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Old 12-16-2004, 11:19 PM   #321
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The Dodgers are really fucking up their team. Especially if they let Beltre and Green go
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Old 12-16-2004, 11:28 PM   #322
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Isn't it like the Dodgers gimmick to never be good though?
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Old 12-17-2004, 12:37 AM   #323
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Yeah seriously...Where did Seattle get all this money?

Too bad Pedro had to leave, but the Mets gave him way too much..why wouldn't he take it? 4 years 56 mil, plus he won the ring he was after. Mets still won't be very good. I bet he is going to be more controling then he ever was though. Like demanding to get to leave early on the all star break to go the Dominican and all that. He did it with the Sox, but I have a feeling its going to be even worse now that he is with a new team, and new managment. The Mets manager is a "Torre guy" or some shit too though, so it should be intresting.
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Old 12-17-2004, 12:39 AM   #324
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Red Sox get Renteria, and now they will be able to shop their top prospect around. I guess every shortstop in the system is good though. Atleat thats i've been hearing. Like the Top Triple A prospect, Top Double A, etc are all shortstops.
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Old 12-17-2004, 02:15 AM   #325
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Well now the Randy Johnson trade is put on hold cuz Shawn Green loves LA and doesn't want to leave. And thats pretty important when you have a no-trade clause.

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Old 12-17-2004, 02:24 AM   #326
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If Boston has all these good prospects, why not use them and spend their money on a position they need instead of buy expensive players and trade their prospects? I hate to say it, but Renteria isn't a god people. He really just had an average season last year.
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Old 12-17-2004, 03:50 AM   #327
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If Boston has all these good prospects, why not use them and spend their money on a position they need instead of buy expensive players and trade their prospects? I hate to say it, but Renteria isn't a god people. He really just had an average season last year.
Everyone here is happy to have him, he's a good fit for the Red Sox, but just about everyone think the Sox overpayed for him and might have better better spending less 5-7mil range to bring back OC.
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Old 12-17-2004, 04:19 AM   #328
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Well now the Randy Johnson trade is put on hold cuz Shawn Green loves LA and doesn't want to leave. And thats pretty important when you have a no-trade clause.

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I heard that Johnson was happy with the move the D'Backs have made recently to improve the team (despite their spendhappy ways, at least the way I see it) and if the D'Backs office types give him a good extension, he'd ink it.
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Old 12-17-2004, 08:46 PM   #329
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Old 12-17-2004, 08:58 PM   #330
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Yeah seriously...Where did Seattle get all this money?
Yeah how are the Red Sox and Yankees gonna compete

Seriously though, there's a little more cash now with Edgar, Olerud, Aurilia, and Guardado all gone when our payroll wasn't very high in the first place.
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Matt Clement has agreed to a 3-year contract with the Red Sox, thought to be in the range of $25 million
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Old 12-18-2004, 12:22 AM   #332
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Yeah guys. Seattle has like 93 million or something worth of payroll to play with. Look at the team before these past two signings. Do you see a 90 million payroll? =P Obviously they had money to spend, plus the new head office is finally realizing that they have to spend a bit more to be competitive. Still lacking in pitching. =\

Clement to the sox now? Interesting.
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What?

I never said anything about Red Sox or Yankees? I was just saying it seems kinda weird they signing all these guys this year. Like did they just have this money last year and not use it? I didn't think they dumped too much salary in the off season.

They could either be really nasty this year, or be like Baltimore. I think they will be good though, but that is kinda a "blind" prediction since I don't know too much about Seattles roster other then the new pickups.
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Old 12-18-2004, 12:41 AM   #334
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Wait, I thought Guardado was still on the Mariners?
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Nice, they almost traded Lowe for Clement last year anyway. So this is pretty much the samething
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Old 12-18-2004, 07:10 AM   #336
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Clement looks like a good deal.

So, "when healthy"

Schilling, Wells, Clement, Arrojo, Wakefield.

I don't think that will be the order, but not a bad 5.

Sox still need to either do something w/ Teck or make another hitting move.
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Old 12-18-2004, 01:43 PM   #337
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Well I'M hearing the deal is also done

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Old 12-18-2004, 01:45 PM   #338
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I'd prefer Greene to exercise his no trade clause and the Yankee's give up somebody legit
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Old 12-18-2004, 02:41 PM   #339
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Yeah, Vazquez for the Unit is basically crap.

Seattle wasn't using much money as it was, and then the players Miz mentioned are gone so they have even more money to use.
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Old 12-18-2004, 02:43 PM   #340
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Well, there has to be money involved with this also. Like the Yankees are giving the D Backs Vazquez and cash. Cause it's a really uneven trade.
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Also Pedro has been speaking up about Boston's management and whatnot. Said he loves the fans and Boston is still home but the F.O. was pathetic.
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yeah, haven't ready Fridays herald yet, but he trashed the front office and schilling, and in todays schilling responded.

Pedro took the money, this crap that "I gave the sox a chance to respect me" bullshit.

He wanted a gaurenteed 3rd, they gave it, he came back and asked for a 4th and they said... cya!

Also, I the Unit trade I heard the Yanks gave up 2 prospects, one I think is a catcher that's supposed to be pretty good.
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He didn't really trash Schilling. He just said he felt that he should have been over Schilling. Said he was 32 and Schilling was 39 and he's been pitching better or something of the like. But yeah he trashed the front office. Seems like everyone does that leaves Boston though.
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I don't care if he trashes the front office. He said a respected the fans so whatever. Its between him and front office I really don't care. He did his job while he was here, he pitched well and won a ring while he was here. So he can trash the front office all he wants, I'm not a member of the front office haha

Schilling got mad because Francona is his boy, and Pedro talked junk about Francona. Schilling tried to say something about how he didn't like how he talked smack about Theo, but really it was because Pedro brought up Francona.
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Yeah he basically said the front office interfered in Francona's managing. Said he had no say so whatsoever.

Yeah I agree though, if people talk stuff about Pedro because he trashed the front office, it will be retarded.
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The Yankees are stupid if they are giving up a good catching prospect, especially if he is a year or two away. Deal away with Posada, he is no good anymore. Trade Posada and Vazquez for pitching, sign AJ Pierzynski off waivers for the year, and then bring up their prospect.
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HOLY SHIT!

The Cardinals get:
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Now thats nuts. These moneyball guys are really going whacko.
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WTF are the A'S DOING? Jesus Christ.
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Old 12-18-2004, 07:44 PM   #353
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The Oakland Athletics continued to wheel and deal Saturday, sending starting pitcher Mark Mulder to the St. Louis Cardinals for pitchers Danny Haren, Kiko Calero and catcher Daric Barton, ESPN's Peter Gammons has learned.


The A's have dealt two of their vaunted "Big Three" starting pitchers in the past three days, having sent Tim Husdson to Atlanta on Thursday for a package of outfielder Charles Thomas and pitchers Juan Cruz and Dan Meyer.


Mulder, the A's first-round pick in 1998 (second overall) was 17-8 lastr season but saw his ERA baloon from 3.13 to 4.43. The left-hander won 21 games in 2001 and finished second in AL Cy Young voting that season, but has been sidelined for three or more starts in two of the past three seasons.


Haren, a hard-throwing 24-year-old right-hander was stellar in the postseason, giving up two earned runs in 8 1-3 innings.
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Old 12-18-2004, 07:45 PM   #354
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Well, there has to be money involved with this also. Like the Yankees are giving the D Backs Vazquez and cash. Cause it's a really uneven trade.
Not the Dbacks. the Dodgers. Apparently its gonna be more complicated than what it is. The Dodgers want to dump Kaz Ishii's contract onto the Yanks and then get another reliever from the Dbacks (koplove). Then, they have to convince the Dbacks to give Green a contract extension. Otherwise, there is no way Green will accept the trade. Dodgers are basically holding up the trade because they want to make sure they have other options open in addition to clearing bad contracts. So Dodgers get Vazquez, Koplove and 2 Yankee prospects, Dbacks get Green, Penny, Brazoban and another Dodger prospect and Yanks get Johnson and Ishii. But again.. not official
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Old 12-18-2004, 07:46 PM   #355
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Oh. Kaz to the Yanks. I like him
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Old 12-18-2004, 07:48 PM   #357
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Old 12-18-2004, 07:49 PM   #358
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Kaz is okay but he's inconsistent. He can walk like 8 batters in 3 innings one start and then pull a shutout the next.
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Old 12-18-2004, 07:56 PM   #359
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well, I heard Barton was pretty dam good. And Haren might be special. I guess the A's are shooting to be good in 2006 and screwing 2005.
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