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Old 10-28-2008, 05:49 PM   #1
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Old 10-28-2008, 05:50 PM   #2
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Rob, you're being stupid. I think Kimbo is the shits. What are you even argueing with me about?
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Rob, you're being stupid. I think Kimbo is the shits. What are you even argueing with me about?
I'm being stupid eh? Okay dude.
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Old 10-28-2008, 05:53 PM   #4
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You seem to be the only one arguing.. I mean, you said something stupid and got called out on it.. Instead of either being like, "my bad" or just walking away you started calling people names and you told me to go play Madden..

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So, go play madden?

I didn't say anything stupid at all. You're just trying to overanalyze shit. I just said people win/people lose, it's the way the sport goes. You aren't terrible if you lose a fight. That's logic. Just tired of hearing the whole "Kimbo sucks and he'll never be good ever because he lost to a trained MMA fighter". Give the guy a fucking break. They marketed the fuck out of im to a point where nobody is going to live up to that hype. A loss doesn't mean he sould just give it all up.
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He'll never be good because he is too old, fights people who are paid to fight to his strengths and because he was just humbled in the biggest fight of his life.

Done and done.

And I mean done.
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He'll never be good because he is too old, fights people who are paid to fight to his strengths and because he was just humbled in the biggest fight of his life.

Done and done.

And I mean done.
thats a really dumb way of thinking. You dont stop learning just because you reach a certain age. The only thing that can hold a healthy person back from excelling at anything if simply how hard they want to work at it. Now I dont know how hard he works, but one would think that training with Bas would mean hes working hard.

Now I know you all flamed narcissus for compairing Kimbo to credited UFC fighters, but look at randy. Yes he was already good and has beaten lots of good people. But has he not gotten better and better the older he has gotten? He started out as old as Kimbo too. He was just a wrestler. He was good in the HWT division then got beat a couple times. Continued to work and refine his game. Then he dropped to LHW. did good and lost and refined his game. Came back at HWT and won the title. He even says that hes better now then he was when he was older.

Now Im not saying Kimbo is like Randy or anything like that, but the parrallels are there. Im not saying one day Kimbo will be at the level that randy is, but if he works hard enough, he could be pretty damn good one day.

I dont really like Kimbo as a fighter at all, but to knock a guy for going out there the way dana has been is pretty stupid.
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And lol btw at EliteXC doing that. Seth Petrezelli has a record of 10 wins and 4 losses. 9 of his ten wins were by TKO. Prolly would've been a longer fight if they just let him take him down.
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I never said purely because he is old did I? It's a factor though. As is not fighting legit MMA fighters, fixing terms of a fight and having the chin of a 14 year old. Randy Couture was a world class wrestler before fighting in the UFC and by the time of his 205lbs comeback, he was already a world champion twice. Hardly the same.
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He'll never be good because he is too old, fights people who are paid to fight to his strengths and because he was just humbled in the biggest fight of his life.

Done and done.

And I mean done.
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I never said purely because he is old did I? It's a factor though. As is not fighting legit MMA fighters, fixing terms of a fight and having the chin of a 14 year old. Randy Couture was a world class wrestler before fighting in the UFC and by the time of his 205lbs comeback, he was already a world champion twice. Hardly the same.
the other two reasons that you gave wont affect whether or not he could grow as an actual fighter with skill.

I didnt say they were the same at all, in fact i reiterated that a couple times. However in terms of starting mma in your 30s and being skilled in only one facet of fighting when they start, they share a common story. I said kimbo will probably never come close to randy's level, but i also said that doesnt mean kimbo cant be a good fighter.
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the other two reasons that you gave wont affect whether or not he could grow as an actual fighter with skill.

I didnt say they were the same at all, in fact i reiterated that a couple times. However in terms of starting mma in your 30s and being skilled in only one facet of fighting when they start, they share a common story. I said kimbo will probably never come close to randy's level, but i also said that doesnt mean kimbo cant be a good fighter.
If your having fights that never go to the ground and never have any muay thai, you aren't learning to fight against those styles and thus not evolving as a fighter. And when you are having stand up kick boxing fights and have a weak chin, you have no hope. Both of those reasons are very much reasons for not growing as a fighter.

Come on now, you'd know better than anyone. How happy would you be fighting against guys who were told to keep it standing with you and not to use any muay thai because you hadn't trained for it? Are you seriously telling me that if you were in his shoes, you could grow as a fighter? Fuck I only do BJJ now but I've I wasn't rolling with guys better than me, I'd never learn the sport.
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I think the fight being fixed was more of an EliteXC decision than anything else. Protecting their investement. I actually doubt that Kimbo had much to do with that decision at all. Could be wrong, dunno.
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Doesn't matter if it was in on it, knew about it or didn't. The fact is he fought 2 guys who were paid to keep the fight standing.
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Who was the other guy? As I remember, the guy he fought before Petrezelli took him to the ground a few times. The big brit guy.
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James Thompson. And he was asked and paid to keep it standing. That's why he hasn't been seen since.
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I don't think Kimbo really wants to be a good fighter though.

He doesn't have the drive for it.
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your assuming he doesnt train for those at all. I cant believe that is the case if hes training under bas. When it comes to his opponents and how they are told to fight him, id assume he had nothing to do with the promoter doing that, but yes you can grow with that especially if your a fighter that doesnt know much. First it gives you successful ring time which is huge in a fighters head, then it gives him time to work his game. For example, he could have taken them down if he wanted. Its like moving up a ladder of difficulty.

For me I wouldnt want that starting my career off, but realistically you would get better if you used the opportunity to develop your game and impose your will onto people.

I cant believe that petrozelli or whatever his name is, hits harder than thompson and thompson hit kimbo a lot and never got him in trouble in terms of knocking him out. You cant say someone has a weak chin off of one freak knock out.
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I'm not assuming he hadn't trained for wrestling or muay thai. They told Seth he hadn't trained for muay thai and obviously his wrestling is the shits or he wouldn't be fighting stand up only.

I don't think Petrazelli hits harder than James Thompson though. Thompson has some serious wins on his record. I nearly cried after the Don Frye fight it was so brutal.
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Although he was winning the fight before Cote’s injury in the third round, the UFC middleweight champion was booed by fans for his evasive strategy and later he was even criticized by some for “disrespecting” his opponent.

“There are many people saying I was disrespecting Cote, but this is absolutely not true,” Silva told Sherdog.com. “My game plan since the beginning was fight five rounds, inducing him to commit mistakes and capitalize on that during the first three rounds and look for the knockout during the fourth and fifth rounds. It was working, and the biggest proof of that is that I almost didn’t waste any blows. I connected with a couple of good punches and knees, but unfortunately he got hurt and the fight was over. This is not my fault.”

Asked about a possible rematch with Cote, Silva left it to UFC President Dana White, who was openly baffled by the Brazilian’s performance.

“If Dana White believes [Cote] deserves it,” Silva said, “I’ll be ready.”

Silva also said he had not heard the rumor of a possible meeting with Chuck Liddell at 205 pounds.

“Thank you for the information, I didn’t know about that,” he told Sherdog.com. “Let’s see what [Dana White] will say.

In the meantime, Silva, now 8-0 in the Octagon, is planning a vacation.

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He apparently asked to be put on the November show today.
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Yeah, he said he wanted to fight again ASAP..
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It's true he asked but he isn't fighting on the show because Dana White said no as they don't have a fight for him. They are looking at February, probably at 205lbs against Liddell, possibly in London.
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I wish they let him fight Lyoda Machida so that boring fuck will stop being mentioned in the LW title talks..
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theyre from the same camp... its not gonna happen
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Are they still? People have mentioned that fight down the line still.
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They were a couple months ago... and anderson said in an interview around then that he wasnt looking for the title at lhw because he wants his friend lyoto to have it.
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They'd fight for enough money.
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Are you not a fan of is evasiveness?
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Old 10-29-2008, 09:40 PM   #31
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He is boring as fuck.. I know where you are going with this BTW.. Silva pretty much pulled a Machida against Cote, but Silva has KO'd plenty of guys and had many many exciting matches.. Look at the reaction to his one Machida-like match..

Awful..
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Naw, I wasn't even gonna bring up. Silva doesn't have to prove anything to anybody, I've seen enough of his fights to know that he isn't anybody to fuck with. I was going to bring up Bisping's performance the other day against Leben. Reminded me alot of Machida's stick and move style. I don't like it either. To me, anybody that is constantly backing up should have points deducted. Pretty boring, whether it is effective or not.
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Naw, I wasn't even gonna bring up. Silva doesn't have to prove anything to anybody, I've seen enough of his fights to know that he isn't anybody to fuck with. I was going to bring up Bisping's performance the other day against Leben. Reminded me alot of Machida's stick and move style. I don't like it either. To me, anybody that is constantly backing up should have points deducted. Pretty boring, whether it is effective or not.
Are you saying being entertaining should be one of the criteria of which a fight is judged?
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Are you saying being entertaining should be one of the criteria of which a fight is judged?
No, not at all. However, I'm not exactly sure how one can come off looking dominant while backpeddling the entire time.
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No, not at all. However, I'm not exactly sure how one can come off looking dominant while backpeddling the entire time.
Sticking and moving as been sound fighting strategy forever. You are dumb.
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Well, ring control is part of the 10 point must..

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Landing more strikes?? Doing more damage??
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I guess I understand it, just particularly not a style that I enjoy watching.
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I did say Silva was just looking for someone to actually try and fight him, get some actual time in the cage.

I think at this rate, Anderson will be at the end of his UFC deal before next Summer, and with the unpredictability of top names at the moment, Dana is going to start spreading his fights out a little more. I would think about trying to get him on the Dec card though.
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They already have 3 huge fights on the December show.
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