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Old 03-01-2011, 12:39 AM   #321
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:40 AM   #322
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Like I said, when he says challenges, I take it as things he hasn't accomplished. People he hasn't beat. Has nothing to do with how strong the people in the back are.

He has beaten everyone in the back. The streak is the only challenge he has yet to overcome.

Seriously, how am I the only person seeing this?
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:41 AM   #323
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He basically said he was above everyone else. C'mon
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:41 AM   #324
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In the long run, it is not like fans who aren't on the internet are going to remember the one line and never buy into anyone else ever again. Yeah, Sheamus was buried, and it is a sheam, but the damage can be reversed quite easily. We just like to gripe about it happening needlessly in the first place.
Well i'm reacting as I go. Just because it probably will get better eventually dfoesn't mean I'm j just gonna sit and ignore how bad it's going right now. It was just a really over the top bad show, like worst I've seen in years
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:41 AM   #325
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So they did some sort of 'inside joke' by having a 10man tag match wearing Lakers & Nuggets jerseys.
No. It was all over ESPN and shit all week. Vince McMahon was on TV overdrive that week. He was in the right, since obviously Denver's owner didn't believe his team would make the playoffs but Vince went overly dickish on it and proved to everybody who wants to hate him why they hate him.
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:45 AM   #326
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Fig, to me it's not what he said. It's all about the booking to me. I agree with what your're saying. To me, it's the fact they were needlessly burying stars all over the place.

Could they not have given HHH/Sheamus a go away match to main event a Raw?

Could they not have someone like Santino, or DH Smith, or any other jobber come out for a match and get destroyed by Miz, not the current US Champion?

Stuff like that
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Well i'm reacting as I go. Just because it probably will get better eventually dfoesn't mean I'm j just gonna sit and ignore how bad it's going right now. It was just a really over the top bad show, like worst I've seen in years
As a diplomat, I try to strike a balance between IWC fans who "live in the moment" and IWC fans who "look towards a better and brighter future...... hopefully".
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HHH did bury the roster there, but he's probably not wrong though.

I don't really care about the burying of Sheamus, because I would rather see Undertaker/HHH anyway.
You can have UT/HHH without burying Shamus.
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He basically said he was above everyone else. C'mon
He IS above everyone else. Read what I said earlier. Most fans (not IWC fans) view HHH and Taker on a higher level. And they are facing off in the marquee match of this year's wrestlemania. It is THE match of wrestlemania. Of fucking course they are going to bill triple h and taker as being a bigger deal than everyone else. It's common sense.

And it doesn't make Cena or Orton or anyone look any weaker, because like I said, the fans already have it in their head that HHH and Taker are the best.
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:48 AM   #331
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Honestly they should bury Sheamus because Sheamus isn't that good.
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Yeah but that's the big thing "hopefully" there's no guarantee they fix anything.
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:49 AM   #333
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He IS above everyone else. Read what I said earlier. Most fans (not IWC fans) view HHH and Taker on a higher level. And they are facing off in the marquee match of this year's wrestlemania. It is THE match of wrestlemania. Of fucking course they are going to bill triple h and taker as being a bigger deal than everyone else. It's common sense.

And it doesn't make Cena or Orton or anyone look any weaker, because like I said, the fans already have it in their head that HHH and Taker are the best.
He is better then everyone else. Everyone else all ready knows that. So why does he have to say that? It was some burying being done.

It's fine with me though.
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:51 AM   #334
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Or these series of losses and embarrassments Sheamus has suffered can lead to him snapping, so to speak and going on a tear, giving him more depth than "rawr I'm a celtic warrior, fella!"

Frankly, I'm glad to see Sheamus put in this position and have to work back up. I never thought he deserved to be champion so quick anyway.
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Honestly they should bury Sheamus because Sheamus isn't that good.
Oh really? He had a match of the year candidate with John Morrison, is a two time champion and come out on top in feuds with Orton, Cena and HHH. Like him or not, they managed to book him strongly as one of the top heels in the entire industry...And people bought into it too.
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Like I said, when he says challenges, I take it as things he hasn't accomplished. People he hasn't beat. Has nothing to do with how strong the people in the back are.

He has beaten everyone in the back. The streak is the only challenge he has yet to overcome.

Seriously, how am I the only person seeing this?
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He IS above everyone else. Read what I said earlier. Most fans (not IWC fans) view HHH and Taker on a higher level. And they are facing off in the marquee match of this year's wrestlemania. It is THE match of wrestlemania. Of fucking course they are going to bill triple h and taker as being a bigger deal than everyone else. It's common sense.

And it doesn't make Cena or Orton or anyone look any weaker, because like I said, the fans already have it in their head that HHH and Taker are the best.
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They've booked a lot of people strongly who are not that good.
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Sheamus has gone down fast and hard. Thedamndest must be pretty excited by this.
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Ok, defend though the fact that your US Champion AND IC Champion have NO feuds right now... None. Daniel Bryan hasn't had ANY in what four months? Five months?

And the one match Bryan has had time to actually perform in perhaps the only time since he's been re-hired, went down the tubes when they had The Miz jump him and absolutely destroy him. You could have had 20 other WWE wrestlers be that guy, but they choose someone who's SUPPOSED to be one of the more upper echelon guys on the roster.

And I have no idea how you can say Sheamus isn't good. The guy was money with Morrison and from what I read, was maybe the best performer in the EC match two weeks ago.
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Ok, defend though the fact that your US Champion AND IC Champion have NO feuds right now... None. Daniel Bryan hasn't had ANY in what four months? Five months?

And the one match Bryan has had time to actually perform in perhaps the only time since he's been re-hired, went down the tubes when they had The Miz jump him and absolutely destroy him. You could have had 20 other WWE wrestlers be that guy, but they choose someone who's SUPPOSED to be one of the more upper echelon guys on the roster.

And I have no idea how you can say Sheamus isn't good. The guy was money with Morrison and from what I read, was maybe the best performer in the EC match two weeks ago.
Why should I defend that? Nobody here is saying everything is fine. We're just saying that many of the specific things mentioned in this thread were ridiculous if not outright contradictory.
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Old 03-01-2011, 01:07 AM   #343
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I could still see Sheamus somehow get involved in the Taker-Triple H feud that could force Triple H into one last feud with Sheamus after Mania.

Triple H didn't specifically say he was retiring at Mania even though he promised someone would get "killed".

It would be tough to do since it would have to occur after Mania and WWE wouldn't want to have a Triple Threat for the streak nor affect it that makes it seem like Taker is getting help in softening Triple H.
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Easy on the burying there, HHH.
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lol Sheamus was not the best performer in the EC.

And his MOTY candidate had a lot more to do with Morrisons's talent than his own.

I don't think Sheamus is a bad wrestler. I just think he belongs in the upper midcard at best.
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And the one match Bryan has had time to actually perform in perhaps the only time since he's been re-hired, went down the tubes when they had The Miz jump him and absolutely destroy him.
Come on now. He had MATCH OF THE YEAR vs Dolph Ziggler at a PPV and he has had several ppv matches.
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Wasn't he in a tag match against the world champion two weeks ago? Didn't he win that?
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Old 03-01-2011, 01:25 AM   #348
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Wasn't he in a tag match against the world champion two weeks ago? Didn't he win that?
They didn't tap out and pay for his lunch, so it doesn't count.
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Old 03-01-2011, 01:59 AM   #349
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You know, at this point why even involve The Miz?

I mean I love The Rock... LOVE him. Yabba Dabba Bitch? Awesome! But why put The Miz in the middle of what could be a Main Event match at WrestleMania? It's a real waste.

You could have had a Miz/Morrison WrestleMania feud, and let two youngens get the rub with the WWE Title on the line. Rock promos aside, the booking here is just HORRID!
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I'm pretty sure it's because Rock doesn't want to wrestle, not because they didn't think about it.
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The Miz is getting the rub of his life right now. I don't see a problem with that
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To be perfectly honest, I don't think The Rock's promo was very good tonight. Granted - it wasn't "horrible"....but I got the impression that he was trying TOO hard to impress the crowd...and get the crowd to like him. Eventually - if The Rock gets the fans to chant "and millions" too many times, I think it could have an adverse effect. The Rock making constant references to the fans being "his backbone" is a little too obsequious.

Now - don't get me wrong.

1) I absolutely LOVED The Rock's promo from 2 weeks ago, and marked out big time.
2) I loved certain parts of The Rock's promo tonight (i.e. the Yabba dabba bitch line)

However - I just don't think this was The Rock's best outing..


While Cena's mic work towards The Miz/Riley wasn't that good tonight either, I WILL admit that Cena's rap towards The Rock last week was AWESOME. Many people on here will have difficulty admitting it, but Cena completely owned The Rock last week.
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Like I said, when he says challenges, I take it as things he hasn't accomplished. People he hasn't beat. Has nothing to do with how strong the people in the back are.

He has beaten everyone in the back. The streak is the only challenge he has yet to overcome.

Seriously, how am I the only person seeing this?
This is also what I took from it.
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To be perfectly honest, I don't think The Rock's promo was very good tonight. Granted - it wasn't "horrible"....but I got the impression that he was trying TOO hard to impress the crowd...and get the crowd to like him. Eventually - if The Rock gets the fans to chant "and millions" too many times, I think it could have an adverse effect. The Rock making constant references to the fans being "his backbone" is a little too obsequious.

Now - don't get me wrong.

1) I absolutely LOVED The Rock's promo from 2 weeks ago, and marked out big time.
2) I loved certain parts of The Rock's promo tonight (i.e. the Yabba dabba bitch line)

However - I just don't think this was The Rock's best outing..


While Cena's mic work towards The Miz/Riley wasn't that good tonight either, I WILL admit that Cena's rap towards The Rock last week was AWESOME. Many people on here will have difficulty admitting it, but Cena completely owned The Rock last week.
I'm not sure if I could disagree with you more.
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I've been loving the WWE recently. They are really getting me excited for WrestleMania. Totally did not see Swagger coming as Cole's coach. This is a huge heel boost for Swagger. I'm predicting Vickie Guerrero to be the Special Guest Referee, just to boost heat for everything.

I haven't seen the segment yet, but the Sheamus stuff accomplishes a few things: It addresses the past. Sheamus took out Triple H. He came back to gloat, but Triple H knew what was coming and showed the WWE Universe (I hate that term, but we're talking the story here) that he has become a different Game. No more getting beat-down by Sheamus, as talented as he is. Triple H showed he is intense, focused and ready to take on "The Last Outlaw."

From that, they got Evan Bourne over. He followed a Triple H segment, and beat a former two-time WWE Champion with his finishing move in less than a minute. That helps Bourne more than it hurts the beat-down Sheamus. The WWE is building their armory up heading into this year's Mania.

Also, and while this probably won't be mentioned, I find it interesting that both Sheamus and Daniel Bryan were beaten-down before their matches -- yet Sheamus was forced to wrestle his and Bryan wasn't. It's very little, but Sheamus has room to bitch about Bryan there, and further his tension with him.

This also works with my working theory that Stephanie McMahon will be revealed as the General Manager of RAW. I don't know when I came to this conclusion, but I don't think it would betray anything established in the story -- and would explain favouritism against Sheamus.
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To be perfectly honest, I don't think The Rock's promo was very good tonight. Granted - it wasn't "horrible"....but I got the impression that he was trying TOO hard to impress the crowd...and get the crowd to like him. Eventually - if The Rock gets the fans to chant "and millions" too many times, I think it could have an adverse effect. The Rock making constant references to the fans being "his backbone" is a little too obsequious.

Now - don't get me wrong.

1) I absolutely LOVED The Rock's promo from 2 weeks ago, and marked out big time.
2) I loved certain parts of The Rock's promo tonight (i.e. the Yabba dabba bitch line)

However - I just don't think this was The Rock's best outing..


While Cena's mic work towards The Miz/Riley wasn't that good tonight either, I WILL admit that Cena's rap towards The Rock last week was AWESOME. Many people on here will have difficulty admitting it, but Cena completely owned The Rock last week.
I wasn't paying much attention to Raw so I didn't really catch the promo but I will say your feelings probably stems mostly from the fact that he wasn't live and it doesn't give the same effect. It's like you have him live for the first time in a long time and he gives a great promo and the crowd is electrified then the next time you see him it's on a screen on your screen so you can watch while you watch.
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Apparently according to WWE.com we could have had a Daniel Bryan/William Regal match last night...dang it.
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I wasn't paying much attention to Raw so I didn't really catch the promo but I will say your feelings probably stems mostly from the fact that he wasn't live and it doesn't give the same effect. It's like you have him live for the first time in a long time and he gives a great promo and the crowd is electrified then the next time you see him it's on a screen on your screen so you can watch while you watch.
Fair enough.

Still - I don't think The Rock really "killed it" with his promo last night. Maybe it's just me, but I thought he came across as a bit foolish. Like I said - the 'yabba dabba' line was pretty cool in my opinion, but I just didn't find The Rock's imitation of Cena to be all that hilarious.

That's why I was a bit surprised to read some of the comments in this thread about how awesome The Rock was.....and how he schooled Cena. I was also surprised at how not too many people have commented on the fact that Cena's rap towards The Rock last week was very effective.
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