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Old 04-19-2019, 11:16 PM   #41
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It’s got nothing to do with AEW. The dude might just want to retire.
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Old 04-19-2019, 11:17 PM   #42
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A wrestler can "end" their contract by retiring. It freezes the contract and if they un-retire they are bound to the original contract.
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Old 04-19-2019, 11:22 PM   #43
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Old 04-19-2019, 11:22 PM   #44
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Not really the point, but.
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Old 04-20-2019, 01:25 AM   #45
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STD is so pissed when any company other than WWE dares try to put on a wrestling show and now he’s pissed when pro wrestlers want to leave WWE so they can wrestle. It seems like he wants to take CyNick’s gimmick but he’s not quite doing it right.
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Old 04-20-2019, 01:43 AM   #46
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I just don't see the point in keeping disgrunted employees under contract. Especially if they are 39 and you've got no intention to use them as anything more than a body. Let the guy go.
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Old 04-20-2019, 12:19 PM   #47
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Khan should pay you guys for the amount of ball washing you are doing for AEW.
Please explain to me your actual issue here. I understand you love WWE but they literally aren't using this (very talented) guy. He wants to seek more personally fulfilling pursuits. Why should he want to earn a paycheck and rot when hey can just release him so he can work?


Also, you are a dumbfuck.
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A wrestler can "end" their contract by retiring. It freezes the contract and if they un-retire they are bound to the original contract.
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Not really the point, but.
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:11 PM   #49
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Is that actually how wrestling contracts work, though? It's not like retiring from the NFL and coming back to play for a different team.

Feel like someone could "retire" from WWE and sign a contract with another company without worrying about the WWE contract at all.
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:57 PM   #50
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They’ve frozen the contract of AJ Lee in the past. Not sure where that all stands now. I remember reading something about Bryan needing to appear in order to work off his contract too, but not sure how legit it was. But when Brock left, the no-compete WWE wanted to give him was laughed out of court.

Honestly, if wrestlers made a stink, I can’t see WWE holding onto them indefinitely. Seems like bad PR, and a contract is supposed to be mutually beneficial. If one party feels that it’s not working out, it just seems ethical to have outs (like WWE has when they can release talent). I dunno, seems fucking cold and monstrous to keep people beyond them giving you appropriate notice.

This talent being locked down will hopefully encourage talent to ensure that them getting out is a possibility. Bret had it in his ‘97 contract. Make sure you can give Vince a number of weeks to finish you up and get out.
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Old 04-20-2019, 05:12 PM   #51
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if harper refuses to work then his contract can be froze but if he works then nothing vince can do harper leaves November.
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Old 04-20-2019, 05:37 PM   #52
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It’s just such bullshit. A contract is about terms as much as anything. When the terms no longer fit, Vince no longer gets Harper, but Harper no longer gets Vince. It just rubs me wrong that WWE can force independent contractors to go out and take bumps when they don’t want to.
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Old 04-20-2019, 05:56 PM   #53
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Please explain to me your actual issue here. I understand you love WWE but they literally aren't using this (very talented) guy. He wants to seek more personally fulfilling pursuits. Why should he want to earn a paycheck and rot when hey can just release him so he can work?
Jesus, Dale. Get Tony Khan’s dick out of your mouth.
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Old 04-25-2019, 09:51 AM   #54
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The latest word on Harper is that not only are WWE not going to release him, they've extended his contract by 6 months for his injury so now he's tied to them through next year's WM.

Supposedly they want to send a message that they won't play ball with talents who publicly express their frustrations with the company.

For comparison, Goldust was hurt and they could've extended out his deal, but he caused no issues and never said anything public so they allowed him to walk away free and clear.
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Old 04-25-2019, 10:08 AM   #55
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I feel like Harper went about this the wrong way. Should have just gone to management and asked for his release. When it wasn't granted, he just sucks it up and stays till November.


Like all this talent wants to jump to AEW right away which I understand. At the same time though, just relax. The promotion could be gone this time next year. It could be the next Impact, floundering on a random cable channel until it dies out. Or it could be a very big promotion. But if it's the latter, then it will be there when you finally get your release from the company.
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Old 04-25-2019, 12:28 PM   #56
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At some point, someone needs to just go after them for mislabeling them as Independent Contractors. It'd help the boys immensely.
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Old 04-25-2019, 01:39 PM   #57
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Asking for a release is different than asking and the posting it online. They trying to show wwe up and somebody who does it needed to be made an example of.

They let 10 gimmick man get away with it.
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Old 04-25-2019, 01:54 PM   #58
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How dare they hurt Vince’s feelings by posting about their professional life on social media.

Vince should pay you for the amount of ball washing you’re doing for WWE.
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There are reports circulating stating that Vince actually wanted to do the same thing to Goldust and add 8 months onto his contract, but Triple H talked him out of it and convinced him to just grant the request. I'm not so sure Harper making it public has anything to do with Vince's reaction, Tye Dillinger and Jack Swagger both did the same thing as Harper and they had their requests granted.
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I mean, it could be that Vince doesn't think Dillinger or Swagger will move the needle for anyone whereas he thinks an athletic big man like Harper would be a great get for a competitor.

Which makes it all the more dumb that they don't fucking use him.
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Has anyone ever seen the terms in a standard WWE contract? It doesn’t hold up to logic to be termed an independent contractor given all the restrictions they put in there to the point I don’t understand how nobody has really held WWE to account for it.
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Del Rio called them on it, didn't he? To get his no compete clause waived. I seem to remember him either threatening to or taking up legal action since the whole independent contractor gimmick can't hold weight in court given that they're not afforded with the same flexibility as a real independent contractor.
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Del Rio called them on it, didn't he? To get his no compete clause waived. I seem to remember him either threatening to or taking up legal action since the whole independent contractor gimmick can't hold weight in court given that they're not afforded with the same flexibility as a real independent contractor.
In his case, it was more of WWE hitting him with about 6 months to a year of no compete and including Mexico to the places he wasn't allowed to be booked for.

WWE's no compete clauses usually only cover the US and maybe Canada which is why he got pissed off and threatened them with a lawsuit.
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I wonder if Harper or anyone else threatened legal action, if wwe would just outright release them. I can't imagine wanting to hang on to an employee who doesn't want to be part of your company. Harper being unhappy and wanting out means he's no longer a viable asset. Let him go.
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Probably depends on what the exact wording is in the contracts.

WWE technically doesn't have to release anyone early if they don't want to but "freezing" and artificially adding time to contracts does open themselves up for legal action if its done for shady reasons or a request is made around that time.

Like with Rey, WWE kept adding extra time whenever his contract was close to expiring due to "injury time" excuses. They only stopped due to Rey getting closer to filing a lawsuit and reaching a compromise on where he could work for a while.
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Just seems ludicrous that you can have a contract that can be ended at any time by one party, but that same party can hold you to the same contract.
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The validity of non-competes are determined on a case by case basis. Typically though, if the employer is using the non-compete to protect a reasonably protected interest of the employer, the non-compete does not place an undue burden on the employee/contractor, does not adversely affect the public interest, and there's no bad faith on the part of the employer, than the non-compete is enforceable.

A reasonable protected interest for an employer can include things like company specific or specialized training, an established personal relationship with a customer, a trade secret, the exclusive services or talents of an individual, or something not publicly available. For example, The Undertaker was a character developed and marketed by WWE and then WWE trained and allowed Mark Calloway to exclusively perform that character and he is now synonymous with the character. WWE has a solid argument that the character and thus Mark Calloway's exclusive services to WWE is a protected interest.

The undue burden on the employee or independent contractor is determined based on a reasonable test. Being barred from chosen employment is typically not deemed an undue burden so long as the length of time and (often) the geographic area limitations are reasonable.

As a result, most talent probably don't want to risk the expense of lengthy litigation with WWE over their non-competes, especially given that their odds of winning are probably at best, essentially a coin flip. In addition, violating their non-compete can open talent up to liability for litigation and/or damages to WWE that could cost them money, even potentially even more than they make from the violation.
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Developing Slik's idea of how Luke Harper should-have been in the WWE Championship match at Wrestlemania 33 (in 2017), I would-have booked:

1) Luke Harper wins, with the help of Bray Wyatt and Erik Rowan.

2) The following Raw, Wyatt calls Harper "an extension of myself" and demands he "hand-over the belt, like the hand-maiden you are!"

3) Harper decks Wyatt with the belt. As Rowan clotheslines Harper down, Randy Orton runs-out to even the odds.

4) The General Manager at the time (Daniel Bryan?) then makes a tag match of Harper and Orton vs. Wyatt and Rowan, as the night's main event.

5) During the tag match, Harper has Wyatt reeling. However, after Luke connects-with a discus lariat to Bray, Randy runs-in; beats-down Harper; and joins the Wyatt Family for real-real. (Remembering how he had fake-joined the Wyatt Family in late 2016, before "burning down the Wyatt Family compound" in spring 2017, which was a not-so-subtle reference to the Waco massacre.)
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The update on Harper is that Vince McMahon, in writing, told him he wouldn’t release him.

He was earmarked to work a program with Zayn after Mania, but the decision was made not to do it. One person close to the situation told us that he needs to get out because they made a call that they weren’t going to use him after Vince saw him in his return. Vince said that he didn’t “get him” and complained that he couldn’t even do a Southern accent (that was from them wanting him to do a Southern accent four years ago). He was regularly pitching ideas when he was out with an injury and they turned down every pitch.

He wasn’t booked anywhere after being cleared but Fan Axxess, and then Vince McMahon out of the blue wanted to know why he wasn’t in the Battle Royal, so that’s why he was put in at the last minute. Apparently the end was a mess as Strowman forgot his spots, which is one of the reasons Strowman hasn’t done much since winning. He was booked to start the Zayn program the day after Mania, but was then told after Mania he wasn’t needed for TV. So he went home, but then was called to comeback on Tuesday for a match with EC3. He was basically used as the opponent to test out the EC3 and Maverick pairing as wrestler/manager. The agents set up a bunch of manager spots in the match. Vince then watched it and said he hated the manager spots.

The creative meeting the day of the draft when it was asked about which brand Harper would be on, Vince said how the guy can’t even do a Southern accent, said the match with EC3 was bad, so they didn’t put him with either brand and that’s when he asked for his release.
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Ok, Vince isn't using Harper because he didn't like the match with EC3 because of reasons not involving Harper and because he can't do an accent he doesn't even like.
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When you live in a bubble

CBS New York/CBS Local) —█WWE has a problem. Actually, the sports entertainment giant has a number of them. Fans are tuning out in droves, as both█Monday Night RAW█and█SmackDown Live█have shed hundreds of thousands of viewers over the past year. Ratings for the flagship show on Monday night are down 14 percent, nearly matched by a 13 percent dip on Tuesday nights. That drop is also being reflected in attendance at live events, which has declined by 11 percent, and merchandise sales which are down 11 percent. The company partly blames the latter on its attendance woes.

It doesn’t take a business degree to figure that fewer fans watching on TV and even fewer paying to go to the shows and buy merchandise means less money for the company. Revenue is down three percent, and the company posted an operating income loss of nearly $7 million for the first quarter of the year, compared to a gain of $22 million during the same time last year.

Wall Street wasn’t smelling what WWE was cooking, as investors laid the smack down on share prices, which plummeted more than 13 percent by the close of trading.

In terms of slumping television ratings, the company feels that it’s current predicament can largely be chalked up to a bevy of talent absences due to injuries and other factors.

“We had a very unusual situation in terms of top talents as well as mid-card talents being out,” Vince McMahon, WWE Chairman and CEO, said on a conference call with investors. “Some 15 talents were out during the course of that period. When you don’t have talent, you don’t have storylines. When you don’t have storylines, you’re not going to do that well in terms of live events and television ratings. It was like a cascade of things that happened.”

Among those who stepped aside were top stars like Roman Reigns as he battled a recurrence of leukemia. John Cena, meanwhile, continues to make only sporadic appearances for the company.

McMahon is confident that things will begin to rebound for WWE as those talents return. He also is also hopeful that the new talent that was created during their absences will help correct the ship.
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Yeah like AEW will be run any better? There are reasons why people go into wrestling. It's cheap to produce, fans pay a lot and very low overhead because of independant contractor status.

AEW will not have employee-wrestlers either except for Cody, bucks and Omega.
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My guess is the people working for AEW will actually be proper independent contractors and will enjoy the freedoms that come with the status versus wwe where they are actually employees.
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Yeah like AEW will be run any better? There are reasons why people go into wrestling. It's cheap to produce, fans pay a lot and very low overhead because of independant contractor status.

AEW will not have employee-wrestlers either except for Cody, bucks and Omega.
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