World of Warcraft - Page 8

**road doggy dogg** · 01-08-2005, 01:55 AM

lol how do you die to warriors. You're the most overpowered class in the game, and you lose to the most underpowered?

**Requiem** · 01-08-2005, 04:26 AM

The only reason they're underpowered is because their aggro is messed up. Aggro means nothing PvP

**road doggy dogg** · 01-08-2005, 04:27 AM

lol

**Requiem** · 01-08-2005, 04:36 AM

Well.. crappy HP, but that's blizzard's fault for being retarded with base stamina. Even a mage has higher HP than a warrior.

**Apocolyptik1** · 01-08-2005, 05:24 AM

No they did fine with the hp for classes, but they messed up on how 1 point gives 10 hp for every class. It should be lower with casters.

**Requiem** · 01-09-2005, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apocolyptik1

No they did fine with the hp for classes, but they messed up on how 1 point gives 10 hp for every class. It should be lower with casters.

No. Actually, the problem is that base stamina doesn't mean shit. All classes gain a certain amount of stamina every level, but it doesn't actually add any HP because of it. Only buffed/item stamina does anything. That's why mages have more HP than a warrior, which is meant to tank things. Granted, warriors can still tank well because they don't take as much damage, but they -should- have more HP than any other class.

There are HUGE threads on the boards about people bitching about this problem.

**Triple A** · 01-08-2005, 07:30 AM

My brother is a douchebag so yesterday, he stripped all of his clothes and danced in front of random players for like a half hour, then ran through the towns telling people to join him streaking.

**road doggy dogg** · 01-10-2005, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple A

My brother is a douchebag so yesterday, he stripped all of his clothes and danced in front of random players for like a half hour, then ran through the towns telling people to join him streaking.

ahaha

This one friend of mine, she's low level so I help her out levelling and stuff, and we were in Westfall (hella newbie zone), and we were duelling each otehr for shits and giggles, and some level like 16 Night Elf came up to us and asked us to invite to party. I told her to get nekkid first, so she did. Then I told her to dance on me. Then we both just ran off. It was fun. Nudity is awesome. Stupid panties though (actually panties a re hot)

**Ninti the Mad** · 01-10-2005, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple A

My brother is a douchebag so yesterday, he stripped all of his clothes and danced in front of random players for like a half hour, then ran through the towns telling people to join him streaking.

haha I used to do that in Ultima Online about 4 years ago.

I had a clan called Naked United.

**road doggy dogg** · 01-10-2005, 02:25 AM

Why is that even a bad thing though? Oh no, heaven forbid good items are actually worth having. If a Mage has more HP than a Warrior, then either the Warrior sucks shit, or the Mage is severely lacking in mana due to focusing more on Stam than Int. Or a combination of both.

And there are threads on the forum bitching about EVERYTHING. The majority of Blizzard's fanbase are 12 year old spazzes who don't know anything at all.

**Requiem** · 01-10-2005, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by road doggy dogg

Why is that even a bad thing though? Oh no, heaven forbid good items are actually worth having. If a Mage has more HP than a Warrior, then either the Warrior sucks shit, or the Mage is severely lacking in mana due to focusing more on Stam than Int. Or a combination of both.

And there are threads on the forum bitching about EVERYTHING. The majority of Blizzard's fanbase are 12 year old spazzes who don't know anything at all.

You're not understanding what I'm saying. Base stamina = nothing. This is the best thread I can find about tthe subject.. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...l&T=561346&P=2

Blizzard says it's supposedly working as planned, but yet warriors don't gain HP every level, even though for some reason they gain stamina which gives them hp? It doesn't make much sense, and everyone argues that it's simply broken and blizzard won't admit it.

It's like this.. Warrior gains stamina, supposedly gains HP from that. Next lvl, warrior just gains HP, less stamina... But somehow it's the same HP as the last lvl?

Apparently this is only a problem with warriors because of the fact that they don't always gain certain stats on level-up. Hence why a mage and certain other classes can have more HP than a warrior, because they're gaining stats faster and more often than the warrior.

Anyway, that doesn't really have anything to do with the PvP topic.. just thought I would clarify what the problem was. It doesn't have to do with what gear they have... strip away all the gear from an equal higher lvl mage and warrior and I'd guess that the mage would have higher or nearly equal HP due to this problem.

**Gonzo** · 01-10-2005, 12:20 PM

I wish people wouldn't pick boxes for free. I figure that they get something inside their box so why can't I charge like 15s. I tricked this one guy into it but then a bunch of people were saying the higher levels do it for free. I was pissed cause I needed money.

**road doggy dogg** · 01-10-2005, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo

I wish people wouldn't pick boxes for free. I figure that they get something inside their box so why can't I charge like 15s. I tricked this one guy into it but then a bunch of people were saying the higher levels do it for free. I was pissed cause I needed money.

Most peopel do it for free because they're simply doing it to boost their Lockpicking skill

**Gonzo** · 01-10-2005, 10:29 PM

Yeah, I figured as much.

Right now I'm just chillin' surfing TPWW because some level 40 douchebag has been following me around for 15 minutes ganking me left and right, I'm only 21.

**Y2Ant** · 01-11-2005, 07:01 PM

I want this game mad bad

**road doggy dogg** · 01-11-2005, 08:21 PM

Angry.

I was planning on hitting 50 today but then work called me in. Oh well, I have all night to do it I guess.

**road doggy dogg** · 01-13-2005, 07:09 AM

Stupid server maintenance. Was just about to buy astack of Rugged Leathers to make a half dozen or so 14s bags Oh well, I guess I better go to sleep.

I've been doing a lot more PvPing lately. So much fun. Blizzard is sexilicious. Today was in Alterac, passed by a group of four 27-35 Horde fighting a mob, just rode by on my mount. Then I figured I'd go have some fun, so I turned around. Came up ot the group, unleased a Blizzard on them. The blizzard itself killed 2 of them (<3 low life Priests), then a Fire Blast, Cone of Colt, and Arcane Explosion later I was the only one standing. Blizzard rapes in mass PvP. God I can't wait till 52 for the next rank. I must say I'm pretty disappointed with my lvl 50 spells. OH WLEllllllllll tiem for bed.

**Gonzo** · 01-15-2005, 01:55 PM

Started a shaman.

Looking for what character I have the most fun with.

**road doggy dogg** · 01-15-2005, 09:04 PM

Gay.

Also, Maraudon > you

**Apocolyptik1** · 01-16-2005, 08:34 PM

hehe maraudon is fun.

I went and did a little in game research just go see what requiem is talking about.

I made a warrior and a mage, and played both of them til 10th level, neither of them had cool items, just to see what the health difference was.

The difference is, mages dont get near as many hp's per level as war's do. Right off, war's start out at 1st with the most hp, and they get the most hp per level. The mage was getting like 20-30 per level and the war was averaging 40-50 per level. So their's your difference.

I could see how a mage could get a lot of hp, but they have to sacrifice something to gain that hp. Most mages go stam + int, and they sacrifice agi. A war on the other hand, doesnt really sacrifice anything when they get their hp buffs. You dont have to go agility, because war's dodge bonus is real lame, and you get to wear plate eventually.

I cant stand when people complain about classes. I see it everyday in the general chat. Either someone is complaining and bitching about how 1 class is WAY stronger then another class, or someone is complaining about 1 particular thing with their class. I think the classes are fine the way they are. If blizzard would go and change something, more people would bitch about whatever they changed, and talked about how this class is to overpowered and this class is to underpowered. I dont think any of the classes are underpowered. All of the classes can have really strong builds, for certain things.

War's arent good for 1v1 pvp, but if you stick them into a raid, they serve a lot more of purpose because they have a lot of crowd control.

All classes have particular things they are better at then other classes.

**road doggy dogg** · 01-16-2005, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apocolyptik1

I could see how a mage could get a lot of hp, but they have to sacrifice something to gain that hp. Most mages go stam + int, and they sacrifice agi. A war on the other hand, doesnt really sacrifice anything when they get their hp buffs. You dont have to go agility, because war's dodge bonus is real lame, and you get to wear plate eventually.

I understand what you are saying about sacrificing, but come on... sacrificing agi? Mages have literally 0 use for agi in the first place, so it's kind of silly to say that.

**Requiem** · 01-16-2005, 09:41 PM

You have to go higher than 10 to see what the difference is. Read the boards, and you'll see the formulas that people have figured out about how warriors end up with less HP than mages. Eventually, all mages get is cloth equipment (obviously since they can't use higher than that).. and it just adds mana and HP.. they'll end up with more.

I was pissed the other night and deleted my shaman and was about to roll alliance, but a friend convinced me to remake, and I went with a troll rogue.. only reason I went horde was because I liked shamans when I played beta.. *shrugs* Oh well..

**Requiem** · 01-16-2005, 09:44 PM

Also, they just made Onyxia un-tauntable. Fucked warriors over in raids now.. Granted, they still do DPS, but they can't gain aggro as easily anymore.

Someone did a comparison between warriors and paladins each at lvl 40 or so.. same lvl, same instance gear... Paladin out-DPSed, had more HP, and had invulns and heals... also got aggro more than the warrior, and the warrior couldn't seem to keep aggro even though he was trying like hell.

More reasons a warrior is gimped..

**road doggy dogg** · 01-16-2005, 11:14 PM

Anyway, Warriors will always be gimped. We always joke with the one warrior in our guild about how awful they are. The best thing ever though, was when he Charged one of the Deeprun Rats, and MISSED, then the rat hit him for 1 damage. He was level like 45 at the time. gg warriors.

**Requiem** · 01-17-2005, 12:10 PM

Haha.. took this from the WoW boards. People were discussing cross-faction chat..

Paladin: Let's see what these orc scum want. INTERPRETER!
Interpreter: Yes sir?
Paladin: Ask this green-skinned maggot what he wants.
Interpreter: [Orcish] Our leader has graciously requested the nature of your presence in this region, and your intended actions.
Orc Warrior: [Orcish] We bored. Looking around. Tell pink-skin in tin covering we rip his head off and use neck for [indecipherable] if he wants fight.
Interpreter: They're exploring the region, and have no hostile intentions, but will defend themselves if necessary.
Paladin: Hmph! Well, tell him we'll be watching and if they make one wrong move...
Interpreter: [Orcish] My leader welcomes you to the region, and hopes your stay will be a pleasant one.
Orc Warrior: [Orcish] Ha! We do that with or without welcomes. Tell him stay far away, or we kill!
Interpreter: They are grateful for your benevolent countenance and will not pursue any antagonistic behavior, unless they experience it first.
Paladin: Jolly good then.

**road doggy dogg** · 01-18-2005, 10:51 AM

Hahhaha... just finished the Un'Goro quests last night. The Legend of Zelda references are fucking awesome. Hella nostalgia there And even better, I got a fucking sick off-hand equip as a reward for doing them all. <3!!! Blizzard = the man

...now if only the servers would go back up

**road doggy dogg** · 01-19-2005, 02:23 AM

Yay thottbot actually updated my profile for once. Granted, it's still a bit outdated, but better than what it was.

Stupid thing won't update on here. The profile itself is updated on thottbot though. Stupid Javascript. http://thottbot.com/index.cgi?p=Tonavin

**LoDownM** · 01-23-2005, 07:43 AM

Finally found this at a store, every store I went to was fucking sold out

. Freaking awesome so far. To bad i'm only lvl6, oh well, hopefully in 3 months, I won't be bored of WOW like I was with FF11.

**road doggy dogg** · 01-23-2005, 08:33 AM

Yeah it's ridiculous. Blizzard is like not putting anymore copies up on shelves for a while, because their servers are getting pretty full. Not all of them, but the really populated ones like Archimonde and Warsong are ridiculously full. I really hope they add that server migration thing, to help even out the population a bit.

**Y2Ant** · 01-23-2005, 01:41 PM

I'm in the european final beta, this game is fucking awesome

**Gonzo** · 01-25-2005, 09:02 PM

What is this server migration that you speak of??

**Y2Ant** · 01-25-2005, 09:14 PM

Probably the ability to take your character(s) to another server.

I am a level 9 hunter now, almost 10, then I can get a pet

**Gonzo** · 01-25-2005, 09:22 PM

Hunters seem fun, my brother has one as his second character.

I have a 22 night elf rogue and a 13 troll shaman.

**Requiem** · 01-25-2005, 09:42 PM

Got my new rogue up to 14 now.. almost 15.. or is it 15? I dunno.. one of those.

Also made my alliance char on a friend's server.. he gave me 10 gold like it was nothing.. lol

**road doggy dogg** · 01-26-2005, 01:17 AM

Yeah once you get higher up money isn't quite so meaningful. 10g really isn't taht much, I can make that in an hour or two of grinding

**Y2Ant** · 01-26-2005, 09:34 AM

Me and two other guys (another hunter and a rogue) went questing in this cave, pretty hot. Got to level 11 now, and I can tame beasts. The talents, spellbook and professions are quite confusing to me at the moment, like some skills I have rank 2 from being trained in them and adding them to the spellbook, and a couple I put points into on the talent thing, it's really awesome how customizable your character can be.

**LoDownM** · 01-28-2005, 03:07 PM

Heh, spent the last two days, about 18 hours of them anyway, just playing this, didn't intend to it just ended up happeing. Game is awesome. Being able to make my own armor rocks

Just gotta get Smithing up more.

**road doggy dogg** · 01-28-2005, 04:32 PM

Yessss that's right, get sucked into the gameeee.

And yeah, the professions are cool. It's a shame Tailoring is so utterly useless, so far. The only good thing about it so far is the bags obviously, but having an 8 day cooldown between making 16s bags (4 days per mooncloth) sucks. It would be nice if there were some decent high-level caster gear you could make with Tailoring. All the Runecloth patterns suck, to be honest. The Mooncloth ones look pretty nice, but have absurdly low drop rates for the patterns, so I doubt I'll get any. Easier to just farm gear from BRD. *shrug* But yeah, Smithing and Leathermaking get pretty nice once you get into the different branches of them and all.

DS · 01-28-2005, 07:03 PM

I made this hot armor with blacksmithing but needed leather armor from a trailor. Lucky our guild has a good one so I was able to get it.

**road doggy dogg** · 01-30-2005, 09:36 AM

I ditched my Enchanting yesterday for Engineering... seems cool enough and I wasn't really doing anything with enchanting anyway other than getting shards for our guild's main enchanter. Sucks though because you need Mining for a lot of it... oh well, AH and guildies will fix that

01-19-2005, 02:23 AM	#27
road doggy dogg wekasauce Posts: 106,896	Yay thottbot actually updated my profile for once. Granted, it's still a bit outdated, but better than what it was. Stupid thing won't update on here. The profile itself is updated on thottbot though. Stupid Javascript. http://thottbot.com/index.cgi?p=Tonavin Last edited by road doggy dogg; 01-23-2005 at 08:40 AM.

01-08-2005, 01:55 AM	#1
road doggy dogg wekasauce Posts: 106,896	lol how do you die to warriors. You're the most overpowered class in the game, and you lose to the most underpowered?

01-08-2005, 04:26 AM	#2
Requiem Posts: 19,299	The only reason they're underpowered is because their aggro is messed up. Aggro means nothing PvP

01-08-2005, 04:27 AM	#3
road doggy dogg wekasauce Posts: 106,896	lol

01-08-2005, 04:36 AM	#4
Requiem Posts: 19,299	Well.. crappy HP, but that's blizzard's fault for being retarded with base stamina. Even a mage has higher HP than a warrior.

01-08-2005, 05:24 AM	#5
Apocolyptik1 Posts: 345	No they did fine with the hp for classes, but they messed up on how 1 point gives 10 hp for every class. It should be lower with casters.

01-08-2005, 07:30 AM	#7
Triple A Triple A Posts: 133,040	My brother is a douchebag so yesterday, he stripped all of his clothes and danced in front of random players for like a half hour, then ran through the towns telling people to join him streaking.

01-10-2005, 02:25 AM	#10
road doggy dogg wekasauce Posts: 106,896	Why is that even a bad thing though? Oh no, heaven forbid good items are actually worth having. If a Mage has more HP than a Warrior, then either the Warrior sucks shit, or the Mage is severely lacking in mana due to focusing more on Stam than Int. Or a combination of both. And there are threads on the forum bitching about EVERYTHING. The majority of Blizzard's fanbase are 12 year old spazzes who don't know anything at all.

01-10-2005, 12:20 PM	#12
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	I wish people wouldn't pick boxes for free. I figure that they get something inside their box so why can't I charge like 15s. I tricked this one guy into it but then a bunch of people were saying the higher levels do it for free. I was pissed cause I needed money.

01-10-2005, 10:29 PM	#14
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	Yeah, I figured as much. Right now I'm just chillin' surfing TPWW because some level 40 douchebag has been following me around for 15 minutes ganking me left and right, I'm only 21.

01-11-2005, 07:01 PM	#15
Y2Ant Crows Before Hoes Posts: 24,501	I want this game mad bad

01-11-2005, 08:21 PM	#16
road doggy dogg wekasauce Posts: 106,896	Angry. I was planning on hitting 50 today but then work called me in. Oh well, I have all night to do it I guess.

01-13-2005, 07:09 AM	#17
road doggy dogg wekasauce Posts: 106,896	Stupid server maintenance. Was just about to buy astack of Rugged Leathers to make a half dozen or so 14s bags Oh well, I guess I better go to sleep. I've been doing a lot more PvPing lately. So much fun. Blizzard is sexilicious. Today was in Alterac, passed by a group of four 27-35 Horde fighting a mob, just rode by on my mount. Then I figured I'd go have some fun, so I turned around. Came up ot the group, unleased a Blizzard on them. The blizzard itself killed 2 of them (<3 low life Priests), then a Fire Blast, Cone of Colt, and Arcane Explosion later I was the only one standing. Blizzard rapes in mass PvP. God I can't wait till 52 for the next rank. I must say I'm pretty disappointed with my lvl 50 spells. OH WLEllllllllll tiem for bed.

01-15-2005, 01:55 PM	#18
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	Started a shaman. Looking for what character I have the most fun with.

01-15-2005, 09:04 PM	#19
road doggy dogg wekasauce Posts: 106,896	Gay. Also, Maraudon > you

01-16-2005, 08:34 PM	#20
Apocolyptik1 Posts: 345	hehe maraudon is fun. I went and did a little in game research just go see what requiem is talking about. I made a warrior and a mage, and played both of them til 10th level, neither of them had cool items, just to see what the health difference was. The difference is, mages dont get near as many hp's per level as war's do. Right off, war's start out at 1st with the most hp, and they get the most hp per level. The mage was getting like 20-30 per level and the war was averaging 40-50 per level. So their's your difference. I could see how a mage could get a lot of hp, but they have to sacrifice something to gain that hp. Most mages go stam + int, and they sacrifice agi. A war on the other hand, doesnt really sacrifice anything when they get their hp buffs. You dont have to go agility, because war's dodge bonus is real lame, and you get to wear plate eventually. I cant stand when people complain about classes. I see it everyday in the general chat. Either someone is complaining and bitching about how 1 class is WAY stronger then another class, or someone is complaining about 1 particular thing with their class. I think the classes are fine the way they are. If blizzard would go and change something, more people would bitch about whatever they changed, and talked about how this class is to overpowered and this class is to underpowered. I dont think any of the classes are underpowered. All of the classes can have really strong builds, for certain things. War's arent good for 1v1 pvp, but if you stick them into a raid, they serve a lot more of purpose because they have a lot of crowd control. All classes have particular things they are better at then other classes.

01-16-2005, 09:41 PM	#22
Requiem Posts: 19,299	You have to go higher than 10 to see what the difference is. Read the boards, and you'll see the formulas that people have figured out about how warriors end up with less HP than mages. Eventually, all mages get is cloth equipment (obviously since they can't use higher than that).. and it just adds mana and HP.. they'll end up with more. I was pissed the other night and deleted my shaman and was about to roll alliance, but a friend convinced me to remake, and I went with a troll rogue.. only reason I went horde was because I liked shamans when I played beta.. shrugs Oh well..

01-16-2005, 09:44 PM	#23
Requiem Posts: 19,299	Also, they just made Onyxia un-tauntable. Fucked warriors over in raids now.. Granted, they still do DPS, but they can't gain aggro as easily anymore. Someone did a comparison between warriors and paladins each at lvl 40 or so.. same lvl, same instance gear... Paladin out-DPSed, had more HP, and had invulns and heals... also got aggro more than the warrior, and the warrior couldn't seem to keep aggro even though he was trying like hell. More reasons a warrior is gimped..

01-16-2005, 11:14 PM	#24
road doggy dogg wekasauce Posts: 106,896	Anyway, Warriors will always be gimped. We always joke with the one warrior in our guild about how awful they are. The best thing ever though, was when he Charged one of the Deeprun Rats, and MISSED, then the rat hit him for 1 damage. He was level like 45 at the time. gg warriors.

01-17-2005, 12:10 PM	#25
Requiem Posts: 19,299	Haha.. took this from the WoW boards. People were discussing cross-faction chat.. Paladin: Let's see what these orc scum want. INTERPRETER! Interpreter: Yes sir? Paladin: Ask this green-skinned maggot what he wants. Interpreter: [Orcish] Our leader has graciously requested the nature of your presence in this region, and your intended actions. Orc Warrior: [Orcish] We bored. Looking around. Tell pink-skin in tin covering we rip his head off and use neck for [indecipherable] if he wants fight. Interpreter: They're exploring the region, and have no hostile intentions, but will defend themselves if necessary. Paladin: Hmph! Well, tell him we'll be watching and if they make one wrong move... Interpreter: [Orcish] My leader welcomes you to the region, and hopes your stay will be a pleasant one. Orc Warrior: [Orcish] Ha! We do that with or without welcomes. Tell him stay far away, or we kill! Interpreter: They are grateful for your benevolent countenance and will not pursue any antagonistic behavior, unless they experience it first. Paladin: Jolly good then.

01-18-2005, 10:51 AM	#26
road doggy dogg wekasauce Posts: 106,896	Hahhaha... just finished the Un'Goro quests last night. The Legend of Zelda references are fucking awesome. Hella nostalgia there And even better, I got a fucking sick off-hand equip as a reward for doing them all. <3!!! Blizzard = the man ...now if only the servers would go back up

01-23-2005, 07:43 AM	#28
LoDownM Retired Prolly. Posts: 11,296	Finally found this at a store, every store I went to was fucking sold out . Freaking awesome so far. To bad i'm only lvl6, oh well, hopefully in 3 months, I won't be bored of WOW like I was with FF11.

01-23-2005, 08:33 AM	#29
road doggy dogg wekasauce Posts: 106,896	Yeah it's ridiculous. Blizzard is like not putting anymore copies up on shelves for a while, because their servers are getting pretty full. Not all of them, but the really populated ones like Archimonde and Warsong are ridiculously full. I really hope they add that server migration thing, to help even out the population a bit.

01-23-2005, 01:41 PM	#30
Y2Ant Crows Before Hoes Posts: 24,501	I'm in the european final beta, this game is fucking awesome

01-25-2005, 09:02 PM	#31
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	What is this server migration that you speak of??

01-25-2005, 09:14 PM	#32
Y2Ant Crows Before Hoes Posts: 24,501	Probably the ability to take your character(s) to another server. I am a level 9 hunter now, almost 10, then I can get a pet

01-25-2005, 09:22 PM	#33
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	Hunters seem fun, my brother has one as his second character. I have a 22 night elf rogue and a 13 troll shaman.

01-25-2005, 09:42 PM	#34
Requiem Posts: 19,299	Got my new rogue up to 14 now.. almost 15.. or is it 15? I dunno.. one of those. Also made my alliance char on a friend's server.. he gave me 10 gold like it was nothing.. lol

01-26-2005, 01:17 AM	#35
road doggy dogg wekasauce Posts: 106,896	Yeah once you get higher up money isn't quite so meaningful. 10g really isn't taht much, I can make that in an hour or two of grinding

01-26-2005, 09:34 AM	#36
Y2Ant Crows Before Hoes Posts: 24,501	Me and two other guys (another hunter and a rogue) went questing in this cave, pretty hot. Got to level 11 now, and I can tame beasts. The talents, spellbook and professions are quite confusing to me at the moment, like some skills I have rank 2 from being trained in them and adding them to the spellbook, and a couple I put points into on the talent thing, it's really awesome how customizable your character can be.

01-28-2005, 03:07 PM	#37
LoDownM Retired Prolly. Posts: 11,296	Heh, spent the last two days, about 18 hours of them anyway, just playing this, didn't intend to it just ended up happeing. Game is awesome. Being able to make my own armor rocks Just gotta get Smithing up more.