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Old 10-31-2019, 07:17 PM   #121
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Survivor Series is going to include all three brands this year. Not entirely against the idea, but why the fuck would you do a brand split only a couple of weeks from two major shows with interpromotional bouts?
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Old 10-31-2019, 07:54 PM   #122
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Just watched Cain vs Lesnar via Twitter and it was terrible.

Night and day difference in quality between Cain in AAA and him in WWE. Whatever mystic Cain had prior got destroyed because of WWE's grubby hands.
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Old 10-31-2019, 07:59 PM   #123
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Another lesnar phone it in match, which accounts for the majority of his matches over the last lot of years.
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Old 10-31-2019, 08:07 PM   #124
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It wasn't that bad. Perfectly servicable 2 minute match. Cain is not ready for a main event level 20 minute banger. This was fine.
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Old 10-31-2019, 09:24 PM   #125
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I read the quick TPWW results...didn't even want to give ad revenue to someone hosting an illegal stream of a shitty product that's even shittier for the SA shit.

lol it'll be comical where they take champ Bray.
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Old 10-31-2019, 09:37 PM   #126
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Read results, so here is the real questions.

1. Did Vince learn from HITC and put the belt on Bray? or,
2. Was the plan to put the belt on Bray, but then Vince held off cause the Saudis wanted it to happen there?

And the big question, 3. Why book HITC in the first place Vince?? Old greedy jackass
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Old 10-31-2019, 10:08 PM   #127
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So Monday Night RAW is left without a world champion. Both the WWE and Universal Champions are now on Friday Night Smackdown.
Wyatt is going back to Raw. Shit makes no sense that the most sports entertainment guy on the whole roster went to the "we want a real sports show presentation" show.

Then again, WWE books themselves into such nonsense that maybe they will just make a new title for Raw, the Galactic Interplanetary Championship!
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Old 11-01-2019, 12:06 AM   #128
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Having a feeling that The Fiend is losing this belt fairly quickly. Prichard probably wants to mirror Undertaker’s first title reign since he’s still stuck in 1991.

Rollins will wrongfully manipulate Bray Wyatt into defending the Fiend’s championship for him. Rollins beats Bray Wyatt (sweater and all), turning Rollins heel. Fiend and Bray stay on Smackdown as face(s).
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Old 11-01-2019, 01:03 AM   #129
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Probably a steel cage match where he doesn't have to pin "The Fiend".
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Old 11-01-2019, 02:58 AM   #130
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Looks like this week's episode of Smackdown got screwed even more because of this event.



Maybe a blessing in disguise for most of the talent since they likely no longer have to worry about dealing with serious travel fatigue for this week's Smackdown.
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Old 11-01-2019, 02:59 AM   #131
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Natalya vs Lacey Evans. Looking at those pics makes me think they should fight for the WWE Transsexual Championship.
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Old 11-01-2019, 03:31 AM   #132
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Old 11-01-2019, 03:39 AM   #133
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There's an odd travel situation happening right now in Saudi Arabia, as WWE's charter flight has been delayed for several hours.

Fightful learned early Monday morning that a charter plane containing the majority of the WWE roster and staff had never taken off. Those who were supposed to be aboard were told of "delays," and some have become suspicious of the delay.

Many of the people that are set to fly out have been awake all through the day and night already, with several scheduled to compete on WWE Smackdown Friday. All of those we spoke to still in Saudi Arabia said they don't expect to make it back to the States in time for Smackdown.

They were supposed to take off at 4:44 AM local time, and as of four hours later hadn't. The 12 hour flight would have had the plane arriving in Buffalo around 10 AM, with Smackdown taking place there ten hours later.

Vince McMahon, Brock Lesnar and Hulk Hogan are all already flying back, as they had their own flights. One talent said that Vince was out of there hours ago, while talent was still on the ground.

Some that we've talked to on the flight are clearly annoyed and perturbed by the situation, while others aren't so concerned, even saying "they'll figure it out, because they always do." So there's hardly a unanimous temperature on the delays.
Not surprised at Vince bolting and leaving everyone else to deal with whatever is causing the problems there.
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Old 11-01-2019, 04:02 AM   #134
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Old 11-01-2019, 04:15 AM   #135
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They put Brock over Velasquez clean as a whistle in his debut match? Christ. What reason is there to continue that feud?
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Old 11-01-2019, 04:46 AM   #136
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Ah jeez! I can’t imagine enduring such a long flight and then putting on a 2-hour coherent show.
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Old 11-01-2019, 05:56 AM   #137
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Assuming its true, then Vince is a huge dipshit for leaving everyone there high and dry and clean up the mess he created.
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Old 11-01-2019, 06:47 AM   #138
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Ah jeez! I can’t imagine enduring such a long flight and then putting on a 2-hour coherent show.
Why are worried about it being coherent?
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Found it amusing watching the fiends match, of all the stuff he was hit with at ringside, stomp, sledgehammer etc he stayed down longer when he got hit with the piece of plastic off the announce table than he did for nearly anything else.
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Old 11-01-2019, 09:43 AM   #140
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Just watched Cain vs Lesnar via Twitter and it was terrible.

Night and day difference in quality between Cain in AAA and him in WWE. Whatever mystic Cain had prior got destroyed because of WWE's grubby hands.
Can we talk about how Michael Cole tries to call this match like an actual play by play guy instead of sounding bored and wanting to talk about anything else with Graves


WHY DONT YOU ALWAYS DO THAT MICHAEL
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Old 11-01-2019, 09:51 AM   #141
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I really want to see Brock vs the Fiend in a unification match
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Old 11-01-2019, 10:45 AM   #142
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I don't mind short Brock matches. I didn't think Cain was buried. But obviously they could have done a lot more. The post match angle was strong. Tyson Fury was so bad.

Certainly not going to re-up my subscription. I'm done with WWE.
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Can picture it now, 35 german suplexes and a dozen or more f5's.
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Old 11-01-2019, 11:55 AM   #144
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So how long before someone gives themselves an ‘invincibility shield’ and a x100 power in order to defeat The Fiend.
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Old 11-01-2019, 12:59 PM   #145
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What if to defeat the Fiend you must use the power of love?

Marianne Williamson vs The Fiend WM2020
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I bet the secret to beating the Fiend will be taking off the mask
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Old 11-01-2019, 02:22 PM   #147
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Just fly the nxt people to smackdown and keep them there. Just have them “takeover” the show till talent gets there. Would be a perfect tie in for what they want to do at survivor series with all three brands facing each other
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Old 11-01-2019, 04:25 PM   #148
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Just fly the nxt people to smackdown and keep them there. Just have them “takeover” the show till talent gets there. Would be a perfect tie in for what they want to do at survivor series with all three brands facing each other
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From today's Observer Radio show on the travel problem for WWE's talent in Saudi Arabia.

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Jim Valley: "To the best of your knowledge, this has nothing to do with weather or mechanical issues?"

Dave Meltzer: "No. Not at all. ... My impression was that they were on the plane waiting to take off, and then they were told to leave the plane. Vince was able to get another plane there to get a few people to Buffalo, I'm presuming. I just know a few people left, but it was only 12 wrestlers of the dozens that were on that show."
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From today's Observer Radio show on the travel problem for WWE's talent in Saudi Arabia.




So let me get this straight, Vince pockets $50 million while getting out of a bunch of midcarders contracts, without them being able to go to AEW and stuck in Saudi???

Vince did it again, genius!
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Just fly the nxt people to smackdown and keep them there. Just have them “takeover” the show till talent gets there. Would be a perfect tie in for what they want to do at survivor series with all three brands facing each other
I think we found our mole boys....
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Who is making the "Smackdown - starring Brock Lesnar" thread???
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Newest rumor going around the net regarding the Saudi mess was it being caused by a money issue and Vince did something to piss off the Prince.

Supposedly the Saudi government owes WWE money for their shows and since news of it was getting leaked, the Prince wanted to deal with Vince but since he wasn't around, the plane carrying the rest of WWE's talent got grounded as punishment.





The broadcast in question wasn't the Crown Jewel show and instead that Facebook show hosted by Savinovich.


Edit: Observer and Voices of Wrestling reporting they heard similar reasons from their sources in regards to money issues being the source for Friday's traveling problems.

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I never would have guessed that a deal with a corrupt and violent government might have complications.
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WWE's claims of mechanical problems for the first plane is starting to sound more like BS now that more details are getting revealed. WWE wouldn't need to go to those efforts unless they were that worried about the Vince and money story being outed as the real reason.

The story of the second emergency plane having problems does seem legit though since the company contracted for that plane released an official statement on the matter.
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Based on a bunch of recent tweets from people living in Saudi Arabia who saw the show on tv, Dave Meltzer and David Bixenspan, people digging through WWE's recent fiscal reports, and tweets from wrestlers, this seems to be the summary of events leading to Friday's post-show travel issues.

* Based on those who have been digging through WWE's fiscal reports, there have been noticeable discrepancies in areas where the Saudi money would have kicked in. Several spikes in both directions likely indicating the Saudi government has not been paying for their shows on time. David Bixenspan tweeted a recent report from CBC.ca of this being a growing issue in the Saudi government for their other deals for some time now.

* WWE likely realized they were not going to be paid in full on time for Friday's Crown Jewel event and Vince pulled a power play in regards to the feed of the event. According to those in Saudi Arabia, all of the past Saudi shows were aired live except this one. Crown Jewel was aired on a one hour delay but it wasn't announced prior to the event which managed to piss off a lot of viewers there.

* Saudi prince seems to have been upset at WWE's handling of the feed for the event and pulled a power play of his own by having the plane with the rest of WWE's talent grounded. Only reason he couldn't do the same for Vince's plane was due to Vince leaving hours earlier with a few others.

* Making things worse for WWE was them getting a charter plane for only a select few talent managed to piss off everyone else that was still stuck there. Curtis Axel tweeted out his anger in response and Karl Anderson hinted at losing a lot of respect for RAW's locker room leader (likely Rollins due to his star status).

This whole mess also seems to possibly open up another serious problem on the horizon for WWE. Supposedly its being speculated that insider trading is happening within WWE. Vince and the McMahon family are among those rumored to have committed that crime. Some investors haven't been happy regarding WWE still being unwilling to disclose details regarding the Saudi money and issues with their new UK tv deal and upcoming new contracts elsewhere.
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