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Old 04-02-2007, 04:43 AM   #321
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Old 04-02-2007, 05:16 AM   #322
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They usually release more tickets on the day of the show, and it the day or two preceding it when all their production needs are determined and finalised... still an extra 5000 is a lot.
I'm aware. In any case, pretty much every attendance figure at nearly every wrestling show, from WWE down to the lowliest indy, is exaggerated. So even with newly released tickets, I doubt the number is accurate.
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Old 04-02-2007, 05:54 AM   #323
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Thing is, being a public limited company and all, don't their figures have to be 100% accurate nowadays?

I mean in 1987, they could have said that there were 250,000 people in there with no fear of reprisals. But in 2007, surely stating there are more paying customers at a venue than there are could be conceived as misrepresentation of the success of their company?
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Old 04-02-2007, 05:54 AM   #324
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I thought it was a decent WrestleMania. Nothing spectacular, but it was entertaining.
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Old 04-02-2007, 06:00 AM   #325
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Thing is, being a public limited company and all, don't their figures have to be 100% accurate nowadays?

I mean in 1987, they could have said that there were 250,000 people in there with no fear of reprisals. But in 2007, surely stating there are more paying customers at a venue than there are could be conceived as misrepresentation of the success of their company?
Well, it's one thing to do a show that draws 200 people and inflate that figure to 1500. That's misrepresentation. But to take a show that drew a legit 75,000 and add another 5000 onto that? Don't think anyone really cares.
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Old 04-02-2007, 06:49 AM   #326
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Good god I don't understand why everyone is so happy? Ok, at least for once we can be glad that they didn't do anything fucking retarded, which for the WWE these days is a massive relief. But lets not be so nice, lets focus on the negatives for a second:

- The total amount of time spent on wrestling must of been about five minutes due to the massive amount of time spent on intros and pointless video packages
- There was no tag team championship matches
- They made such a big thing about it being ECW's first wrestlemania and then didn't have the ECW title defended
- Khali went over Kane. I mean what the fuck?
- The crowd were shite
- Bobby Lashley
- Every match was far too short. MVP/Benoit was actually starting to turn into a good match....then it ended
- Nothing suprising happened all night
- ....actually scratch that - Nothing happened all night.
- The ECW match featured no weapons or barbed wire or anything. Do they understand what the word 'extreme actually means'?
- Bobby Lashley
- It just didn't feel like Wrestlemania. Half of the matches could of been on RAW.
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Old 04-02-2007, 07:12 AM   #327
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Good WrestleMania in my opinion.

I'm just wondering what the hell the WWE are going to do when HBK and the Undertaker finally retire...
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Old 04-02-2007, 07:31 AM   #328
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Cena managed to have a stupider entrance than last year. That entrance was fucking retarded. I love how Cena will sell an injury for a bit and then completely forget about it. Blah. I could have bought a quick 3 count out of nowhere or something (even that would still be dumb) but the STFU finish was retarded.

What a blah show.

Though the Head shaving match was hillarious.
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Old 04-02-2007, 07:46 AM   #329
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I cant believe some of the reactions im seeing here...This was an awful wrestlemania. how can anyone praise it?

and Cena's entrance would have been better if the camera didnt catch the actual driver getting into the back so Cena could pop out
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Old 04-02-2007, 08:20 AM   #330
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what was that? Wrestlemania or judgement day? because i couldn't tell
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Old 04-02-2007, 08:28 AM   #331
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I enjoyed it. I thought all the main matches delivered. Cena vs. HBK was intense near the end.
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Old 04-02-2007, 08:43 AM   #332
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I'm still waiting for something interesting to happen.
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Old 04-02-2007, 08:43 AM   #333
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Oh and I hope Taker buries Kennedy.
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Old 04-02-2007, 09:11 AM   #334
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better than it looked on paper, but still a lot of room for improvement.
Pretty much sums up my feelings.
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Old 04-02-2007, 10:00 AM   #335
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Cena managed to have a stupider entrance than last year. That entrance was fucking retarded.
The best part is that it was painfully obvious he and the stunt driver were switching spots. But yeah, it was retarded. But it doesn't top last year's. I'm hoping nothing can possibly top that retarded abomination.

Anyway, overall, I'd call it a just below average WrestleMania. It wasn't the worst (there are much worse ones than this was), but it wasn't averagely good for a Mania either. It was enjoyable for the most part.
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Old 04-02-2007, 10:15 AM   #336
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what a crap WM that was. dont they understand its wrestlefrickinmania god. And Cena winning again...what bs...

even the MITB was sort of boring.
Sure, they understand. But look at all the people that still say Mania's special.

They know the morons will still buy it.
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Old 04-02-2007, 10:20 AM   #337
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When I heard Edge got carried out I immediately thought that since he was injured, he can claim that he didn't really lose and his streak is still intact. I figured this is so they can keep his streak and yet let Kennedy win.
Which is fucking retarded, one way or the other.
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The best part is that it was painfully obvious he and the stunt driver were switching spots. But yeah, it was retarded. But it doesn't top last year's. I'm hoping nothing can possibly top that retarded abomination.
What did he need a "stunt driver" for?
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Old 04-02-2007, 10:28 AM   #339
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I'm pissed off. I really wasn't going to order this until everyone was saying "OMG IT'S WRESTLEMANIA" so I gave in, I ordered it.

And I'm fucking disappointed.

The PPV as a whole was absolutely shit.
Lets start with MITB. It was terrible. The whole thing was so slow paced and really felt like it was missing something. MITB the last 2 years was amazing and full of action. The spots in this year's one were few and far between. And I was bored for the whole match.

Kane vs. Khali? Why?

MVP vs. Benoit. This was nothing greater than an average match you'd see on smackdown. It seems that wrestlerts don't step it up a gear for WM anymore.

Undertaker/Batista match was the only good match on the card. I actually enjoyed this one.

ECW match was not no DQ. How does that make sense. It's WRESTLE FUCKIN MANIA. Why not make it no DQ and make it a bit special? Have the ECW stars winning by battling hardcore, the way they are used to? It was a less than average tag team match.

Head shaving match was watchable because of Austin. The match itself was crap. Austin was entertaining...but no surprises. It's wrestlemania, I thought they'd throw in a few surprises like The Rock coming down or something. Too predictable.

Womens match. I've seen some really great womens matches. So it makes me sad to KNOW that they can put on great matches, but they don't. This is wrestlemania, why not just put on a great match? Instead we get the standard piss-break women's match that we are all used to.

HBK/John Cena was a good match. Nothing special, not as good as the Batista/Taker match, but nonetheless, it was good. Cena wins again with the STFU. Why have the same finish as last year? And once again, no surprises.

No match had the wrestlemania feel. Nothing BIG happened, no surprises, no matches that we will be talking about for years to come. This wrestlemania will be forgotten quickly, there was absolutely nothing special about it. And I'm sorry I wasted my time and money on it.
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What did he need a "stunt driver" for?
His entrance was basically Fast and the Furious-type "trick" driving in a Mustang. I'd honestly be surprised if he didn't have a stunt driver.
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His entrance was basically Fast and the Furious-type "trick" driving in a Mustang. I'd honestly be surprised if he didn't have a stunt driver.
Please.

Cena's got mad driving skills.

Infact call him John "Spark Plugg" Cena.
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It wasn't spectacular, like a WrestleMania should be, but it wasn't awful. Sure, some of the matches could have gone longer and should have, but I think it was still a solid show. Some people will never be satisfied.
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Old 04-02-2007, 11:09 AM   #344
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What was with Vince's backstage promo? That was terrible. I mean, firstly I could barely hear what he was saying, and on top of that it seemed totally boring and just plain waffling on anyway.

And of course, the thing that bugged me the most... the camera in the baby carriage. WTF? Was the baby holding a camera?
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So does anyone know anything about Edges condition? That spot was fucking sick.
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And of course, the thing that bugged me the most... the camera in the baby carriage. WTF? Was the baby holding a camera?
Well WWE is like a family farm, you're put to work as soon as you're old enough to coo and giggle.
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What was with Vince's backstage promo? That was terrible. I mean, firstly I could barely hear what he was saying, and on top of that it seemed totally boring and just plain waffling on anyway.

And of course, the thing that bugged me the most... the camera in the baby carriage. WTF? Was the baby holding a camera?
See, you were supposed to believe you were seeing Vince through the baby's eyes. Sort of like when you, the fans in the arena, and the announcers all saw Warrior even though only Hogan could see him.
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Old 04-02-2007, 11:22 AM   #348
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Old 04-02-2007, 11:23 AM   #349
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I was surprised by Benoit's victory and pretty shocked by the ECW Originals getting the win.

lmao @ Vince while getting shaved, "Ah, fuck this" (never played up and probably hard to catch, but I happened to notice it), JR with, "Lashley has got balls.", the fan jumping into the ring during the main event entrances, and also the ref manhandling Cena.
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Old 04-02-2007, 11:24 AM   #350
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That fan looked like he was going after Michaels.

Fucking Cena mark.
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Old 04-02-2007, 11:32 AM   #351
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That fan looked like he was going after Michaels.

Fucking Cena mark.
@ Michaels waving goodbye to him though.
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Old 04-02-2007, 11:34 AM   #352
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That fan looked like he was going after Michaels.

Fucking Cena mark.
I place more money on the guy being a die hard Bret Hart mark.
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Old 04-02-2007, 11:46 AM   #353
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Come to think of it, Cena really is a lousy worker. He was great at selling that leg injury, then out of nowhere he just hulks up and it was like he just discovered Enzyte or something. It just magically disappeared.
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Old 04-02-2007, 12:06 PM   #354
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why cena.... how long has he held that fucking title now. No wait, how long has that effin' spinner been on the title
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Come to think of it, Cena really is a lousy worker. He was great at selling that leg injury, then out of nowhere he just hulks up and it was like he just discovered Enzyte or something. It just magically disappeared.
He's got Hogan's Disease.
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He's got Hogan's Disease.
It's a very serious condition, and I am appalled that people would mock him for it.
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WrestleMania® Blows Away Attendance Record At Ford Field

DETROIT, Mich., April 1, 2007 – World Wrestling Entertainment® set an all-time attendance record at Ford Field tonight, as 80,103 ecstatic fans shared in the excitement of WrestleMania 23, WWE®’s annual pop culture spectacular. Fans packed Ford Field from ringside to the rafters, including thousands with standing room only tickets.

WrestleMania 23 is the highest grossing one-day live event in WWE history, grossing more than $5.38 million in ticket sales.

Fans converged on Detroit from 24 countries, all 50 states and 9 Canadian provinces, pumping an estimated $25 million into the local economy.

This marks the second time World Wrestling Entertainment has established an attendance record in Detroit. In 1987, at WrestleMania III, 93,173 fans filled the Silverdome in Pontiac, Mich., setting the all-time indoor attendance record.

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I enjoyed it. I thought all the main matches delivered. Cena vs. HBK was intense near the end.
this is mania tho.

ALL of the matvhes should deliver.
Last year, the undercard matches like Edge vs foley, MITB, mickey james vs trish, heck even mark henry vs taker was ok...

This mania blew IMO. of the main matches:
Taker VS Batista was good.
Cena VS Michaels was average, Shawn's worst mania match in years tho
Lashley VS Umaga was dull, and was only saved by Austin and McMahon.
Ashley vs Melina was horrible.
MITB was good

The rest of the matches were just filler because the storylines for them were poorly constructed.
ECW match was good but short, just seeing RVD in a match like that makes me think "you screwed up big time RVD."
Kan vs Khali was terrible
MVP VSBenoit was possibly the match of the night, but with a dull storyline, it never really had me captivated
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Old 04-02-2007, 02:09 PM   #360
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The MITB was good.

MVP really impressed me, that was a good wrestling match right there

And both the title matches were very good, with lots of emotion in them, I feel this was due to the older gentlemen in both these matches who know how to carry a guy.

Overall lackluster mania, nothing horrible, just nothing great, which is a shame as the build was quite good for it.
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