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Old 12-15-2004, 04:11 AM   #281
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I dont know VEL, thats the same kind of thing that I would be writing if we were talking about the Twins, its just really optimistic. If they end up getting a guy like Hudson and then another top name free agent (like Renteria), but just as of right now they don't look entirely in great shape. They had so many free agents that its hard to say what they are going to eventually be, but realistically David Wells isn't that good anymore, Derek Lowe was Bostons whipping boy all last season, and the odds of getting Hudson aren't real high, considering how many teams will go after him.

I am not just saying that in the sense that Boston isn't as good as last season, I also say that because I assume there will be more competition for the Wild Card. The Angels should have a big season, if they are consistant they will probably finish second to the Yankees. The AL Central is probably going to be pretty poor again, a close race but unlikely a WC team. But you can't count out the A's, because they always have a contending squad, and then you never know what the Orioles are going to do. The AL East is probably the most competitive division in the AL now, which also works against them. Tampa Bay is no longer a pushover and Toronto and Baltimore are going to fight a little bit more this season.

So obviously its still all up in the air, but until Boston completes some good deals I am going to predict the A's take the wildcard.
I hear ya, my key is what happens w/ Tek.

If the Sox re-sign Tek then they're really not much worse (if anything possible better) then last season.

They will sign someone for SS... They have a prospect that's supposed to be good, and there is talk they could move over Bill Milluer and put Youkilis at 3rd. I know Bill was a GG before his injury, but not sure about him at SS.

But yeah, the sox still have spots to fill and money to spend, I'll pass judgement all around when we get to training camps and see how teams shakeout.
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I'm really still not counting the Sox out on the Randy Johnson market. I would assume that they have more to offer then the Yanks, and with Pedro leaving it makes it even more neccessary.

The current deal: Javier to White Sox, Konerko/Garland to the D-Backs, RJ to Yanks doesn't make any sense to me. The Sox would be losing value and the Yanks would gain considerably. If the White Sox make that trade, they will have three good SP's (Garcia, Buehlre, Vazquez) but then they will most likely have to rely on Frank Thomas at first, and besides Carlos Lee they don't have much offense besides that.

The D-Backs would be getting two solid guys. Konerko had a down year, but I still consider him a damned good offensive player. Garland isn't great, but on a team like Arizona he would make a solid #3 or #4 SP, probably better then what they have now. They would have a starting rotation better then a lot of teams in the league.

The Yanks would be getting an absolutly amazing deal. Vazques is good, but not great. He had a good record last year but his ERA wasn't anything spectacular. He is expandable regardless, but to get the best pitcher of this generation for him, I mean come on. The White Sox would be making a horrible decision with that IMO.


Speaking of the White Sox and all, what do you guys think happens with Magglio? He isn't getting much publicity, but he is a free agent (right?) and he is really...REALLY good! His value obviously went down because of his injury last season, but whatever team gets him is going to get a great deal. What teams are looking at him? Frankly I am kind of surprised the Yankees haven't made an effort at him.

Just a little update on the Twins for everybody who doesn't read Twin Cities papers Well Koskie is gone now, so right now the Twins are pretty much in a bad position for infield. Justin Morneau is back, who is an excellent hitter, but no Mientkiewicz in the field. Luis Rivas, the 2B-man of the past, apparently doesn't have a secure job. Mike Cuddyer, a really above average utility man last season, is expected to take over at either 2nd or 3rd. Personally, I think he makes a lot more sense at third because, well if you've seen him he just isn't a 2nd baseman, I think his d would be better at third, and Rivas is a real good defensive second baseman. There is a lot of speculation that Joe Randa signs with the Twins, he has publically stated that he would like to. He isn't that good, but better then nothing. If he did that I could see Rivas moving to short and Cuddy at second. There is also a lot of speculation about signing Jose Valentin as a backup infielder/DH.

Overall, I don't like how the Twins are looking right now. The whole core is changing, and Jacque Jones is likely to go next. He was going to be gone for sure this winter, but Jason Kubel, his replacement, tore his ACL or something and is missing all of next season. To be successful the Twins really need to sign a third SP. I just don't see Johan being quite as dominant, and Radke just isn't the pitcher you want in a game 7. He has a good ERA etc, but I dunno, he just doesn't have the killer instinct. Joe Mays missed all of last season with Tommy Johns, if he can return to his 2001 status, he could be the one, but I am not counting on it.

I see the Twins just barely holding off Cleveland again for the AL Central, with Chicago and Detroit close behind.
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The current deal: Javier to White Sox, Konerko/Garland to the D-Backs, RJ to Yanks doesn't make any sense to me. The Sox would be losing value and the Yanks would gain considerably. If the White Sox make that trade, they will have three good SP's (Garcia, Buehlre, Vazquez) but then they will most likely have to rely on Frank Thomas at first, and besides Carlos Lee they don't have much offense besides that.
Except Carlos Lee got traded to the Brewers.
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Also, it's reported that Richie Sexson has agreed to a 4 year 48 million dollar deal with the Mariners.
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ESPN insider reported this morning that Renteria was going to stay w/ STL for a home town discount.

Boston Globe is now reporting w/ quotes from Renteria, the he signed a 4yr 40mil deal w/ the Sox, w/ a 5th year 10mil option.

So, he was allset to take a hometown discount (8mil/yr vs. 9mil/yr) but for 2mil more per year, plus an option on a 5th.

Now, this frees up the sox to deal Ramierz (not Manny) I forget his first name, his a SS prospect that everyone wants.

Sox are supposed to be talking to the Marlins about AJ Burnett.

Wait, mlb.com says the yanks are closer to a deal w/ Pavano, and should have one by friday? So the deal still hasn't been signed?

I'll lmfao is the Sox swoop in.

But, I think it's more likely they go for other options.
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Old 12-15-2004, 05:09 PM   #286
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Lol, thanks Dave. I think the White Sox have got to have one of the worst front offices in the league. Every year they pick up the worst players expecting to push into the playoffs. Last year everybody flamed me when I told them that Carl Everett wasn't going to be the key to the White Sox success, just like he wasn't the year before. Somebody please tell them that they are picking up horrible players.
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Also, I lied about the Sexson deal...it's 4 years and 50 mil.

They added 5 mil in there somewhere today because I read what I posted earlier at ESPN this morning.
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and the M's just signed Adrian Beltre to a 5 year deal.
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and the M's just signed Adrian Beltre to a 5 year deal.
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O well.. If he's leaving my favorite team, at least he's going to my second favorite team. I'm looking forward to a lineup of Ichiro, Boone, Sexson and Beltre.
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Oakland traded right-hander Tim Hudson to the Atlanta Braves for two pitchers, left-hander Dan Meyer and right-hander Juan Cruz, and outfielder Charles Thomas on Thursday, the A's said in a press release.

Damn. Dodgers got nobody. Screw you Depodesta.

But having Smoltz and Hudson headlining the rotation is a boon for Bobby Cox. I see Atlanta winning another division.
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Where the heck did Seattle find all this money?

Anyway, Hudson got delt to Atlanta.

Would liked to have seen him a Red Sox, but better then him going to the Yanks.
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and the M's just signed Adrian Beltre to a 5 year deal.
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Nice to see that Seattle isn't going to keep declining, that they want to compete. Afterall, they were supposed to last year too, until age finally caught up to them.
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Just went and read an article on Seattle. Looks like they are still negotiating with Delgado . Wow. I hope Beltre works out for them, but Delgado would be the more important, proven hitter to acquire. If they land him as well, phew! Mind you, they still need to shore up their pitching.
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But having Smoltz and Hudson headlining the rotation is a boon for Bobby Cox. I see Atlanta winning another division.
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Wait the Miz's are going to sign Delgado and Sexson? Seattle and their DH's
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WTF ARE THE DODGERS DOING

So far the deal looks like this

Yanks: Randy Johnson
D-backs: Shawn Green, Brad Penny, Brazoban
Dodgers: Vazquez and minor leaguers.


I HATE DEPODESTA!!!
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Old 12-16-2004, 11:28 PM   #314
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How can the Dodgers give up the most and get the least. WTF is that.
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Old 12-16-2004, 11:36 PM   #315
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Florida was originally supposed to be involved and it was Burnett instead of Penny/Brazoban
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Randy

Sad to see Vazquez go as he had an awesome first half, but obviously this'd be a great deal for everyone except LA.

But then supposedly theLoDuca trade was the end for LA and look what happened. so meh
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also, you are getting Vazquez and Dioner Navarro (who is the Bankees best prospect and a Catcher) also some other guy.
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So basically, the Dodgers traded Lo Duca, Mota and Encarnacion for Vazquez and Hee Seop Choi..... I am disturbed.
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Well, I'm just hoping these prospects are good. Or else the Dodgers are gonna be last year's d-backs. No Beltre, Green, Finley(top 3 hitters)... No lima, perez, penny(top 3 pitchers).. no brazoban(top middle relief). Damn.
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Thats worse then the one with the White Sox
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