Chicago/Carolina game?

PTI was arguing tonight, one felt it was a cheap shot move and attempt to injur Delhome and someone else felt it was a "last ditch try anything to win" type move.

I'm suprised we've never seen it tried before and it almost worked, he did fumble. I wonder how many copycats we'll see next season.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Seattle FTW!


Seriously, I'm all for the Seahawks, my number one team. Go Seattle!


(I hope Alexander plays the NFC Championship game. )

[The Miz]

Originally Posted by Joey RoXer I just feel that the Seahawks, above all other teams, are a product of their schedule. Of the 13 wins, maybe 5 are legit. They went 6-0 in their division? Well then thats got to mean they're Super Bowl bound. To take on the powerhouse Cardinals and 49ers four times in a season, that tells you this team is destined for the championship. The Rams are the only team to pose a type of a threat but they were below .500 also and didn't impress either. But don't stop the presses just yet, because the Seahawks also played the Titans, Texans, and Eagles. This "incredible offense" of the Seattle had 4 more net yards than the Eagles while most of their TDs came from picking the future Hall of Famer, Mike McMahon. They just barely squeaked by the Giants. In my opinion, New York outplayed them in just about every way. They even had a zillion false starts, and still managed to put up a fight. Feely just fucked it up. True, they also beat the Colts. The Colts were without Marvin Harrison, Bob Sanders, and Cato June. Manning only played a quarter. They did already clinch home-field. BUT WHOS COUNTING. That leaves the Falcons and the Cowboys. At the time, the Falcons wern't terrible and Seattle did a pretty good job the first half. Almost blew it in the second half though. They just barely edged out the Cowboys in that final drive too. Should the Seahawks be a playoff team? Probably. Should they be a number 1 seed? Probably not. In my opinion, I haven't been impressed with them all season. And I know The Miz is going to shoot me down and give me sats and analysis, but don't bother because I don't care. I don't want to get into a Miz-Vel/RP-Vel/whatever type of arguement that goes on forever. They just haven't impressed me and thats why.

I don't know if you noticed, but the NFL had a ton of shitty teams this year. No one had that tough of a schedule, especially NFC teams. The Seahawks beat the teams they should've.

If you take this post and replace the word Seahawks with Panthers it makes perfect sense. Carolina beat New England, great. And who else? Tampa Bay? Minnesota? Uh... Arizona? Their schedule was equally as crappy as the Seahawks', but with a few exceptions they beat the teams they should've. Why aren't you calling them overrated?

I've heard alot of NFL commentators talk about the Seahawks, and 99% of them mention the easy schedule. I don't see how you can say they're overrated when every single person points this out. Every single team in the NFC had an easy schedule, because the NFC is shit.

I think Seattle and Carolina have proven all year long they are the two best teams in the NFC and I'm glad they're facing off. I like our chances; we've been playing well at home, Hasselbeck and Jackson are on fire, we're completely healthy, and we're much less nervous now that the monkey is off our back. Carolina is missing their top 2 running backs as well as possibly their best lineman. I still think they have a great shot, Delhomme and Smith are playing good enough to overcome the running game, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they return to the SuperBowl.

[RoXer]

Miz, is Shawn Alexander gay? I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, but everytime he interviews with the media he comes off as being a "fayg". His word choice and speaking style is kinda gayish. And when he jumped up and down and clapped when Seattle got a touchdown, that was kinda gay too. I even tried to do a search for his bio to see ih hes married, but I can't find anything. He's still the man though if he is or isn't.

[The Miz]

His has a wife and two daughters, but that doesn't make him not gay. I doubt it though. He's just a really white black guy. If he was gay there's no way he would come out before retiring.

[RoXer]

I seriously wish I had the technology to make .gif of him jumping up and down and clapping.

[The Miz]

Sean Locklear, our starting RG, just got jailed for domestic violence. Great timing, retard. He'd played great all year too.

[Gonzo]

Yeah bonehead move.

[OssMan]

Originally Posted by Joey RoXer I seriously wish I had the technology to make .gif of him jumping up and down and clapping.

there is one on the giants board, gonna find it

[The Miz]

Pats D-coordinator Mangini accepts Jets head coaching job

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by The Miz I don't know if you noticed, but the NFL had a ton of shitty teams this year. No one had that tough of a schedule, especially NFC teams. The Seahawks beat the teams they should've. If you take this post and replace the word Seahawks with Panthers it makes perfect sense. Carolina beat New England, great. And who else? Tampa Bay? Minnesota? Uh... Arizona? Their schedule was equally as crappy as the Seahawks', but with a few exceptions they beat the teams they should've. Why aren't you calling them overrated? I've heard alot of NFL commentators talk about the Seahawks, and 99% of them mention the easy schedule. I don't see how you can say they're overrated when every single person points this out. Every single team in the NFC had an easy schedule, because the NFC is shit. I think Seattle and Carolina have proven all year long they are the two best teams in the NFC and I'm glad they're facing off. I like our chances; we've been playing well at home, Hasselbeck and Jackson are on fire, we're completely healthy, and we're much less nervous now that the monkey is off our back. Carolina is missing their top 2 running backs as well as possibly their best lineman. I still think they have a great shot, Delhomme and Smith are playing good enough to overcome the running game, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they return to the SuperBowl.

Panthers injuries aside (next year they'll be fine, let Deshaun and Davis go and draft someone who is durable), maybe they didn't do that hot during the regular season, when it comes to good teams... but I'll tell you what:

At Meadowlands, pitching a shutout, and then going back to Chicago to lead like, the whole game... The regular season is when good teams win... like the Colts. The postseason is when great teams win... which is why I was so dumbfounded by the Pats losing. That was just absurd. I think it's just time. Like with the Lakers... they've probably just lost enough of a step. And enough coaches.

Mangina.

[D Mac]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder Stupid comment, but mostly true. There were way too many leaks in the O line. Blitzing or not blitzing. People that should have been picked up, werent getting picked up. Manning is tired of losing and he's tired of hearing about it. When you stick a mic in the guys face after a game like that and ask him the same questions he's been asked for 5 years. Frustration is bound to seep out. He played horrible for most of the game and it bit him in the ass. For some reason he cant get us to the superbowl. I trust eventually we'll get there, but its just so damn frustrating. As for our kicker. He's a fucking douche.

"Here we are," Manning said. "I'm out at my third Pro Bowl, I'm about to go in and throw a touchdown to Jerry Rice, we're honoring the Hall of Fame, and we're talking about our idiot kicker who got liquored up and ran his mouth off.

"The sad thing is, he's a good kicker. He's a good kicker. But he's an idiot."

[AlphaBean]

LOL I love when people talk at the Pro Bowl. i.e. Culpepper, who pissed Moss off.

But on the other hand, what was it exactly that VanJagerMeister said last year? Something about mental toughness and clutch?

Either way, I think he forgot exactly what it was he had said...

[D Mac]

KIRKLAND, Wash. (AP) -- Shaun Alexander was feeling "loopy" on Saturday.

By Monday, the NFL rushing leader was back in the loop for the Seattle Seahawks as they prepare for the NFC championship game against the Carolina Panthers.

Two days after a concussion knocked Alexander out of Seattle's playoff win over Washington, Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren said he expects doctors to clear the star running back for practice Wednesday.

[RP]

loopy

[D Mac]

Originally Posted by AlphaBean LOL I love when people talk at the Pro Bowl. i.e. Culpepper, who pissed Moss off. But on the other hand, what was it exactly that VanJagerMeister said last year? Something about mental toughness and clutch? Either way, I think he forgot exactly what it was he had said...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2003/0129/1500575.html

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by The Miz Sean Locklear, our starting RG, just got jailed for domestic violence. Great timing, retard. He'd played great all year too.

Is there really such a thing as "good timing" for domestic violence?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Just before a playoff game if you're Nick Harper

[The Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Joey RoXer Miz, is Shawn Alexander gay? I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, but everytime he interviews with the media he comes off as being a "fayg". His word choice and speaking style is kinda gayish. And when he jumped up and down and clapped when Seattle got a touchdown, that was kinda gay too. I even tried to do a search for his bio to see ih hes married, but I can't find anything. He's still the man though if he is or isn't.

M-V-P

[RP]

Originally Posted by Mr. Monday Morning Just before a playoff game if you're Nick Harper

Yah he played a hell of a game. If he would have killed the bitch, the guy would have scored 3 defensive td's.

[The Outlaw]

Also, Joey Porter is a joke.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by Diesel Mac http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2003/0129/1500575.html

"Peyton and Tony are basically the same guy. They work hard, they mark their Xs and Os and go out and execute. If it doesn't happen, there's nothing we can do about it.''


...he nailed it. He and Joey Porter probably talked before the game.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by AlphaBean "Peyton and Tony are basically the same guy. They work hard, they mark their Xs and Os and go out and execute. If it doesn't happen, there's nothing we can do about it.'' ...he nailed it. He and Joey Porter probably talked before the game.

They were talking about this today, that when Dungy was away from the team and the players were talking about them, they said "he never raises his voice" or something to that effect.

How many NFL coaches can you probably find that don't ever yell at their players?

I dunno, the more I look at this the more I put the blame with Dungy, some people are blaming Manning saying he runs the offense and calls his audible and blocking and should have read things better, well, if you're the Head Coach and you're QB isn't getting more then 2 seconds to throw the ball all half, then it's your job as coach (OL dircted by OC directed by HC) to do something about it!

Is there something about Dungy's coaching or style that just doesn't work in the playoffs?

I guess if I was a Colts fan, I'd blame dungy... but my guess is they'll make Vanderjerk the scape goat (not that that's a bad thing).

and just for equal time.

The Pats, I get to spread the blame...

I can't blame Belicheck for Faulk

I might question Hobbs being back their a little, Dwight had done well, but Hobbs it wasn't Hobbs first return of the year.

Troy Brown was the right person to be there, the question is was it Belicheck or Brad Seealy who decided to rush an extra player, forcing Brown to cover the gunner incase of a fake and then rush back to get in position to catch the ball?

Ashworth misses a block, Brady gets pressure and throw the ball pretty much right to Champ Bailey.

ugh,,, it's really going to hit me the seasons over this weekend watching the Confrence Championship games.

[The Outlaw]

Yes, Peyton Manning should alter his style of playing since it hasn't worked at all for him. Nice observation.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by The Outlaw Yes, Peyton Manning should alter his style of playing since it hasn't worked at all for him. Nice observation.

Not sure if you're responding to Me, Bean or Vanderjerk's comment from 2003...

Does Peyton need to alter his "style" dunno, but would make an offseason of work on footwork, and maybe Indy using a "moving pocket" at times help? Believe it or not, Drew Bledsoe is actually faster then Tom Brady (speed and release) the difference is, Brady has great footwork which makes him "look fast".

Just seems when they get beat, it's always by Blitzing teams or teams that jamn the WR's and throw off the timing patterns... Every year they hit the playoffs and this happens, they have to do something... They have such a great team... They should be in a super bowl.... I still think it falls back on coaching... these guys have the tools, there is something the coach just isn't getting out of them, or a situation they're not putting them in.

[VonErich Lives]

So, watched NFL network tonight and they had the head of the refs on... and he broke down all the stuff from this weekend.

On the Palo INT, he blamed himself and the rule not being clear, the rule says must maintain possesion after hitting the ground, but no rules were ever set as to how long after hitting the ground and if once a player tries to get up does that count as already hitting the ground. He said they released the statment because they want to make sure the call doesn't get blown again and would clarify in the offseason.

The Champ fumble, went through every angle and none of them you can tell 100%, so because of that you can't change a call and there was no ref in position simply because there are very few refs (or none) that could keep up with Champ Bailey for a 100yds dash.

The Pass Interferance on Samuel, the line judge didn't have "the angle" that the back judge did and he showed the angle of view, and the backjudge was the proper person to make the call. The contact started at the 10, both players looking at the ball, near the end, smuels head turns from the ball, but also isn't faceing the WR (this is when he got pushes by lelie). Anyway, I still think it was a crap call, but nice to see why/how they called it.

The Peyton Manning non-saftey, fwd progress is the most fwd point when contact is made and at that point mannings feet, and the ball are not in the endzone.

The no-call (indy/pitt) he hates a "dead play" but he said there was no contact and they went through the replay and you couldn't see what was definite contact, so they had no choice but to call it a dead play since a whistle blew (that shouldn't have).

Chicago, the ball snap after the play clock expired, the back judge watched the clock, when it hits 0, he then is to "look for the ball" which means they actually get at least an extra second. He went on to say that they have many plays every year that the ball is snaped after the clock expired because it takes time for the back judge to locate the ball after moving his view from the play clock...

I dunno, just interesting to get the break downs.

[D Mac]

Vanderjerk's contract has expired. Think the Colts will resign?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Originally Posted by The Outlaw Also, Joey Porter is a joke.

How is he a joke? He beasted Manning twice in the final minutes of the game, plus various other times through out the game. Any other QB other then Manning throwing that pass and having that samething happen would be called an INT, I would put money on it. The NFL has been handing it to the Colts for a while now and they haven't gotten it done. "Re-enforcing" the touch fouls on DBs/WRs..who does that help? The Colts. It's kinda funny how that is "reienforcement" was put into place after the Colts' Wideouts where roughed up in the playoffs. Now, I don't think the NFL is giving the Colts a huge advantage, but they are definetly trying to help them out a lot. Manning is the real joke, he tried to blame it on his O-Line but look at that last drive before the field goal. 2 and 2 he goes deep into the endzone - that's okay but Dallas Clark was wide open in the flat, prob woulda got 10 plus. 3 and 2 he goes deep again, and throws an awful pass that was almost picked off. Once again another man was open for a dump off, this time it was Edge coming out of the backfield. Sure, 46 yard fieldgoal should be automatic for a guy like Vanderjek (sp?) but wouldn't rather see it as a 36 year field goal? or a 26 yard field goal?

And on Shaun Alexander, I think hes still got something to prove. I've never seen a guy with a concussion jumping up and down eating sunflower seeds before. He wasn't even hit that hard either. Good luck againest the Panthers, Dan Morgan is a sick motherfucker and they are all going to be gunning for Alexander because he came off extremely soft after the Redskins game.

I don't even wanna talk about the Pats game either, I was all fired up about the horrible pass interference call but then Brady threw a 100 yard INT, Troy Brown fumbled and Vinteri missed a field goal. I just knew it wasn't in the cards for the Patrtiots. Al Wilson looked really impressive in the game, he's really stepped his game up. It will be interesting to see what happens next season.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

also LOL@Patriot haters

Patriots > Your favorite team

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hearing New England fans complain about the refs giving the Colts special treatment makes about as much sense as the Yankees complaining about the Devil Rays spending too much on player salaries.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

How do you figure? The 5 yard contact "re-enforcement" rule was put into place after Patriots defensive backs and linebackers where "roughing up" TEs and WRs.

[The Outlaw]

Originally Posted by sTiMa34 How is he a joke? He beasted Manning twice in the final minutes of the game, plus various other times through out the game. Any other QB other then Manning throwing that pass and having that samething happen would be called an INT, I would put money on it. The NFL has been handing it to the Colts for a while now and they haven't gotten it done. "Re-enforcing" the touch fouls on DBs/WRs..who does that help? The Colts. It's kinda funny how that is "reienforcement" was put into place after the Colts' Wideouts where roughed up in the playoffs. Now, I don't think the NFL is giving the Colts a huge advantage, but they are definetly trying to help them out a lot. Manning is the real joke, he tried to blame it on his O-Line but look at that last drive before the field goal. 2 and 2 he goes deep into the endzone - that's okay but Dallas Clark was wide open in the flat, prob woulda got 10 plus. 3 and 2 he goes deep again, and throws an awful pass that was almost picked off. Once again another man was open for a dump off, this time it was Edge coming out of the backfield. Sure, 46 yard fieldgoal should be automatic for a guy like Vanderjek (sp?) but wouldn't rather see it as a 36 year field goal? or a 26 yard field goal? And on Shaun Alexander, I think hes still got something to prove. I've never seen a guy with a concussion jumping up and down eating sunflower seeds before. He wasn't even hit that hard either. Good luck againest the Panthers, Dan Morgan is a sick motherfucker and they are all going to be gunning for Alexander because he came off extremely soft after the Redskins game. I don't even wanna talk about the Pats game either, I was all fired up about the horrible pass interference call but then Brady threw a 100 yard INT, Troy Brown fumbled and Vinteri missed a field goal. I just knew it wasn't in the cards for the Patrtiots. Al Wilson looked really impressive in the game, he's really stepped his game up. It will be interesting to see what happens next season.

He insinuated that the front office manipulated games, he said everyone wanted the Colts to win even the higher ups, he's a freaking joke and that is one of the most absurd things I have heard. They got a call wrong, was it an INT? Well yeah. Did he not see the game up untill that point or was he too busy running his mouth? Did he not remember the Steelers having it 4th and inches and getting a false start call and it mysteriously NOT being a penalty on either side although the refs blew the play dead, only to go on and make the first down (which was a pretty significant sequence of events)? When at the start of the game the exact thing happened on the opposite side of the ball (except the Colts lineman actually didn't move untill the man was basically in the backfield) and it was called on the offense? Yeah, Porter is a beast and can play but he is a joke. The 5 yard illegal contact call is only beneficial for the Colts? No sir, afraid not. Yeah, Peyton probably should not have said what he said but he was right. This was the first time this year the OL hasn't gotten the job done. I don't even think he was blaming his OL, I took it as he meant they had blocking schemes, assignments, etc. wrong. Not saying "These guys didn't block for shit" but rather saying "We didn't have our assignments down, our schemes didn't fit, etc." Again, just how I took it.

It doesn't take a hard hit to get a concussion. And whenever you do have one (whether it's a slight concussion or a more severe), you shouldn't be inserted back into the game. Concussions aren't something to take lightly. If I had to guess, he had a slight concussion and they were just playing it safe. What else does he have to prove? 89 rushing touchdowns, 11 receiving, 5 consecutive seasons with 1000+ yards, has missed one start since the '02 season, good with the football, sure hands, best RB in the NFL. What exactly does he have to prove? That he can win a Super Bowl? In due time.

[The Miz]

Originally Posted by sTiMa34 also LOL@Patriot haters Patriots > Your favorite team

What if your favorite team is the Broncos?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Originally Posted by The Outlaw It doesn't take a hard hit to get a concussion. And whenever you do have one (whether it's a slight concussion or a more severe), you shouldn't be inserted back into the game. Concussions aren't something to take lightly. If I had to guess, he had a slight concussion and they were just playing it safe. What else does he have to prove? 89 rushing touchdowns, 11 receiving, 5 consecutive seasons with 1000+ yards, has missed one start since the '02 season, good with the football, sure hands, best RB in the NFL. What exactly does he have to prove? That he can win a Super Bowl? In due time.

That he can run for 50 yards or more in a playoff game would be a start. Also fumbling without being touched isn't much of a good thing.