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Old 02-28-2011, 11:36 PM   #1
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This Raw went down the tubes as soon Michael Cole came back on.
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:40 PM   #2
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Aaaaaaaand then miz delivers a skull crushing finale to cena to end the show for the second week in a row.

That kind of negates any gay jokes cena makes, at least in my eyes.
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:42 PM   #3
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Aaaaaaaand then miz delivers a skull crushing finale to cena to end the show for the second week in a row.

That kind of negates any gay jokes cena makes, at least in my eyes.
It helps with the sting, I don't think it negates.
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:47 PM   #4
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It helps with the sting, I don't think it negates.
Actions speak louder than words, and Miz has gotten the better of Cena two weeks in a row now. As far as I'm concerned, Miz looks stronger now, than he's ever been.
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So, can anyone give me a logical explanation as to why the WWE abandoned the past 18 months of growth they tried to give their roster? Is it due to their Q4 earnings? Because what they've done thus far in 2011 is god awful, something you'd see inferior organizations like WCW would do.

They bring in an entire new crop of wrestlers that they put their time and money into making us believe could compete with the John Cena's and Undertaker's of the world. And they did a pretty darn good job at it.

Now? They've managed to destroy almost all of it and I just cannot understand why. And it's a shame because I'm a fan they lost due to having the same four or five main events for what seemed like five or six years. They brought me in with new refreshing characters, but now I don't even see a point to watch when all they are doing is sending them down to WWE Superstars.

Raw:

The Good:

The Miz: Maybe the ONLY success story on the show now which is really sad considering the landscape of the show a few months ago.

John Morrison: I guess it's considered in the "good" category, but now he's got no one to feud with after being given a whopping ONE WEEK run as #1 contender.

The Bad:

Sheamus: He's gone from a WWE Champion, to a perennial contender winning King of the Ring to an absolute jobber. He was over as a credible heel, but it will take months of image repair to what they've done to him even in the past two weeks.

Daniel Bryan: Has never even been given a chance to shine. Has held the US Title since the fall but has never been given anyone to feud with. Had one good match against the Miz that just went down the drain being jumped for no reason tonight. Holds a title with no feud for WM.

Ted DiBiase: Went from a major member of a group to being maybe the biggest jobber on Raw, losing a feud to Goldust.

Nexus: Took the hottest group and feud of 2010, and pissed it all away within two weeks and now is an absolute mess and is dragging their top heel in CM Punk along with it.

The Hart Foundation: They were maybe the only over tag team in the WWE and decided to break it up. And they managed to make BOTH guys Marty Jannety as DH Smith is off TV and Tyson Kidd had a grand two week heel run.

Smackdown:

The good:

Alberto Del Rio: They seem to be in love with ADR and I can't see him losing to Edge here.

Cody Rhodes: He looked like the odd man out after WrestleMania last year, but now he's done really well with his opportunity.

Dolph Ziggler: The guy got a good push and is being paired with a heel machine in Vickie.

The Bad:

Wade Barrett: Part of the Nexus debacle. The guy was maybe the top heel in the WWE and they've absolutely destroyed his push. He's now at best going to have a meaningless match with the Big Show.

Drew McIntyre: Pushed to the moon at first, was pretty over and showed potential. He's now stuck in some crummy feud with Kelly Kelly in the middle of it.

Jack Swagger: From #1 contender for the WWE Title, to a champion, to being Michael Cole's side kick in one year.

Kofi Kingston: The crowd loves him and his MSG moment with Orton got one of the loudest pops in the WWE in maybe the past five years (pales in comparison to say Rock a few weeks ago but still.) Today, he's an IC champion but is now nothing more than a jobber, and also has no one to feud with. On a side note, you gotta love the fact that neither mid-card champion has had ANY feuds in 2010.

Ezekiel Jackson: He kicked some ass a few months back, disappears, is repackaged to be some kind of monster, then becomes the muscle of a group that never wrestles.



With a youth movement going on, this was an opportunity to really show case them ESPECIALLY when you consider the fact you got HHH, Undertaker, Austin and the Rock all being involved in some fashion. Instead the vast majority is now completely buried.

We might as well just let Booker T and Diesel run all over then. Everyone else is now.
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:49 PM   #6
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I'm surprised that no one mentioned that HHH basically buried the whole locker room saying here were "no real challenges in the back"
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Dammit DaBrasko, I was getting to that.
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:53 PM   #8
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:52 PM   #9
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Needed more Rock, and less everybody else.
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I actually liked how they booked Miz tonight. I think he should definitely take pics and tweet them mid-match as a "thing". Kind of like how Rock used to get on headset and talk, but FOR THE AGE OF SOCIAL NETWORKING!
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I actually liked how they booked Miz tonight. I think he should definitely take pics and tweet them mid-match as a "thing". Kind of like how Rock used to get on headset and talk, but FOR THE AGE OF SOCIAL NETWORKING!
They definitely did some things right later with The Miz. I loved the picture taking and the actual tweeting
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Does anyone with ANY sort of knowledge have an explanation for their decision to pretty much kill the youth movement?

Were there new writers brought in? Any let go?

Were their earnings THAT bad?

I just don't understand who they can just completely destroy almost every wrestler they have built up since 2009.
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I would have found what he said upsetting on most nights, but when you consider the destruction of almost every wrestler out there with less than seven years in the business, it seems tame.

I can excuse it only because HHH and Taker are on a different level than anyone else on that roster now. To then destroy Sheamus 30 seconds later, and put away their feud like that? Inexcusable.

How bad is it for Sheamus? Remember when they had Santino get a fluke win over him and it was booked like it was some sort of miracle? At this point, Sheamus is probably lower on the totem poll than him at this point.
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I would have found what he said upsetting on most nights, but when you consider the destruction of almost every wrestler out there with less than seven years in the business, it seems tame.

I can excuse it only because HHH and Taker are on a different level than anyone else on that roster now. To then destroy Sheamus 30 seconds later, and put away their feud like that? Inexcusable.

How bad is it for Sheamus? Remember when they had Santino get a fluke win over him and it was booked like it was some sort of miracle? At this point, Sheamus is probably lower on the totem poll than him at this point.
I don't know. I think basically him saying there isn't anyone worth a damn in the back and him killing Shemus in 30 seconds both were bad. I would rather have HHH and Shemus not interact at all if Undertake and HHH is supposed to be HHH's last match. Killing Shemus that fast accomplished nothing. All I got from that segment was Shemus just injuring him was a fluke.
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you guys crack me up.
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There are like 5 weeks left until Mania, I'm pretty sure Miz will get the upper hand on Cena eventually.

Seems like some of you wont be happy until Cena is only wrestling dark matches and jobbing on Superstars.

He's the freaking face of the company going into the biggest event of the year, he's gonna win a match or two.
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There are like 5 weeks left until Mania, I'm pretty sure Miz will get the upper hand on Cena eventually.

Seems like some of you wont be happy until Cena is only wrestling dark matches and jobbing on Superstars.

He's the freaking face of the company going into the biggest event of the year, he's gonna win a match or two.
I have no problem with him winning, wtf. It was his promo that was the problem, it was just really bad.
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You complain about young guys not getting over and then you complain that Evan Bourne won.
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You complain about young guys not getting over and then you complain that Evan Bourne won.
Him squashing Shamus was kinda silly
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How was it silly? Sheamus was selling getting pedigreed through a table.

You weren't one of the people that complained when Cena no sold an RKO on the ground, were you?
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How was it silly? Sheamus was selling getting pedigreed through a table.

You weren't one of the people that complained when Cena no sold an RKO on the ground, were you?
The whole angle was silly,the pedigree to the match, it didn't do anything for Bourne and just buried Shamus
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How was it silly? Sheamus was selling getting pedigreed through a table.

You weren't one of the people that complained when Cena no sold an RKO on the ground, were you?
It's the fact that there was no reason to bury Sheamus a one time credible champion again.


You want Bourne to come back? Great. Have him take on some other middling like R-Truth or DiBiase who's already been sufficiently jobbed. Or here's an earth shattering idea, try to actaully have Daniel Bryan have a feud with someone!

I mean I can't get over how awful it all is. I mean who in their right mind now would care if Bryan feuds with Sheamus? Even prior to Elimination Chamber it'd look like a good feud of Sheamus, the #3 heel taking on Bryan. Now? They're just two jobbers.
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It was one burial right after another. I find myself echoing The Miz' sentiments. Really? Really? REALLY?

Did HHH REALLY have to basically say the entire roster sucks except for him and Taker?

Did Sheamus REALLY have to get his ass demolished without even getting to at least cut a promo and land a few punches?

Did Evan Bourne's return REALLY have to come against a guy who was already beat up and thus he gains nothing from it when there are plenty of low card heels (why hello there Ted DiBiase, William Regal, Zack Ryder, Tyson Kidd, and Primo) that could have jobbed and make the win look legitimate?

Did the United States champion REALLY have to be the one to get jumped by The Miz and again put up no offense when there were no shortage of jobber faces (why hello there Santino Marella, Vladimir Kozlov, Darren Young, Yoshi Tatsu, and David Hart Smith) to fill the role?

Just a fucking stupid night of booking. Even if they took the same general route it could have just been executed in such a way where so many guys didn't look stupid when they didn't have to.
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Cena's promo was bad, but if anything, it made miz look good, given that their promos were back to back and miz's were far better. Cena made himself look stupid and no one else, really.

Also, I have no problem with Triple A's comments, because what he said was basically true. What would beating John Cena and Orton accomplish? Sure they would be challenging matches, but he's already achieved victory. I think people just misinterpreted that. It's not that he was burying the locker room, he was saying he has already met the challenges that the rest of the locker room has to offer. Which he has.

Anyway, it was all said to add to the epic atmosphere of the match.

It wasn't a very entertaining raw, but I think people are overreacting a tad, to all this supposed "burying" going on.

OH GOD DANIEL BRYAN WAS ATTACKED FROM BEHIND BY THE WORLD CHAMPION! HIS CAREER IS OVER!
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Cena's promo was bad, but if anything, it made miz look good, given that their promos were back to back and miz's were far better. Cena made himself look stupid and no one else, really.

Also, I have no problem with Triple A's comments, because what he said was basically true. What would beating John Cena and Orton accomplish? Sure they would be challenging matches, but he's already achieved victory. I think people just misinterpreted that. It's not that he was burying the locker room, he was saying he has already met the challenges that the rest of the locker room has to offer. Which he has.

Anyway, it was all said to add to the epic atmosphere of the match.

It wasn't a very entertaining raw, but I think people are overreacting a tad, to all this supposed "burying" going on.



OH GOD DANIEL BRYAN WAS ATTACKED FROM BEHIND BY THE WORLD CHAMPION! HIS CAREER IS OVER!

There were so many different ways to put over Taker's streak as the last great thing to accomplish other than saying that their locker room sucked.
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Seriously they've only been feuding since the nXt days and Bryan was the one who beat Miz for the US in the first so place oh noes he's a jobber now just cuz he attacked from behind to probly help push him to the main event down the line REALLY?!? Overall I didn't think the show was all that bad other than the fact that it was crammed up with so many promos by major stars when rather than having some actual matches to help the buildup to WM even if they were predictibly booked. Let's face in Vinces eyes new young talent doesn't equal good buyrates and this is why we are seeing this sudden shift but once it's all said and done I foresee that the guys that were pushing a few months back other than ADR that is will be in the thick of things.
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The other thing I took from tonight was how desperately Cena needs an image makeover.

You have the Rock in a nice simple black shirt which is one thing. You then have Miz and Riley looking like a million bucks. And Cena is out there in his stale attire looking like a 12 year old punk kid in purple.

He just looked really lame to me tonight. And how long has he had that stupid purple shirt for. Would it kill them to market something new?
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I guarantee nobody in the arena took HHH's comments as seriously as TPWW.

"OMG, how will Daniel Bryan and David Otunga ever get over?>>>?" HHH said he was better than them!!!!!"
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:22 AM   #28
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For being so good to even great last few weeks I would be so pissed if I was in Buffalo and paid to watch that live. There was like someone already said 30 mins tops of actual wrestling with the rest either long boring promos or on tape promos.

Bout the only thing I saw good tonight was Miz being made to be strong. Hated had to squash Bryan to do it though.

The Sheamus thing confuses me a lot. Of course there are the rumors of Kevin Dunn not liking this guy but c'mon. Insane he went from Wrestling HHH at last Mania to now being buried by him. If anyone didn't need a rub going into Mania its HHH. So much for the Sheamus-Bryan feud I was hoping for meaning anything after last week.
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:25 AM   #29
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Look at the big picture here. They wanted to debut HHH and Taker right before Mania. If you bring either back before the Rumble or EC then the excitement goes away. There just isn't time to do a closure program with PPVs for Sheamus. Not that it even matters because there isn't any doubt that HHH would win after being gone for almost a year. So HHH kicks Sheamus in the balls and Pedigrees him on a table and now both men are free to go about their business. Sheamus does not need to think about going to TNA or anything right now.
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Sheamus does not need to think about going to TNA or anything right now.
You're probably right. But when you have a guy in the organization publically saying they don't like you, and in 2011 they book you from winning King of the Ring to jobbing clean to Mark Henry, you should be concerned.

They could have EASILY done something better. How about Sheamus coming out and they brawl for two minutes and the GM announces next week is a No DQ Falls Count Anywhere match between the two??

A 15 minute main event ensues, and you can have the same conclusion.


Sheamus looks strong in defeat, and HHH vanquishes his foe. Much better and nicer way to get BOTH over instead of Sheamus potentially booking a ticket of Superstar main events with William Regal and Yoshi Tatsu.
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:32 AM   #31
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Look at the big picture here.
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS A THOUSAND TIMES THIS

Ever since I started posting in here again I have noticed that almost every poster wants guys to be pushed to the fucking moon immediately, and any pause or delay in that push means they are getting "buried".

Honestly, I miss the days when having 3 championship reigns was an accomplishment, instead of like 7 in a year.
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THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS A THOUSAND TIMES THIS

Ever since I started posting in here again I have noticed that almost every poster wants guys to be pushed to the fucking moon immediately, and any pause or delay in that push means they are getting "buried".

Honestly, I miss the days when having 3 championship reigns was an accomplishment, instead of like 7 in a year.

I don't think we need people pushed to the moon. What I want is a return on my investment of getting into guys whom the WWE deemed appropriate of getting pushes for the past two years. I don't need these guys to be given title shots. But to book these guys so horribly after taking so much time to make us believe they're credible stars, really kills a lot of interest for me.
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:27 AM   #33
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He didn't say the locker room sucked ffs.

He said he had beaten everyone already.

And like it or not, Triple H and Taker ARE viewed as being on a higher level than the rest of the locker room. With Jericho and HBK gone, they are the last two veteran icons of the WWE. No matter how well you push younger talent, they won't be looked at in the same way by the fans as guys like HHH and Taker. There is too much history to their careers.

So even if you wanted to take what Triple H said the wrong way, the casual fans were probably already thinking it anyway.
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:35 AM   #34
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He didn't say the locker room sucked ffs.

He said he had beaten everyone already.
He didn't say that. He said, And I Quote: "there are no real challenges in the back"

Meaning that the guys in the back aren't even a challenge.

If he put it in the "I've beaten everyone" way, people wouldn't be making a big deal of it.
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:36 AM   #35
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He didn't say that. He said, And I Quote: "there are no real challenges in the back"

Meaning that the guys in the back aren't even a challenge.

If he put it in the "I've beaten everyone" way, people wouldn't be making a big deal of it.
And then he "proved it" by absolutely destroying Shamus
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What I just don't understand is - the Raw roster is fucking enormous. There are way more guys on the Raw undercard roster than they actually need. The great majority of them never even sniff the main show anymore unless it's a brief comedy segment. Why not put them to use and let them do something on the main show instead of feeding the guys who actually should be relevant to the wolves? It would protect the guys that should be protected and might actually remind the casual audience that some of those guys even exist.

Hell, look at JoMo. Morrison was nowhere to be seen tonight and I think a week off is a better alternative than being used in a filler segment that could have been filled by somebody low on the totem pole who will never be over. Instead he'll probably get a decent-length Superstars match and get to come back next week hopefully with something meaningful to do.
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The other thing I hated was HHH's delivery. After being away for almost a year, I was ready for this passionate speech and what I felt we got was some going through the motions crud.

To me, what I heard was "I'm glad to be back, blah blah blah...We all know I'm going to lose to Taker, but I'll make it sound good....blah blah blah blah, if I lose I'll die trying."
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On that topic I found it strange that he never acknowledged their previous encounter at WM17 and how close he was to defeating him then.
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