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Old 03-16-2006, 11:08 PM   #281
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wooooo Wow, Either this kid has a crush on cena and just can't back down from defending him.. or he's the most retarded person to ever grace a wrestling forum..7 pages of getting owned wooooooooooo
 
Old 03-16-2006, 11:11 PM   #282
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Vermaat over time you will question the WWE
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Old 03-16-2006, 11:14 PM   #283
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Old 03-16-2006, 11:17 PM   #284
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Old 03-16-2006, 11:25 PM   #285
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I just answered that.

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first of all, you will address me as "sir".

second of all, i did not recognize your back-peddalin' pussy-footin' as an answer.
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Old 03-16-2006, 11:27 PM   #286
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Old 03-16-2006, 11:52 PM   #287
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first of all, you will address me as "sir".

second of all, i did not recognize your back-peddalin' pussy-footin' as an answer.
It's pretty funny watching him all "I answered you! I answered you!" When he fails to make any legitimate attempt to address the statement. He tries to circumvent, and then acts all "Well I answered your question."
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Old 03-17-2006, 04:10 AM   #288
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There's no point in going on. He wins...
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Old 03-17-2006, 10:13 AM   #289
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" Ooooh, I hates varmints!!! "
Silence. Don't be forum-asshole #638. It isn't funny or point producing.

Vermaat. New question:

In all your honesty, how will you react if WM 'breaks it' for the WWE?
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Old 03-17-2006, 10:38 AM   #290
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KK, I've persoanlly given up.
There's no point in going on. He wins...
It's so fun to mock him. His base premise is so off it's hilarious.
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Old 03-17-2006, 10:39 AM   #291
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Old 03-17-2006, 11:21 AM   #292
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Don't you have a discussion to impress yourself with?
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Old 03-17-2006, 11:28 AM   #293
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Old 03-17-2006, 11:52 AM   #294
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Old 03-17-2006, 12:26 PM   #295
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Old 03-17-2006, 12:28 PM   #296
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Old 03-17-2006, 12:34 PM   #297
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I gave up reading his drivel at page 6, so sorry if I go over any previously covered points.

WCW did not go out of business because it listened to it's fans. It went out of business because it didn't listen to it's fans. Bischoff and whoever else was running the show was listening to Hogan, Nash and a load of other prima donnas who thought that because they used to be big, they should be the focus of the show.

They kept the nWo around not because the fans were loving it. The fans stopped loving it but office thought "they liked it the first few times, why wouldn't they like it again?"

I think everyone who as replied in this thread has given decent enough reasons to the whole John Cena situation. UNBIASED opinions. But you are such a fanboy you are just determined to disagree with anybody who doesn't think Cena is the be-all-and-end-all of WWE.

Cena got MORE cheers after he lost the WWE title to Edge, not less. This is because the fans thought they were going to get a nice title chase, lot's of obstacles for him to overcome and prove his worth as WWE champion, much like Rock/Austin during their respective eras. (Rock wanting Triple H's title and having to go through DX; Austin wanting Rock's title and having to go through the Corporation.)

As far as I know (I may be wrong) as WWE's rating's have been steadily declining, TNA's have been steadily increasing. Granted, they are nowhere near the level of WWE yet, but all these "Fake fans" are real fans after all. Just because they are not watching WWE anymore doesn't mean they stopped watching wrestling.

Basically, fans are having the same crud stuffed down their throats week after week. What RVD told JBL at ECW ONS could very easily be said to John Cena.

Oh, and with regards to what the fans thought of the 619 at One Night Stand (I don't think anyone covered this) basically as soon as Psichosis was hung up on the middle rope and Rey started running, EVERYBODY booed. Not a few, EVERYBODY! Why? Because it is a boring, unrealistic, crappy move that everyone hates. (Compared to what it used to be.)

That is all.
































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Old 03-17-2006, 01:01 PM   #298
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WWE's ratings are stable for now.
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Old 03-17-2006, 01:39 PM   #299
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I didn't watch WCW, but I've talked to fans of WCW at school back then and I knew the general feeling of people. Besides, fans of WCW weren't that different from fans of WWE. It is pretty easy to deduce what they wanted without being one.
Are you kidding me? Rather than admit you were wrong, you're gonna serve up this bullshit souffle? In a relavent argument, you're going to use the logic of "Well, I talked to a few people..therefore, it's pretty easy to deduce what millions of fans wanted...even though I didn't watch WCW myself...or know anything about them." You have the logic of a garden gnome. Actually, you should get into politics...you could be President someday.



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I never said that WWE never makes mistakes.
No, you just won't admit when you're blatently wrong...even when you're caught with your pants down sodomizing a lie.


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A lie is something that is not a truth. What I have said is a truth.
VERMAAT FOR PRESIDENT 2020!!!



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He was responsible. It is not a lie to say that. But he was just one of the factors responsible, the other was WWE. Without WWE, ECW might still be here if there was no competitor like the WWE. There are no excuses, it was the WWE that ultimately put them out, even if it was due to mistakes of their owners. If the owners made the same mistakes but there were no WWE, they might still be around !!!
Again, you state your bullshit logic as fact and keep skating around the issue that this is NOT EVEN A TOPIC ABOUT OPINIONS!! It's a FACT that ECW was ruined by Paul Heyman. You keep ignoring the fact that WWE even admits this. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with your head? Vince made jokes all the time about running Bischoff and WCW out of business because they were direct competitors. AT NO TIME DID VINCE EVER DO THAT TO PAUL HEYMAN! The joke is that Paul screwed ECW. PAUL. WWE knows this and admits it, yet you continue to insist that your "fantasy" version is the fact. Again, just admit you're wrong. You might save a shred of respect. (although I'm sure it's too late.)

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As far as Eric Biscoff is concerned, WWE didn't really rub in that they put him out of business. They mentioned it, but mostly it was not a fact that they would remind everyone of all the time. It was mostly, Biscoff being treated as a regular heel.
What fucking program have you been watching? Again, this isn't even a topic of opinion you retard! This is something that actually happened..ALOT. Arguing otherwise just further proves you are SEVERELY out of touch with reality.
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Old 03-17-2006, 01:59 PM   #300
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Don't waste your time arguing with the troll. Just point and laugh like everyone (But Kalyx, too busy worshipping his "heel" ness) else.
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Old 03-17-2006, 02:05 PM   #301
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Old 03-17-2006, 02:34 PM   #303
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Don't waste your time arguing with the troll. Just point and laugh like everyone (But Kalyx, too busy worshipping his "heel" ness) else.
You're right KK. Getting this guy to admit he is wrong is like trying to get a quadrepligic kid to run a marathon.
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Old 03-17-2006, 03:21 PM   #307
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You're right KK. Getting this guy to admit he is wrong is like trying to get a quadrepligic kid to run a marathon.
Or, in a more appropriate comparison, trying to get a retarded kid to pass the SATs.
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Or, in a more appropriate comparison, trying to get a retarded kid to pass the SATs.


Better chance at getting Helen Keller to win an Easter Egg hunt.
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Old 03-17-2006, 04:08 PM   #310
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Wow... it's amazing that I actually sat through 8 pages of this, and I still fail to see the original poster's points.
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Wow... it's amazing that I actually sat through 8 pages of this, and I still fail to see the original poster's points.
You mean after his third reply you didn't figure out that he has no points?
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For those of you who are just joinining us, let me give you a few "highlights" of the debating skills from this threads creator...Vermaat. This should give you an idea of the mentality we're dealing with here and why noone can find the original point he was trying to make. Enjoy!

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Does this mean WWE sucked? Not really. It meant they were on the wrong road, and okay, it did mean they sucked a little in some areas. That doesn't mean they were sucking and you seem to misunderstand what I meant.
and......

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I never said WWE never makes mistakes. They do. There were other things going on that were right and entertaining, so they weren't sucking on the whole, but of any of those things were changing, they could have gotten to a point where they sucked. They did not.
and finally.....

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Also, I never said a true wrestling fan would still watch the WWE becaus even though the main event was faltering and they were ON the wrong road, they were not sucking per se. This is why TRUE wrestling fans would continue to watch for the things that didn't suck and support the company.

Clearly we are dealing with this generations version of Hemmingway.
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The sad thing is that that's a very true statement in this day and age. Relative to this generation's idea of "entertainment", anyway. Thankfully I never liked this generation's, well, anything.
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Wow, I go on vacation for five days and this is STILL going?

Well, Varmaat, I've browsed through this thread, and I still see you making the same hypocritical mistakes. Where the argument is against you, you accuse the poster of accepting rumor as fact, or of being biased, or of assuming things. However, where it helps your case, you do the exact same thing!

Your argument about the Cruisers, for example, bleeds of inconsistencies. You say that they are lazy. What PROOF do you have of this? By your own admission, you are using "logic" to deduce this. You reason that they work hard to get to the WWE, then get lazy because they've "made it." You act like this is the ONLY explanation for WWE Cruisers using less "innovative" moves.

What most people have brought up is that they have been limited. Rey's been limited too. Innovative? If he was truly being allowed to be innovative, he'd have cranked out a lot more than a 619. You're using ONE move to "prove" that a wrestler is innovative, when that move has been repeated for four yeasr on the WWE. What about Akio and his corkscrew moonsault? What about Paul London's dropsault into a moonsault splash on a second opponent? What about Jamie Noble doing that nifty sunset flip, catching on the opponents arms behind him, then spinning them into a standing flipping powerbomb? What about Nunzio's jumping armbar slam off the second rope? What about Kendrick's Sliced Bread #2?

I can call each and every one of those moves just as innovative as Rey Mysterio's 619, by your own terms. How come they don't count?

Why does your theory that they are being lazy (where you have no proof) is a "fact" and yet consistently reported news about wrestlers being limited must be false? Then you say Vince keeps them because he thinks they have potential.... WHAT?! That sounds like a child saying the sky is green, then when someone says "look, it's blue" he goes "God put a blue film over it." To the child, this may be logical, but to everyone else, it sounds assinine.

You say that the WWE only fires bad wrestlers, which of course explains why they've let people like Akio, Charlie Haas, and Sean O'Haire go--all wrestlers who have tremendous wrestling ability and a penchant for doing unique moves.

You say that Cena is a good rapper... and maybe in freestyling, he is, but his CD was regarded by most rap critics as in the lower echelon of all rap CD's released last year. In other words, rap fans who know what they're talking about agree that Cena's album pretty much sucked.

You claim that a small crowd can influence hundreds more to chant what they chant, using a psychological "sheep mentality" argument as proof. Again, you assume that people will chant just because others are doing so. YOu assume that if they don't, they feel awkward. Again, this has no basis. Your friends may do that (or not). You may do that (or not). But that does not mean everyone does that. If you conducted a formal exit poll of wrestling fans exiting an arena and got their opinions, THEN that would be proof (if they said what you said).

You argue that Mark Henry was the product of bad storylines. Nevermind he's been a sloopy worker and has injured other wrestlers (the latest being a botched splash on Batista a few months ago).

You're being quite technical, so I don't see why you think Rey shares no blame in the Eddie incident. Earlier, you build him up like he's the best guy in the biz (or one of the best). So if he was really fervently behind Eddie, why didn't he just refuse? Lose a job? If he's that big, wouldn't Vince be afraid to fire him? After all, by your words, he keeps other Cruisers because of potential. If he's willing to do that, why would he fire his best Cruiser (again in your words)? And even if he were to lose his job... he's a huge name. He could go to another fed and get paid just about as much. So the fact that he did this indicates a level of personal blame. I'm not saying Rey's evil, but you cannot say he shares zero blame in this.


In short, since I haven't the time to actually label every post, you have only made your own assertions based on your own opinions, but you've treated them as fact. They are only fact by YOUR logic, but everyone else here has disagreed with you. You may say that it's because only you know what you're talking about, but then you would only sound delusional.

You dismiss other people's (more valid) arguments when they don't help you, calling them ungrounded, yet you make the exact same types of statements (things that can be switched around with the same minimal effort) and say that you're right.

I don't know if you even realize your entire argument has no basis. Clearly, you are too stubborn to accept that you are, for most of your arguments, wrong. So you continue to post. Either that, or you're a troll with a lot of free time.
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