12-07-2015, 07:51 PM | #4761 |
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Boras is the worst thing about sports, but also the very best at doing exactly what he is supposed to do. Hard to like the guy but damn you gotta respect the size of his CANTALOUPES
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12-07-2015, 07:55 PM | #4762 |
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nvm
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12-07-2015, 07:56 PM | #4763 | |
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Wonder if there's any "bad blood" on his behalf towards Detroit even though it's a different GM. That being said, money talks. Angels might be in on him too. |
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12-07-2015, 07:56 PM | #4764 |
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Alrighty that answers that
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12-07-2015, 07:57 PM | #4765 |
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I'm not sure how his camp feels but that's definitely justified. Every single Detroit fan I know would absolutely love to see him back. Everyone was crushed when he was traded (though it was understandably the right move)
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12-07-2015, 07:57 PM | #4766 |
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Feel like the Mets are going to take some heat when Cespedes inevitably goes elsewhere. But I just don't think he has the range to play CF full-time, and that's the only apparent spot for him in NY unless they wanted to send Michael Conforto down to AAA, which I wouldn't agree with at all.
Will miss watching that goddamn cannon in the outfield, tho. |
12-07-2015, 07:59 PM | #4767 |
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LF is really a gaping hole right now though. JD is solid in right. Maybin/Gose platooning CF is... serviceable (not ideal). You put a guy like Cespedes in LF and I'll take Maybin/Gose all day.
Now, though. Having Collins in left makes Maybin/Gose look a lot shakier. Hmm. Hope Avila's got one more magic move up his sleeve before all is said and done. |
12-07-2015, 08:06 PM | #4768 |
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It's better that they don't extend him. Of the four outfielders on the market, I think Cespedes has the biggest bust potential. He was amazing this year, but he's also 30 and he wasn't any where near the player he was this year in 2013 or 14.
His primary skill is power and he's now 30 and doesn't have a good track record of avoiding outs. That's probably not going to improve much and the last thing Detroit needs is being tied into a wrong side of 30 outfielder who can't avoid outs and won't wield the power he once did. They should sign Heyward or Upton. Both those guys fit nicely for them. |
12-07-2015, 08:10 PM | #4769 |
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Think DET will go after Upton?
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12-07-2015, 08:12 PM | #4770 |
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uhhh Cespedes hit 35 homers and 42 doubles this year... what's all this "lack of power" talk
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12-07-2015, 08:13 PM | #4771 |
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But I do agree SOMEWHAT about the age thing, if only because he's reportedly seeking a 6-year deal
But didn't he join the league late? I swear he was just signed by the A's like 3 years ago |
12-07-2015, 08:14 PM | #4772 |
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12-07-2015, 08:37 PM | #4773 |
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6 years might be too much for Cespedes unless he goes strictly DH near the end of it. Would require to be on an AL team though.
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12-07-2015, 08:39 PM | #4774 |
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Wrong thread there chief
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12-07-2015, 08:59 PM | #4775 |
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Anything that gives me another excuse to watch this is a wonderful thing.
Doubt Citi Field will ever hear that kind of heat again. Love how it goes from mild boos for the jobber players, to louder ones for Greinke/Kershaw, and then Utley just gets absolute nuclear heat to the point where they have to keep the camera on him longer. |
12-07-2015, 09:07 PM | #4776 |
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Red Sox getting Carson Smith is massive. Wow. Loving these moves.
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12-07-2015, 09:12 PM | #4777 |
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Dear Pirates. Do something. Anything. Be different this year.
Thanks Signed any Pirate Fan who has ever watched in the last 20 years. |
12-07-2015, 09:20 PM | #4778 | |
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He just put up his best year, at age 30. Maybe he's got one more year or two like this in the tank but It's unlikely. Obvious his plus d in left has tons of value but that's not what he's gonna get paid for. Over the next two or three years I feel Cespedes is going to start hitting a very hard wall. He hasn't come close to posting his rookie year on base and we're now going on 5years in. Doesn't look good long term for whoever gives him the likely 7 year deal. I think Detroit and Upton is really great fit. |
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12-07-2015, 09:49 PM | #4779 |
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The Dodgers/Chapman trade is now on hold. Chapman allegedly involved in a domestic violence situation this fall.
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12-07-2015, 10:01 PM | #4780 | |
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Cubs Kris Bryant filed a grievance against the team with the reason due to the service time clause in his contract. Team knew going as far back as May that he had filed a complaint with it becoming public today.
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12-07-2015, 10:05 PM | #4781 |
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12-07-2015, 11:02 PM | #4782 |
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Yeah well Tony Lacava got J.A. Happ, suck on that
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12-07-2015, 11:04 PM | #4783 | |
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12-07-2015, 11:19 PM | #4784 |
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I hate when everybody thinks at 33 all of a sudden you suck.
The Mets don't make the playoffs without Cespedes. Well didn't hurt that the Nats had the worst management. They have unreal pitching and a TERRIBLE offense. Going to waste a lot of prime pitching years. Wilpons are the worst. |
12-07-2015, 11:37 PM | #4785 |
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If Cespedes were a perfect fit for the Mets and they chose not to sign him because they cheaped out, I'd be pissed off. But having seen the extremes of his game last year, I really just don't think he's that good of a fit long-term.
It's not even anything to do with thinking he'll get bad as he gets older. Grandy just had a fucking great year at 34. Cespedes can carry the team when on, but when he's cold he's basically invisible. Helplessly hacking at everything. From mid-September right through the World Series he was pretty well non-existent save for one game against the Cubs. And he doesn't have the range to play CF with regularity, which is what the Mets would need for him to do. Will always appreciate what he did in August and the trade was totally worth it. But there are just too many holes in his game to put all your eggs in the Cespedes basket moving forward. |
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12-07-2015, 11:40 PM | #4787 |
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Zobrist supposedly has narrowed his list down to the Mets, Nats, and Giants. Giants are viewed as longshots now because they'd want him to primarily play LF but he'd prefer to play the bulk of his time at 2B (with the flexibility to fill in elsewhere as needed due to injuries/off-days for other guys, of course).
Really hope the Mets' courting of him pays off, they've made it no secret to him that he's their top priority. The more I think of it the more I want him on the team. Not even worried about he's age. He's a young 35 since he didn't even get a full year in the bigs until he was 28. |
12-07-2015, 11:48 PM | #4788 |
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Fair assessments. Who is going to carry that offense though? I personally wouldn't want Cespedes long term either. There is something to be said about a suitcase at that stage in his career.
It's just going to be sad to watch that pitching be wasted. |
12-08-2015, 12:02 AM | #4789 | |
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CF Span RF Granderson 2B Zobrist 3B Wright 1B Duda C d'Arnaud LF Conforto SS Flores Maybe I'm crazy but I think they could actually compete with that. Duda may be the only bonafide power hitter in that group but in such a big park they really don't need a ton of sluggers. They need guys who can get on base and move the line along. That lineup won't scare you like the one with Murphy and Cespedes did, but it's still a far better one than they threw out there for the first 3 months of last season. Also helps that I'm extremely high on Conforto. I could legit see him hitting out of the 3 hole at some point soon. Plawecki, Tejada, Lagares, and Michael "highest paid bench coach in the league" Cadaver as your backups. Would love to see them bring back Kelly Johnson too. |
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12-08-2015, 06:13 AM | #4791 |
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Should put a Kalyx Triad post warning on there. Seemed like such a good way to do it.
Damn you, discussion forum. |
12-08-2015, 06:51 AM | #4792 |
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If I were the Dodgers I'd just back out of the Chapman trade. With all the bullshit going on in the NFL with Greg Hardy and Ray Rice, last thing you need is a distraction.
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12-08-2015, 07:50 AM | #4793 |
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I'm reading about that stuff now, hadn't heard about it before. Seems like there were a lot of conflicting stories about what happened.
Allegedly she found something on his phone. She says he choked her, "but didn't prevent her from breathing," but police didn't find any redness on her neck. He says he poked her on the shoulder/neck area to say "don't talk to me that way." His driver says Chapman then locked himself in the garage and fired eight shots with his handgun. Then his driver wouldn't talk to police again. That's according to the report on Yahoo. Seems wacky/terrible any way you look at it. And I agree, ClockShot, I wouldn't want that mess (despite how great Chapman is). |
12-08-2015, 08:25 AM | #4794 |
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From a baseball/moral standpoint I would absolutely love if something wacky like this would let me sign him for 1/2 his value now.
But from a 2015 standpoint, unfortunately will probably have to avoid this one since people are morons and will make #Social #Media posts about it all offseason long |
12-08-2015, 10:47 AM | #4795 |
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Clubs have yet to confirm, but reportedly STL and SD made a deal.
Cardinals get: Jedd Gyorko Padres get: John Jay We now go live to Damian Rey for his thoughts. |
12-08-2015, 11:09 AM | #4796 |
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Cardinals will get the better end of that deal, just like they always do.
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12-08-2015, 11:31 AM | #4797 |
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Jay was injured a bunch last year too, wasn't he?
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12-08-2015, 01:15 PM | #4798 |
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This will go nowhere. Boras pushed for this (does he rep Franco too?) but isn't a frivolous idiot. This is posturing for the next negotiations in the collective bargaining agreement. Every team currently does this and are well within their right to do so.
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12-08-2015, 01:24 PM | #4799 |
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Franco is represented by Ryan Royster, who likely moonlights as the lead guitarist for Frank Drebin and The Anal Mess.
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12-08-2015, 02:14 PM | #4800 |
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Hi screech! I'm live on the scene at the winters meeting from my couch with the fallout of the deal that sends Jed Gyorko to St Louis for Jon Jay.
Good deal for the Padres solely for the fact that they get out from under the $19 million owed to Gyorko over the next three years. Also opens the door for former first round pick Corey Spangenberg to helm second base full time. Spangenberg's combination of speed, defense, and contact approach at the plate lead to a 2 WAR season over 108 games. Jay also seemingly fills a platoonspot in center. He's a contact oriented hitter who has a career 287 hitter and 350 plus on base with adequate, maybe better defense. Jay is pretty much a stop gap but the Padres needed a lefty bat and the fact Jay can play respectable defense in center is a plus, as they now have a decent platoon between Jay and Upton, Melvin. It's clearly a salary dump but a productive one at least. |