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Old 11-16-2007, 06:11 PM   #321
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Big news.

Kenny Rogers fires agent Scott Boras. Rogers will be representing himself for now.
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Old 11-17-2007, 12:30 PM   #322
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Kenny's past his prime but it does seem like Boras has lost some of his shine.
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Yeah, I kind of doubt it too considering it'd cost at least one or two of Buchholz, Lester, Ellsbury. Definitely don't see the Red Sox dealing any of those guys.
Me either, the Sox are starting to have a lot of success with homegrown guys in the field (Youk, Pedoria, Ellsbury etc.) so I can't see them shipping off top prospects for a positional player. An ace-type pitcher then maybe but other then that I don't know
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

Somehow, the Mets/Torrealba deal "collapsed" and so he will not be on the team. I'm ecstatic
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Old 11-17-2007, 06:52 PM   #325
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Unfortunately though, I don't think Lo Duca will be back He is reportedly insulted by the fact that the team didn't even give him an offer.

I wouldn't be opposed to just see them sign some backup catcher or bring someone up from the minors and let Castro start
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ESPN Radio just reported something:

Twins get: SS Jose Reyes, LHP Oliver Perez, RHP Mike Pelfrey, OF Carlos Gomez
Mets get: LHP Johan Santana, C Joe Mauer

Holy shit. I bet the guy on the radio meant to say it was just a rumor, because I do NOT think that trade will ever happen. But if its true, holy shit. It certainly would explain the Torrealba deal falling apart.
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Old 11-17-2007, 08:38 PM   #327
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ESPN Radio just reported something:

Twins get: SS Jose Reyes, LHP Oliver Perez, RHP Mike Pelfrey, OF Carlos Gomez
Mets get: LHP Johan Santana, C Joe Mauer

Holy shit. I bet the guy on the radio meant to say it was just a rumor, because I do NOT think that trade will ever happen. But if its true, holy shit. It certainly would explain the Torrealba deal falling apart.

No way that would happen. It would take way more to land those 2. While I see maybe both getting traded sometime.

Add 3 more prospects and maybe
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ESPN Radio just reported something:

Twins get: SS Jose Reyes, LHP Oliver Perez, RHP Mike Pelfrey, OF Carlos Gomez
Mets get: LHP Johan Santana, C Joe Mauer

Holy shit. I bet the guy on the radio meant to say it was just a rumor, because I do NOT think that trade will ever happen. But if its true, holy shit. It certainly would explain the Torrealba deal falling apart.
I don't think so Mauer is way to valuable to the Twins to lose. They value Mauer to much to get this trade done. This could probably do to get Santana. But there isn't any way anyone is gonna get Mauer from the Twins.
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Yeah, I haven't heard anything about that rumor since. As I said, the Twins were lowballing possibly their top two players. As much as I'd hate to lose Reyes, I'd make that deal in a heartbeat.

Anyway, according to the NY Post, Rivera is expected to finally sign that 3-year, $45 million deal
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Yeah, I haven't heard anything about that rumor since. As I said, the Twins were lowballing possibly their top two players. As much as I'd hate to lose Reyes, I'd make that deal in a heartbeat.

Anyway, according to the NY Post, Rivera is expected to finally sign that 3-year, $45 million deal
As would anybody do that deal in a heart beat. But that deal sounds to good to be true. And most deals that sound to good to be true most of the time aren't.

And I'm very excited to see that MO might come back. We did pretty good first Posada, then A-rod(Though I would have preferred if it was less then 10 years) and now Mo. Now, try to get Pettitte to sign on the dotted line.
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Strangely, the Posada deal hasn't even been made official...so theoretically the same thing that happened suddenly with Torrealba could happen with Posada.

lol it would be a swerve of WCW proportions if Posada decided to leave after all that
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So Warren Buffett is the man who told Alex Rodriguez to bypass Scott Boras and talk to Yankees directly. Pity A-Rod could not think of this all by himself.

And apparently, the Mike Lowell Yankees deal is pretty much not gonna happen.
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Strangely, the Posada deal hasn't even been made official...so theoretically the same thing that happened suddenly with Torrealba could happen with Posada.

lol it would be a swerve of WCW proportions if Posada decided to leave after all that
I know the A-rod deal hasn't been made official yet either. It would be an extreme shame if A-rod and Posada both decided to leave that. But I don't know about A-rod leaving can he really find a team that pays him more then 10/250 Million? I think the A-rod deal is just about done. I hope Posada and Mo both decide to make it official.

Edit: Okay I didn't know A-rod had signed with them yet.
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Seriously, just imagine Posada getting ready for a press conference or something and just before he signs the contract he rips off his Yankees jersey to reveal a Mets one or something. MAH GAWD IT WAS A SET UP
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Seriously, just imagine Posada getting ready for a press conference or something and just before he signs the contract he rips off his Yankees jersey to reveal a Mets one or something. MAH GAWD IT WAS A SET UP
Oh Yeah I can see it now.

ESPN: Posada has just signed a 3 year 45 million dollar contract.

*Cuts to press conferance. with Posada signing his contract.*

Posada: I just want to say that..................... *Rips off Yankee Jersey to reveal a Red Sox Jersey.



JR:Oh mah gawd! Posada has just set the Yankees up what a bastard. What a cowardly gutless bastard.

*Ends*

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Old 11-18-2007, 12:40 PM   #336
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Twins have reportedly offered Johan a 5-year, $93 million extension

Don't really see Johan getting traded if he doesn't sign that. Teams are gonna be afraid that they'll trade the farm only to watch him leave after the year
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That's not gonna get it done. He's gonna want 20 million per year.
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explain to me something cause I still don't get it after 20 years

when you trade somebody, is there a contract or anything? Like Vito just said Johan could leave after a year, so I'm assuming when you get traded you're only obligated to that team for th rest of the season. is that right?
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If you get traded, you are trading the contract too. Johan is under contract with the Twins for one more year, so if he got traded, he'd be under contract with the new team for one year.
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Yankees should take a look at Francisco Cordero as a potential setup man for Mo. Solid arm, plus he's shown he can pitch in the AL, and not just in the AL, in a hitters park (Texas).
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Yeah, that's why I think that at this point, any team acquiring Johan will require him to agree to an extension beforehand, especially considering how costly he'll be.

The Mets really seem like the most likely team at this point. They've come out and said they will trade part of the future for a starter if need be. Whereas the Yanks have said they aren't trading Hughes/Joba, the Red Sox aren't likely to part with their top guys, the Dodgers are more set on acquiring a bat, and the Angels are all talk and never make the big deal
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How about this?

Jason Giambi for Johan Santana.

A guy can dream...
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Jason Giambi for Johan Santana.

A guy can dream...
That wouldn't get it done. Pavano, and Jason Giambi for Santana. That might be able to get it done.
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Throw Farnsworth in there too.
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I'm sure if the Yankees were to want to be in the Johan sweepstakes, I would imagine they would command Joba in the deal. And I do not see them giving him up
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Fuck Johan for 20 Million. Would you pay that much a year for a guy who at most plays 35 games. For that price you get the whole Rockies pitching staff that got them to a World Series. How many Series did Johan get to?

Shit, you could get 2 Josh Becketts for that.
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Would you pay that much a year for a guy who at most plays 35 games.
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I'm sure if the Yankees were to want to be in the Johan sweepstakes, I would imagine they would command Joba in the deal. And I do not see them giving him up
Fuck Santana then. We are not giving up Joba or Cano or Hughes they are "Untouchables". I'd rather Santana go to Boston then trade away any of these guys.
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Zito gets 18 mil a year.


Worth it!

Pitchers should not make as much as they do. You should be able to have a full solid starting 5 for 30 million.

for 20 million, would you rather have Johan or Matt Holiday? Posistion players are worth much more. Im not saying solid picthing doesnt matter, as you need it, but there is a fine like between great and overpaid. Shit, A Rod is the best hitter in the MLB and he is overpaid.
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They're all overpaid, bro. If these past few years have shown us anything, especially as Yankee fans, is that pitching is what wins championships. Your position players will only take you so far.
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A's trade Marco Scutaro to the Blue Jays for minor league arms Kristian Bell and Graham Godfrey.

The Texas Rangers are gonna throw down a 5-year deal to Torii Hunter tomorrow night.

Rumors going around that Mariano Rivera may sign that 3-year 45 mil. the Yankees gave him sometime this week.
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Actually, from what I've seen the Yankees might be willing to include Hughes in a deal for Santana. I dunno, I just don't see the Mets as a favorite to get Santana or anything. They just don't seem to have that big prospect to get him. I just don't think Humber or Pelfrey are on the same level as a Hughes, Joba or Buchholz prospect-wise. They do have the young outfield guys but I don't think its enough without a big young pitcher.

I'm kind of torn on Santana. I obviously want him but he will cost a ton. I've been hearing things like Cano, Hughes and Melky. Even two of those will be a terrible deal for me. I'm almost just hoping the Yankees see what they have next year with their big three young guys, make sure Pettitte comes back, hope Minnesota keeps Santana and he becomes a free agent and get him then. Unless the deal somehow falls to a Melky, Kennedy, Tabata, Horne, etc...which is still a ton of talent to give up anyway. That'll never happen though.
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Actually, from what I've seen the Yankees might be willing to include Hughes in a deal for Santana. I dunno, I just don't see the Mets as a favorite to get Santana or anything. They just don't seem to have that big prospect to get him. I just don't think Humber or Pelfrey are on the same level as a Hughes, Joba or Buchholz prospect-wise. They do have the young outfield guys but I don't think its enough without a big young pitcher.

I'm kind of torn on Santana. I obviously want him but he will cost a ton. I've been hearing things like Cano, Hughes and Melky. Even two of those will be a terrible deal for me. I'm almost just hoping the Yankees see what they have next year with their big three young guys, make sure Pettitte comes back, hope Minnesota keeps Santana and he becomes a free agent and get him then. Unless the deal somehow falls to a Melky, Kennedy, Tabata, Horne, etc...which is still a ton of talent to give up anyway. That'll never happen though.
There's always the chance that Cashman and the Minnesota GM can go out drinking and get the Twins GM drunk and make a deal of Clippard, Desalvo, and Tabata for Santana.

But, if they want Cano and Hughes then you can forget it. I don't want the Yankees to give up Hughes or Cano. And if Santana doesn't hit the FA market. There's always Sabathia, Lackey, or Peavy.
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Yeah, there's a pretty huge free agent market for pitchers the next couple years but I'd bet most if not all sign contract extensions with their current teams. Definitely the way most pitchers seem to be going. Barely any big name pitchers hit free agency anymore. So I can definitely understand going after Santana, I just don't want to give up the price wanted. If Pettitte comes back the rotation still looks good, Santana just makes the rotation look ridiculous.
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Glavine has signed a 1-year, $8 million contract to return to the Braves. Nice, Mets snag an extra first round pick

And the Mets agreed to a 4-year contract with Luis Castillo. Damn, I like Luis and everything and he definitely works after Reyes...but 4 years for those knees. I've never seen somebody walk to the plate, wincing in pain, limping....then hit the ball, run and have everything look fine...then look to be in pain. Then steal 2nd flawlessly, only to get up and appear to be in agony. It was so weird to watch
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