X3

[loopydate]

1) I don't think Juggernaut's dead.

2) I think they realized that they made a mistake casting someone simply for looks rather than acting ability, so they're just going to leave him "dead" until they can re-cast him for the Wolverine spinoff.

3) They can do Apocalypse. Who cares if it's not the same as the comics? These are movies.

4) No clue. I guess Kelsey Grammar's probably the biggest star left.

5) Because - in the context of the "world" the movies have created - it makes a whole lot more sense for him to be a mutant. Seriously, watching an X-Men movie, the audience has already suspended disbelief long enough to believe that there are mutants. Do you really need to introduce magical gems as well?

6) He didn't have an Australian accent. It was British.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by loopydate 1) I don't think Juggernaut's dead. 2) I think they realized that they made a mistake casting someone simply for looks rather than acting ability, so they're just going to leave him "dead" until they can re-cast him for the Wolverine spinoff. 3) They can do Apocalypse. Who cares if it's not the same as the comics? These are movies. 4) No clue. I guess Kelsey Grammar's probably the biggest star left. 5) Because - in the context of the "world" the movies have created - it makes a whole lot more sense for him to be a mutant. Seriously, watching an X-Men movie, the audience has already suspended disbelief long enough to believe that there are mutants. Do you really need to introduce magical gems as well? 6) He didn't have an Australian accent. It was British.

1. Probably right.

2. I hope so, but he still should have been in the Last Stand.

3. Isn't it ironic to see someone complain about how they can't do it proper after the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix Saga was just done?

Interestingly enough, the Phoenix storyline involved an alien consciousness, alien allies and enemies, and suicide at the hands of an alien trap. Besides, by the time Cable was born, Jean and Scott had each at least died like, twice. Not to mention Cable probably wouldn't fit that well in the movies.

4. They'll probably do a fourth with Storm leading. She had in the comics.

5. Actually, it was for simplicity's sake. It's not really harder to suspend disbelief to believe the Juggernat got his powers from the gem than it is that he's an unstoppable mutant. It's just more convenient to not introduce those elements, especially if you're going to defeat him with a kid who shuts offmutant powers.

6. Especially since the guy who played him was British.

[El Fangel]

My friends said he was british I was sort of in the middle and finally wenr with it sound more austrailian or maybe it was just the "do you know who I am? Im the Juggernaut,B*TCH" thing that sound austrailian to me.

I am happy to hear that most people here agree with me that Sabretooth and Juggernaut are NOT dead.

And they probabily won't have alot of new mutants as the cost of generating effects with computers is costly and they do alot of it in the x-men movies.

*Holds onto hope of seeing a cable / apocalypse fight*

[El Fangel]

My friends said he was british I was sort of in the middle and finally went with it sounding more austrailian or maybe it was just the "do you know who I am? Im the Juggernaut,B*TCH" thing that sound austrailian to me.

I am happy to hear that most people here agree with me that Sabretooth and Juggernaut are NOT dead.

And they probabily won't have alot of new mutants as the cost of generating effects with computers is costly and they do alot of it in the x-men movies.

*Holds onto hope of seeing a cable / apocalypse fight*

[ClockShot]

I just got back from this film. It was pretty good. I'd put it in the middle with The first movie on the bottom and X-2 on top. I also had the theatre to myself so I was able to act normally. Anyway here's my review:

1. So if they axed Nightcrawler from the film, who was the guy with his teleporting powers at the begining of the Alcatraz battle?

2. Angel. Come on. He gets 20 words, maybe more total? Looking at the primary cast back on page one or two, and trailers, I thought he would be the source of the cure. Didn't know Ratner had Leech hiding in the corner.

3. Yeah, Cyclops got killed off way to early. Was looking around for a body but to luck. Sure call it punishment to play for the enemy (DC comics), but bring him back full time if they go and make #4

4. The Juggernaut. Yeah like everyone else here, I also went crazy when he introduced himself to Kitty Pryde. But he can't be killed off with a bonk on the head. Gotta see brother Charles one last time.

5. I left during the credits. Big mistake. Anybody got a link to the last few minutes after them? I will supply rep.

6. You mean to tell me that ArcLight gets a much bigger role than Besty Braddock?

7. Kelsey Grammer was awesome as Beast. Couldn't have found a better person for the job.

8. Too short.

All in all I give this film a level B. Obviously there are alot of things we can point out and discuss. Will a 4th come out, character flaws, etc. But I think it was great movie. Good job Brett Ratner.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by TNA ROCKS My friends said he was british I was sort of in the middle and finally went with it sounding more austrailian or maybe it was just the "do you know who I am? Im the Juggernaut,B*TCH" thing that sound austrailian to me. I am happy to hear that most people here agree with me that Sabretooth and Juggernaut are NOT dead. And they probabily won't have alot of new mutants as the cost of generating effects with computers is costly and they do alot of it in the x-men movies. *Holds onto hope of seeing a cable / apocalypse fight*

Actually, the special effects are probably less costly than the cast. A lot of places are going to computer animation because it's more cost effective than other alternatives. Pick some small-time stars or nobodies, cast them as mutants, and BAM! Cheap superheroes.

Of course, we'd rather spend 8 trillion on Halle Berry.

[El Fangel]

Well I suppose you are right, but special effects are still costly and the movies don't have any small amount as showing kitty phasing, and the such.
There was alot of no-name mutants that were little more then standins, so I see what you mean there, but the cost of Berry,Jackman, Mckellan(?spelling?)...
..
..and Captain Jean-Luc Picard sort of cancel that out.

[Kane Knight]

No, you don't much get it.

[Fignuts]

Angels scenes actually wern't cg. Just his wings. Saw a behind the scenes of the very costly scene where he jumps out the window.

[Impact!]

Oh and for the people complaining about how the Juggernaut was defeated by a knock on the head. It did make sense because he lost his powers (because of Leech).

[El Fangel]

Well, first of all he was wearing a helmet probabily 4 inchs thick, and he still got knocked out?
Secondly Juggernaut is not a mutant, so leech should never have affected him

and im not complaining, I was curious before as to what others thought on wither he died or not.

[loopydate]

At the speed he was going, it didn't matter whether he wore a helmet or not. More than likely, the helmet saved his life (without the helmet, he probably would have broken his neck), but it would still knock him out.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Impact! Oh and for the people complaining about how the Juggernaut was defeated by a knock on the head. It did make sense because he lost his powers (because of Leech).

People I think are primarily complaining because he's not a mutant.

And because they wanted to see him vs Collosus or Wolvie or both.

Not that I care either way.

[Kalyx triaD]

X3 is full good moments overall. It's a film about a bunch of cool moments and mutants doing their thing. I'll be honest, this is more like X-Men than the first two films. You have all the wacky battles and over-the-top drama and even the un-needed character deaths. I enjoyed it. Still, I have some issues with certain themes, characters, and scenes.

Young Charles/Eric:
Very interesting FX work. Patrick Stewert specifically looks 20yrs younger rather convincingly. Ian still shows some age, though.

Danger Room:
Wolverine and Storm training teenage mut-... X-Men: Evolution? Anyway, it was nice to have a sentinel; not so nice for it to be off screen the whole time. Logan getting tossed was badass. In this sequence lies my first and most frequent complaint: character plots. Shadowkat is introduced as an X-Man without so much as a flashback detailing her entry. She's just there.

Cyclops:
The only time Scott is a pretty interesting character is when he gets killed off in the first 30 seconds. I like this depressed, stuble-growing, loner Cyclops. I understand why he couldn't be in the rest of the movie, but can't help but wonder how it would be for him to participate. The Scott/Logan/Jean triangle was basically vaporized with 'Cyke as well.

Brett Retner(SP):
It's at this time I notice the director's openning flaws. He introduces (and reintroduces) characters with poor flair. They just appear on screen without so much as a music cue, interesting camera angle or defining speach. Magneto's first scene in the film is what I'm talking about here. Fortunately, you can actually see Brett adjusting to the film mid-movie as the middle and ending scenes seem vastly superior to the first 20 minutes (not by much).

Enter Phoenix:
It's nice how they totally spit on Singer's flaming Phoenix when he was obviously gonna present it for his X3. Still, I do like the one they went for here. Kinda scary when she gets into her final form. Her presence is explained rather poorly. Split personality? Much too forceful. I would've had it so her growing powers simply manifested into this Phoenix entity with a Goddess complex. But that's me.

Angel:
Honestly I expected him to be used for a foreshadowing to a future Apocolyps storyline. Guess I asked for too much.

Magneto Breaks Out Mutants:
Cool how he destroyed that convoy. Very. It's pretty insulting to Magneto as a character, however, that he disowns Mystique over a technicality. Did she not grow up as a mutant? Did she not feel the prejudice? Bad writing. Alot of cool scenes end with bad writing.

Logan Keeps Scott's Shades:
I'm most disappointed in this overlooked and interesting detail. When Logan questions Jean about Scott he pulls out his shades. Wouldn't the writers or the director find that interesting enough to elaborate on? Did Logan have some respect for Scott? We'll never know. Missed oppertunity.

Showdown at Jean's:
Can we safely guess Pheonix killed Jean's parents? I like to think so. The movie gets better from here; after some pretty good scenes. Xavier getting vaporized (or whatever the bitch does to you) really got me at the time. But again a key relationship of the movie-series is vaporized as well. Why have either Magneto or Xavier when the other's dead? The empty wheelchair shot sent it home, though.

Calisto:
Please tell me she wasn't made black to have some type of synergy with Storm. Please. She comes off as some hood-rat from around the way.

Wolverine Jungle Battle:
Something about Logan in the jungle felt right. Then Magneto reminded him why he's not a match for the Master of Magnetism. Gotta admit; everytime Magneto and Wolverine were in the same scene I expected an adaptation of the... Bone Surgery. Xavier got "killed", I was ready for anything.

Rogue:
Sell-out. I would've loved for Bobby to disown her ass and get with Kitty for pulling that shi... Did I just contradict myself? No, I didn't. Anyway, there was absolutely no resolution to Rogue/Kitty/Bobby that satisfied me.

Psylocke:
Just some Morlock thug with powers that has nothing to do with her comic version? Insult to all of her fans.

Building Bridges:
As many times as it was shown and talked about, seeing it in it's entirety was badass. Magneto rules.

The Last Stand:
This is really what people paid to see. On some levels it delivers, but it could've been better. Seeing Beast throw down was unexpected cool. Did Storm maliciously kill Calisto? Abit forced to me. Of all people to go after Juggy when he went after Leech; Kitty?!? Collossus vs. Juggernaut any day of the week. Still, Juggy's line in the floor: Gold. Iceman could've pulled an Ice Slide just once... Speaking of that...

Iceman vs. Pyro:
Interesting and boring at the same time. How?!? I expected more than some DBZ beam battle. I wanna see Ice Slides and Fire Tricks! Iceman going all ice was pretty cool and for some reason surprising. But like many other scenes it was capped off by bad dialogue. "You should've left the school." "You should've stayed." I would've had it like: "You're not so cool after all." *Headbutt* "You're not so hot yourself." But that's just me.

Phoenix Unleashed:
Very visual and scary. I liked it. She just started wasting people at random; by random I mean unimportant characters. Wolverine's 'walk against the wind' was a good moment.

Overall I liked the movie. It wasn't kick-my-ass good but it was interesting. Xavier cheating death totally ruined the angle. But I suppose it coincides with Magneto actually gaining his powers back (my favorite scene in the movie). They're at a point in the franchise to reinvent the wheel here. Go on with the X-Men: Evolution set-up and run with it. But that's me.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD Young Charles/Eric: Very interesting FX work. Patrick Stewert specifically looks 20yrs younger rather convincingly. Ian still shows some age, though.

Meh. Erik already looked older than Charles, so it was probably intentional.

Danger Room: Wolverine and Storm training teenage mut-... X-Men: Evolution? Anyway, it was nice to have a sentinel; not so nice for it to be off screen the whole time. Logan getting tossed was badass. In this sequence lies my first and most frequent complaint: character plots. Shadowkat is introduced as an X-Man without so much as a flashback detailing her entry. She's just there.

She's shown up in a prior movie. I don't think they needed to add much more to make this reasonable.

Enter Phoenix: It's nice how they totally spit on Singer's flaming Phoenix when he was obviously gonna present it for his X3. Still, I do like the one they went for here. Kinda scary when she gets into her final form. Her presence is explained rather poorly. Split personality? Much too forceful. I would've had it so her growing powers simply manifested into this Phoenix entity with a Goddess complex. But that's me.

Venus Envy?

I agree though. They fucked it up. But I always found Phoenix boring anyway.

Angel: Honestly I expected him to be used for a foreshadowing to a future Apocolyps storyline. Guess I asked for too much.

I expected him to be in the movie. We both asked for too much.

Magneto Breaks Out Mutants: Cool how he destroyed that convoy. Very. It's pretty insulting to Magneto as a character, however, that he disowns Mystique over a technicality. Did she not grow up as a mutant? Did she not feel the prejudice? Bad writing. Alot of cool scenes end with bad writing.

I disagree. I liked the fact that she was viewed as a martyr, but no longer one of them. Magneto's dream had no place for the normal.

Logan Keeps Scott's Shades: I'm most disappointed in this overlooked and interesting detail. When Logan questions Jean about Scott he pulls out his shades. Wouldn't the writers or the director find that interesting enough to elaborate on? Did Logan have some respect for Scott? We'll never know. Missed oppertunity.

Subtext?

Showdown at Jean's: Can we safely guess Pheonix killed Jean's parents? I like to think so. The movie gets better from here; after some pretty good scenes. Xavier getting vaporized (or whatever the bitch does to you) really got me at the time. But again a key relationship of the movie-series is vaporized as well. Why have either Magneto or Xavier when the other's dead? The empty wheelchair shot sent it home, though.

I disliked that scene.

Wolverine Jungle Battle: Something about Logan in the jungle felt right. Then Magneto reminded him why he's not a match for the Master of Magnetism. Gotta admit; everytime Magneto and Wolverine were in the same scene I expected an adaptation of the... Bone Surgery. Xavier got "killed", I was ready for anything.

I was hoping for that. It'd be an awesome way to launch the solo movie.

Rogue: Sell-out. I would've loved for Bobby to disown her ass and get with Kitty for pulling that shi... Did I just contradict myself? No, I didn't. Anyway, there was absolutely no resolution to Rogue/Kitty/Bobby that satisfied me.

That was pretty bad writing IMO, and the subplot seemed pointless. Especially when you had Beast, a man who did try and cure himself, as a perfect way to drive him the desire to be normal.

The Last Stand: This is really what people paid to see. On some levels it delivers, but it could've been better. Seeing Beast throw down was unexpected cool. Did Storm maliciously kill Calisto? Abit forced to me. Of all people to go after Juggy when he went after Leech; Kitty?!? Collossus vs. Juggernaut any day of the week. Still, Juggy's line in the floor: Gold. Iceman could've pulled an Ice Slide just once... Speaking of that...

I think Storm was at her wits' end. The bit with Kitty made sense, as they didn't know he'd knock her powers out, and she'd be the logical choice to get him away from the Juggernaut.