NFL 2005 Season Thread - Page 80

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-19-2006, 04:29 PM

I ment he still has something to prove in the playoffs, he has already proved he is one of the best running backs in the NFL but he hasn't shown much in the post season. I think he is going to need a big game againest the Panthers, Matt "We're gonna take the ball and score" Hasselbeck has always put up big numbers in playoff games but that hasn't always resulted in W's so I don't think the Seahawks can advance without a strong performance on the ground.

I was just looking threw this thread becuase I was gone for a week. One thing I saw was wondering how fast Watson was, I am pretty sure he ran a 4.4 at the combine and put up like 565 max bench press or something. Dude is a beast, he improved more and more as the season went along. This was really like his rookie year, he played like one game last year. So hopefully he continues to get better.

**Gonzo** · 01-19-2006, 04:46 PM

Yeah dude, the whole Pats > Your Team is pretty null. I mean yeah, they've been great the past 4 or 5 years or whatever. Fact is, they are out now and someone else is gonna be the champ. You don't see Cowboys or 9er's fans coming in and saying, greatest dynasty of the 80's, 90's or whatever making them better than anyones team.

**The Outlaw** · 01-19-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Monday Morning

That he can run for 50 yards or more in a playoff game would be a start. Also fumbling without being touched isn't much of a good thing.

Yeah, the fumble was kind of odd, he doesn't fumble a whole lot. Not sure how many yards he had against the Packers but scoring 3 TDs in a playoff game isn't too shabby.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-19-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

Yeah dude, the whole Pats > Your Team is pretty null. I mean yeah, they've been great the past 4 or 5 years or whatever. Fact is, they are out now and someone else is gonna be the champ. You don't see Cowboys or 9er's fans coming in and saying, greatest dynasty of the 80's, 90's or whatever making them better than anyones team.

lol It's not that serious. Obviously the Patriots never where the best team this season and they should have finished up much worse then they did. I just think its funny how people always stay stuff after the team loses, not just here but everywhere. I wonder where all these people where before the Broncos game? Its all good though, Patriots will be back.

**VonErich Lives** · 01-19-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

lol It's not that serious. Obviously the Patriots never where the best team this season and they should have finished up much worse then they did. I just think its funny how people always stay stuff after the team loses, not just here but everywhere. I wonder where all these people where before the Broncos game? Its all good though, Patriots will be back.

Dunno what you've been watching/listening too... but the Broncos are really getting no respect.

Everyone is on the whole the Pats gave the game away the Broncos didn't win it, heck even NFL network had some thing with NFL films the other night where they dissed the Broncos.

The Pats made turnovers, but the Broncos still had to capitalize on them.

I think they beat Pittsburg, simply because I think Shanahan is a better coach then Cower and will find a way.

**Gonzo** · 01-19-2006, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

lol It's not that serious. Obviously the Patriots never where the best team this season and they should have finished up much worse then they did. I just think its funny how people always stay stuff after the team loses, not just here but everywhere. I wonder where all these people where before the Broncos game? Its all good though, Patriots will be back.

Nah, I give the Pats huge props for getting as far as they did with so many key injuries. It was actually unbelievable. You can't deny they're the best team of this decade. I know what you mean though, with people jumping all over a team when they take a fall from grace.

Like, for me, the Giants did a lot better than I ever would have predicted, but they got stomped in the playoffs. Theres no two ways about that. People can say whatever they want, but next year, like the Pats, we'll be back.

**Skippord** · 01-20-2006, 01:13 AM

We're the Seahawks of the AFC

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-20-2006, 01:59 AM

If Denver can force 5 turnovers over again they'll be headed to the Superbowl. I dunno if they can do that or not. Steelers defense looked really impressive againest the Colts but the Bronco's offense is more effective on the ground so it wil be interesting to see what'll happen. I really don't know what to expect from this game. Even though I've never really liked Pittsburgh, I would like to see Bettis win a ring this year. A lot of people really discredited his worth when he was only coming in for short yardage a while back. Hes still a great running back, one of the greatest of all time. I was glad to see his career not end on that play on Sunday, he would have been the next Buckner. Nobody remembers him being a Buckner being a great player, he's only known for the bobbled ball.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-20-2006, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Skippord

We're the Seahawks of the AFC

All I have been hearing all year is how the Seahawk are underrated becuase they play on the west coast. I don't know, that theory works in other sports where the games are played at later times because of the time differences. In the NFL I really don't think it matters where you play. I've heard plenty about the Seahawks all season and continue to hear about them as they advance in the playoffs. I really don't get where this under the radar talk comes from.

**Skippord** · 01-20-2006, 02:08 AM

I think theres a bit of an east coast bias

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 01-20-2006, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

How do you figure? The 5 yard contact "re-enforcement" rule was put into place after Patriots defensive backs and linebackers where "roughing up" TEs and WRs.

tuck ruuuuuuuuuuuuule

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-20-2006, 04:01 AM

haha true true, but it wasn't like that rule was put into place on purpose to help the Patriots. The 5 yard contact rule was put in place to improve passing offense in the NFL - and at the time the Colts had the most prolific passing attack in the NFL.

RP · 01-20-2006, 04:18 AM

Are you trying to say that they are calling pass interference now and that they werent back then , but since the Colts bitched about it. Now they actually have to call pass interference? Is this what you are trying to say?

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 01-20-2006, 04:20 AM

Joey Porter is a moron though. It's not like the refs knocked the ball out of Polamalu's hand. How would they have screwed them then?

He must have something stuck up his ass.

**CNM** · 01-20-2006, 04:35 AM

He got shot in the ass a few years ago, does that count?

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-20-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder

Are you trying to say that they are calling pass interference now and that they werent back then , but since the Colts bitched about it. Now they actually have to call pass interference? Is this what you are trying to say?

No

The rule isn't pass interference, it's illegal contact. They are two different things, with different outcomes in terms of penalty yardage.

**BCWWF** · 01-20-2006, 01:54 PM

It looks as if Duante Culpepper might be wanting to get out of Minnesota now. After giving him a big raise last year (I think mainly in bonuses) he is asking for more, and the execs are just laughing in his face. It's kind of a mess, but he has been sketchy for a while now about his rehab and the new coaches.

We should trade him to New Orleans and take Matt Leinart off their hands

RP · 01-20-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

No

The rule isn't pass interference, it's illegal contact. They are two different things, with different outcomes in terms of penalty yardage.

You do realise that the illegal contact rule has been in place for many years and it wasnt just some rule placed to help the Colts out right? It wasnt being called and Mike Martz was actually the person who made the big deal about it after the Patriots won there first superbow. It had nothing to do with the Colts.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-20-2006, 05:59 PM

It was both Mike Martz and Tony Dungy on the rules committee that pushed for this. Yes I do realize its been in the rule book for years, but its kind of funny on the timing of wanting to "re-enforce" it. Saying it had nothing to do with the Colts is funny. The rule wasn't put into the place the year after the Patriots won their 1st Superbowl and beat the Rams. It was put into place after the Patriots won their 2nd Superbowl, which was the same playoffs that the Patriots beat the Colts. Which happend to be 2 seasons after the Patriots beat the Rams.

RP · 01-21-2006, 03:05 AM

Pass interference is pass interference. They put that rule in because it obviously wasnt being called. It was more of a marker for the refs to look for when calling pass interference. This absurd idea that the league wanted to help the Colts and Rams is ridiculous. The call wasnt being called and you know it.

**Gonzo** · 01-21-2006, 03:59 AM

It has nothing to do with the league wanting to help any team out. It has to do with certain coaches, of certain teams, pushing for a harsher enforcement of certain rules when it would be most convienent for them. No denying that. It has nothing to do with the league.

**AlphaBean** · 01-21-2006, 09:22 AM

By all means, let's call every single hold, too. Even when it's minor, or incidental. And tack on a 15 yarder for every celebration a player does. The rules are in place, they're just "conveniently" ignored to help with the flow of play!

But who wants that. I want to see Freeney get 53 sacks next year.

**VonErich Lives** · 01-21-2006, 12:51 PM

That's what it comes down to, the fine line between making the proper calls and "letting them play", there is always a push to "let them play" then eventually a team will complain.

Also, I think the contact v. pass interferance is confusing the 5yd bump rule with pass interferance.

Within 5yds of the line of scrimmage you can "bump" or "jamn" a WR or TE, you can't tackle them.

After the 5yds, unless your making a play on the ball or it's "incidental" such as both players looking at the ball and their feet tangle, it's interferance.

You have to "let them play" to an extent, but taking a WR or DB out of a play should be called, all this soft stuff should be let go.

The complaints were coming from St. Louis and the Colts the two teams who had recent big losses to the Patriots, the Steelers didn't complain simply because they play physical the same way, where the two "Dome Teams" were all on timing patters and "track teams" so to speak. I don't fault them for it.

RP - as we discussed before, the last time there was a "focus" on reinforcing that rule was the season when Dan Marino set that TD record, so it's kinda funny that the two seasons where QB's threw for the most TD's were when the league was focusing on that rule.

and as time goes by it will become lax'd again, every year the Refs target a different rule they "bring it back to basics" so to speak and call everything, it gets everyone to pay attention and then they slowly lax the rule again and then down the road when it's really being abused they push it again to bring people back in.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-21-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder

Pass interference is pass interference. They put that rule in because it obviously wasnt being called. It was more of a marker for the refs to look for when calling pass interference. This absurd idea that the league wanted to help the Colts and Rams is ridiculous. The call wasnt being called and you know it.

Pass interference is a different rule. You're a DB, you breathe on a wide out 6 yards down the field its a 5 yard penalty and automatic first down, even if QB has no intention of throwing the ball to that WR.

Pass interference is when you make a play on a ball before the ball gets there, so yeah, pass interference is pass interference.

**punt** · 01-22-2006, 12:20 AM

Yes, but that receiver who has been "breathed on" may not be the primary receiver. However, if the QB starts to scramble, that receiver may be #2, #3, etc. If he is bumped out of position, it could affect the end result of the play.

**AlphaBean** · 01-22-2006, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by punt

Yes, but that receiver who has been "breathed on" may not be the primary receiver. However, if the QB starts to scramble, that receiver may be #2, #3, etc. If he is bumped out of position, it could affect the end result of the play.

So could a ref getting in the way, a WR stumbling on the turf, or a cramp. I don't see your point. Whether it's the #1 or the slot, the rule is just as gay. All you gotta do to succeed in the NFL is be a track athlete.

Michael Bennett desperately needs to go to WR. He would dominate like Steve Smith.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-22-2006, 01:44 AM

I guess I should rephraze what I said earlier too. I don't think the NFL wants The Colts to be the Superbowl champion or something. I just think the NFL wants teams like the Colts to win, with flashy passing attacks and shit like that, so they try to give teams like that every advantage possible. Everyone always says "Defense wins Superbowls" but everytime a team a defensive struggle, people say the game is boring.

**Skippord** · 01-22-2006, 02:05 AM

My favorite Part of Football is Defense

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-22-2006, 02:43 AM

Ask anyone the worst Superbowls, they probably say Ravens vs Giants a few years ago, Ravens D was sick. Or Bears vs the Patriots Superbowl 20 when the Bears ridiculous defense murdered the Patriots.

**VonErich Lives** · 01-22-2006, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

I guess I should rephraze what I said earlier too. I don't think the NFL wants The Colts to be the Superbowl champion or something. I just think the NFL wants teams like the Colts to win, with flashy passing attacks and shit like that, so they try to give teams like that every advantage possible. Everyone always says "Defense wins Superbowls" but everytime a team a defensive struggle, people say the game is boring.

The NFL even says every year they "focus" on a different rule, typically they have something to do w/ flow of game or player saftey... such as a few years ago where if you looked at a QB the wrong way the threw a flag, or they'd call in the grasp before the QB was touched.

it's a cycle, the rules will get lax'd again and then 20yrs from now they'll clamp down again and whoever is the hot QB will break Mannings record like he did Marinos.

**punt** · 01-22-2006, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaBean

All you gotta do to succeed in the NFL is be a track athlete.

Tell that to Ronaldo Nehemiah.

**AlphaBean** · 01-22-2006, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by punt

Tell that to Ronaldo Nehemiah.

Who?

I'm not being literal, of course; but if in the course of the rules being enforced, receivers can go without being touched... then we will see a lot less "football" players on a football field, and more "athletes." As Joey Porter said.

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 01-22-2006, 02:05 PM

yeah but you're forgetting Joey Porter is a retard

**AlphaBean** · 01-22-2006, 02:37 PM

A retard in the AFC championship game, no less.

**punt** · 01-22-2006, 03:27 PM

I have something to say before this game starts .......................

GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**FearedSanctity** · 01-22-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by punt

I have something to say before this game starts .......................

GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**punt** · 01-22-2006, 04:42 PM

3-0 Pittsburgh at the end of 1

Steelers score - 10-0

GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**BCWWF** · 01-22-2006, 04:50 PM

I just don't really give a shit about this game

**punt** · 01-22-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FearedSanctity

I suck my thumb

**punt** · 01-22-2006, 05:19 PM

THE BUS in for 6 .................

Steelers 17-3

GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

01-19-2006, 04:29 PM	#3161
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I ment he still has something to prove in the playoffs, he has already proved he is one of the best running backs in the NFL but he hasn't shown much in the post season. I think he is going to need a big game againest the Panthers, Matt "We're gonna take the ball and score" Hasselbeck has always put up big numbers in playoff games but that hasn't always resulted in W's so I don't think the Seahawks can advance without a strong performance on the ground. I was just looking threw this thread becuase I was gone for a week. One thing I saw was wondering how fast Watson was, I am pretty sure he ran a 4.4 at the combine and put up like 565 max bench press or something. Dude is a beast, he improved more and more as the season went along. This was really like his rookie year, he played like one game last year. So hopefully he continues to get better.

01-19-2006, 04:46 PM	#3162
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	Yeah dude, the whole Pats > Your Team is pretty null. I mean yeah, they've been great the past 4 or 5 years or whatever. Fact is, they are out now and someone else is gonna be the champ. You don't see Cowboys or 9er's fans coming in and saying, greatest dynasty of the 80's, 90's or whatever making them better than anyones team.

01-20-2006, 01:13 AM	#3167
Skippord I'm Mr. White Christmas Posts: 44,526	We're the Seahawks of the AFC

01-20-2006, 01:59 AM	#3168
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	If Denver can force 5 turnovers over again they'll be headed to the Superbowl. I dunno if they can do that or not. Steelers defense looked really impressive againest the Colts but the Bronco's offense is more effective on the ground so it wil be interesting to see what'll happen. I really don't know what to expect from this game. Even though I've never really liked Pittsburgh, I would like to see Bettis win a ring this year. A lot of people really discredited his worth when he was only coming in for short yardage a while back. Hes still a great running back, one of the greatest of all time. I was glad to see his career not end on that play on Sunday, he would have been the next Buckner. Nobody remembers him being a Buckner being a great player, he's only known for the bobbled ball.

01-20-2006, 02:08 AM	#3170
Skippord I'm Mr. White Christmas Posts: 44,526	I think theres a bit of an east coast bias

01-20-2006, 04:01 AM	#3172
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	haha true true, but it wasn't like that rule was put into place on purpose to help the Patriots. The 5 yard contact rule was put in place to improve passing offense in the NFL - and at the time the Colts had the most prolific passing attack in the NFL.

01-20-2006, 04:18 AM	#3173
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,993	Are you trying to say that they are calling pass interference now and that they werent back then , but since the Colts bitched about it. Now they actually have to call pass interference? Is this what you are trying to say?

01-20-2006, 04:20 AM	#3174
Supreme Olajuwon You know that�s right Posts: 52,765	Joey Porter is a moron though. It's not like the refs knocked the ball out of Polamalu's hand. How would they have screwed them then? He must have something stuck up his ass.

01-20-2006, 04:35 AM	#3175
CNM Posts: 2,540	He got shot in the ass a few years ago, does that count?

01-20-2006, 01:54 PM	#3177
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	It looks as if Duante Culpepper might be wanting to get out of Minnesota now. After giving him a big raise last year (I think mainly in bonuses) he is asking for more, and the execs are just laughing in his face. It's kind of a mess, but he has been sketchy for a while now about his rehab and the new coaches. We should trade him to New Orleans and take Matt Leinart off their hands

01-20-2006, 05:59 PM	#3179
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	It was both Mike Martz and Tony Dungy on the rules committee that pushed for this. Yes I do realize its been in the rule book for years, but its kind of funny on the timing of wanting to "re-enforce" it. Saying it had nothing to do with the Colts is funny. The rule wasn't put into the place the year after the Patriots won their 1st Superbowl and beat the Rams. It was put into place after the Patriots won their 2nd Superbowl, which was the same playoffs that the Patriots beat the Colts. Which happend to be 2 seasons after the Patriots beat the Rams.

01-21-2006, 03:05 AM	#3180
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,993	Pass interference is pass interference. They put that rule in because it obviously wasnt being called. It was more of a marker for the refs to look for when calling pass interference. This absurd idea that the league wanted to help the Colts and Rams is ridiculous. The call wasnt being called and you know it.

01-21-2006, 03:59 AM	#3181
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	It has nothing to do with the league wanting to help any team out. It has to do with certain coaches, of certain teams, pushing for a harsher enforcement of certain rules when it would be most convienent for them. No denying that. It has nothing to do with the league.

01-21-2006, 09:22 AM	#3182
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	By all means, let's call every single hold, too. Even when it's minor, or incidental. And tack on a 15 yarder for every celebration a player does. The rules are in place, they're just "conveniently" ignored to help with the flow of play! But who wants that. I want to see Freeney get 53 sacks next year.

01-21-2006, 12:51 PM	#3183
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	That's what it comes down to, the fine line between making the proper calls and "letting them play", there is always a push to "let them play" then eventually a team will complain. Also, I think the contact v. pass interferance is confusing the 5yd bump rule with pass interferance. Within 5yds of the line of scrimmage you can "bump" or "jamn" a WR or TE, you can't tackle them. After the 5yds, unless your making a play on the ball or it's "incidental" such as both players looking at the ball and their feet tangle, it's interferance. You have to "let them play" to an extent, but taking a WR or DB out of a play should be called, all this soft stuff should be let go. The complaints were coming from St. Louis and the Colts the two teams who had recent big losses to the Patriots, the Steelers didn't complain simply because they play physical the same way, where the two "Dome Teams" were all on timing patters and "track teams" so to speak. I don't fault them for it. RP - as we discussed before, the last time there was a "focus" on reinforcing that rule was the season when Dan Marino set that TD record, so it's kinda funny that the two seasons where QB's threw for the most TD's were when the league was focusing on that rule. and as time goes by it will become lax'd again, every year the Refs target a different rule they "bring it back to basics" so to speak and call everything, it gets everyone to pay attention and then they slowly lax the rule again and then down the road when it's really being abused they push it again to bring people back in.

01-22-2006, 12:20 AM	#3185
punt Lynn Swann for Gov! Posts: 619	Yes, but that receiver who has been "breathed on" may not be the primary receiver. However, if the QB starts to scramble, that receiver may be #2, #3, etc. If he is bumped out of position, it could affect the end result of the play.

01-22-2006, 01:44 AM	#3187
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I guess I should rephraze what I said earlier too. I don't think the NFL wants The Colts to be the Superbowl champion or something. I just think the NFL wants teams like the Colts to win, with flashy passing attacks and shit like that, so they try to give teams like that every advantage possible. Everyone always says "Defense wins Superbowls" but everytime a team a defensive struggle, people say the game is boring.

01-22-2006, 02:05 AM	#3188
Skippord I'm Mr. White Christmas Posts: 44,526	My favorite Part of Football is Defense

01-22-2006, 02:43 AM	#3189
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Ask anyone the worst Superbowls, they probably say Ravens vs Giants a few years ago, Ravens D was sick. Or Bears vs the Patriots Superbowl 20 when the Bears ridiculous defense murdered the Patriots.

01-22-2006, 02:05 PM	#3193
Supreme Olajuwon You know that�s right Posts: 52,765	yeah but you're forgetting Joey Porter is a retard

01-22-2006, 02:37 PM	#3194
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	A retard in the AFC championship game, no less.

01-22-2006, 03:27 PM	#3195
punt Lynn Swann for Gov! Posts: 619	I have something to say before this game starts ....................... GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

01-22-2006, 04:42 PM	#3197
punt Lynn Swann for Gov! Posts: 619	3-0 Pittsburgh at the end of 1 Steelers score - 10-0 GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

01-22-2006, 04:50 PM	#3198
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I just don't really give a shit about this game

01-22-2006, 05:19 PM	#3200
punt Lynn Swann for Gov! Posts: 619	THE BUS in for 6 ................. Steelers 17-3 GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!