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Old 03-02-2018, 11:27 AM   #41
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Luke Harper is someone I could see doing well....he's one of my favourite under-utilized guys. It's insane how the guy can move for a 6-foot-something 260ish pound guy.
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Old 03-02-2018, 11:51 AM   #42
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Luke Harper is someone I could see doing well....he's one of my favourite under-utilized guys. It's insane how the guy can move for a 6-foot-something 260ish pound guy.
With respect to your comments, I would not be surprised if you were new to the wrestling world. It’s ok however as we all have to start somewhere, and I still respect your opinion. The word “well” is relative obviously, but the likely scenario is that Harper will never come close to being a worthy main-event champion. If he does manage to win the title, he’ll basically be a slightly better version of Jinder Mahal. Harper might receive a ‘respect push’ if he stays around long enough....like Mark Henry did a few years back, but outside of that, Harper has peaked.
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Old 03-02-2018, 02:40 PM   #43
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I have noticed people on here trying to discard what I have said in an extremely vile and abusive way, but I’ll choose to be the bigger man - again. I never once said that if someone is in the WWE for too long a time, that they can’t become a champion. What I said was that IF someone is in the WWE, and they haven’t received a (successful) significant main event push within their first two years, then their chances of being a huge draw or break away star for the company becomes significantly less. Perhaps the “2 year window” was bigger in the old days, but in the new Social media era, I would argue that the window is around 2 years. A wrestler needs to make serious inroads within their first two years otherwise their chance at being:

1) a huge draw that brings in new fans (Austin/Hogan/Rock)
2) a guy that completely owns a specific demographic (Hogan/Cena)

Becomes significantly less.....to the point of there being almost zero chance.

So yes - while guys like JBL, Jinder Mahal, etc., have been world champions, they will be seen as transitional and/or run-of-the-mill champions at best. In an absolute best case scenario, they will appeal to the IWC or the “smart mark” crowd (I.e AJ styles, Daniel Bryan, CM Punk), but their chance of being true break away stars are almost nill. Why do you think a guy like Goldberg was a far bigger star than guys like Punk, Bryan, etc? Even a guy like Batista was seen as a far bigger star despite having a fraction of the wrestling talent.

As far as Big E Langston goes, I haven’t seen him cut a serious or intense promo even one time. There is a difference between having the ability to entertain a crowd, and being able to come across as serious and legit. Having good mic skills is multidimensional and I have yet to see that from Big E. FYI - not having multi-dimensional mic skills were also a part of the reason why guys Jericho and Christian were held back during the earlier stages of their careers....although to Jericho’s credit, he greatly improved in this regard when he returned in 2007. His work between 2007-2010 was by far and away his best work...although unfortunately by that time, his “break away star potential” was long gone.
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Old 03-02-2018, 02:44 PM   #44
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Old 03-02-2018, 08:34 PM   #46
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I’ve been told that I sound like more of a Bret Hart than a Paul Heyman in real life, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. It is interesting however that you are the second poster on here to compare me to Heyman within two days. My real life voice is more low pitched like Bret’s.
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Old 03-02-2018, 09:50 PM   #47
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I've been watching wrestling for over 30 years, Luigi. Your thoughts?
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Old 03-02-2018, 10:33 PM   #48
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Old 03-03-2018, 10:13 PM   #49
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Luke Harper is someone I could see doing well....he's one of my favourite under-utilized guys. It's insane how the guy can move for a 6-foot-something 260ish pound guy.
While we are on the subject of Luke Harper, I would like to suggest the following idea: Have the Bludgeon Brothers (Harper + Rowan) come to RAW and join Braun Strowman. The three of them reunite as The Bludgeon Brothers stable. As Strowman continues to progress in his career and becomes a regular antagonist to Roman Reigns at the main-event level, you can restart a Shield vs. Wyatt Family (now Bludgeon brothers without Bray) feud. I believe this would draw great interest amongst the fans, and would further solidify Braun as a main event guy.
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While we are on the subject of Luke Harper, I would like to suggest the following idea: Have the Bludgeon Brothers (Harper + Rowan) come to RAW and join Braun Strowman. The three of them reunite as The Bludgeon Brothers stable. As Strowman continues to progress in his career and becomes a regular antagonist to Roman Reigns at the main-event level, you can restart a Shield vs. Wyatt Family (now Bludgeon brothers without Bray) feud. I believe this would draw great interest amongst the fans, and would further solidify Braun as a main event guy.
I can see t 25 yrs of watching wrestling has done you no good.

That is a really stupid idea.
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Old 03-04-2018, 02:59 AM   #51
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I can see t 25 yrs of watching wrestling has done you no good.

That is a really stupid idea.
I can see that I have been attacked in an extremely personal, vicious, and disrespectful manner. However, instead of resorting to sandbag tactics myself, I will choose to be the bigger man and respond respectfully. Here are reasons why I think my idea is good:

1) The Shield vs. Wyatt Family feud was a big hit and was still untapped. Fans loved this feud between the two factions and it was far from being played out. If the WWE chose to bring up this feud again, it wouldn't even be close to being stale. Still lots of untapped potential here.

2) It further establishes Braun as a top main-event guy. Braun is already trending as a main-eventer, but I believe him being the leader of "The Bludgeon Brothers" would really put him over the top. With Roman Reigns being the 'alpha' of The Shield, you could really establish Braun being the number one antagonist against Roman Reigns (the face of the WWE).

Shield vs. Wyatt Family (Bludgeon Brothers) part II could do good business for the WWE and could add further credibility to Braun by making him an alpha leader of a group that opposes the alpha leader of another group. Unfortunately for Bray, he is no longer worthy of being legit opposition to Roman Reigns.....whereas Braun is. These are reasons why I think my idea is good. In the future, I really would appreciate it if you could respond to me in a more respectful manner.

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Old 03-04-2018, 03:03 AM   #52
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Old 03-04-2018, 03:11 AM   #53
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How many years has Big E been on the roster?

Long enough to the point where his chances of being a relevant draw for the company are slim to none. If the WWE are serious about creating the next break away star, they should be looking to nurture and grow their NXT talent. Braun Strowman and Jason Jordan should also be pushed and protected very heavily over these next 1-2 years.
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Old 03-04-2018, 03:45 AM   #54
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New Day was the best thing for Kofi and Xavier, but it probably has put a ceiling on Big E.

and honestly Id rather see Kofi get a main event push over him just because he's been there the longest and never really gotten one.
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I like when Big E and Xavier subtly call Kofi the GOAT.
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Bret Hart took 7 years to win the big one, not sure why Luigi thinks if you don't win immediately you can never be taken seriously.
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Kofis been around 12+..safe to say he's not
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I can see that I have been attacked in an extremely personal, vicious, and disrespectful manner. However, instead of resorting to sandbag tactics myself, I will choose to be the bigger man and respond respectfully. Here are reasons why I think my idea is good:

1) The Shield vs. Wyatt Family feud was a big hit and was still untapped. Fans loved this feud between the two factions and it was far from being played out. If the WWE chose to bring up this feud again, it wouldn't even be close to being stale. Still lots of untapped potential here.

2) It further establishes Braun as a top main-event guy. Braun is already trending as a main-eventer, but I believe him being the leader of "The Bludgeon Brothers" would really put him over the top. With Roman Reigns being the 'alpha' of The Shield, you could really establish Braun being the number one antagonist against Roman Reigns (the face of the WWE).

Shield vs. Wyatt Family (Bludgeon Brothers) part II could do good business for the WWE and could add further credibility to Braun by making him an alpha leader of a group that opposes the alpha leader of another group. Unfortunately for Bray, he is no longer worthy of being legit opposition to Roman Reigns.....whereas Braun is. These are reasons why I think my idea is good. In the future, I really would appreciate it if you could respond to me in a more respectful manner.
Its still dumb and I didn't attack you I said your idea is stupid

1. Neither group would be what it once was and Bruan is not a leader type hes either a lone wrecking machine or the muscle. Essentially you'd end up with 3 big dudes as a stable can't see that working out.At this point it would be a step back for Bruan.


2. Fans will NEVER get behind Roman as a face against a heel Bruan Stroman. Like it or not Braun is pretty much the biggest face in the company and he has it all over Roman. Hes bigger fans LOVE him he can actually talk.
He can actually be adorable and funny (see Alexa Bliss interactions)and then turn around and destroy people without losing a shred of dignity or credibility.

Hes also crazy athletic for being so huge

You're dreaming if you think Roman wouldnt be booed outta the building everytime they fought and we've also seen that even the Shield rub no longer helps Reigns the fans still boo the shit outta him and just cheer Dean and Seth.

Bruan is great on his own and the Bludgeon bros are becoming a force on SD they are fine being seperate.
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I like when Big E and Xavier subtly call Kofi the GOAT.
really I missed that one

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With respect to your comments, I would not be surprised if you were new to the wrestling world. It’s ok however as we all have to start somewhere, and I still respect your opinion. The word “well” is relative obviously, but the likely scenario is that Harper will never come close to being a worthy main-event champion. If he does manage to win the title, he’ll basically be a slightly better version of Jinder Mahal. Harper might receive a ‘respect push’ if he stays around long enough....like Mark Henry did a few years back, but outside of that, Harper has peaked.
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I don't think it's out of the question that a guy could win a a main event title given the current landscape and fact that the E has two "top" titles. Jinder Mahal fucking won. A guy who has absolutely zero success outside of a comedy jobber. Big E has a shot if they keep the brand split going
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He is ridiculously underrated though
Feels like a point where they were doing it every promo.
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Old 03-11-2018, 12:35 AM   #66
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Bret Hart took 7 years to win the big one, not sure why Luigi thinks if you don't win immediately you can never be taken seriously.
I'm not saying that you can't be taken seriously if you win the WWE championship two years after being in the company. CM Punk and Daniel Bryan have already proven this in the modern era. What I'm saying is that one's potential and likelihood for stardom becomes significantly less....especially in the modern era.

Guys like The Rock, Austin, Goldberg, and John Cena all made very serious leaps within their first two years of being in the company (Austin completely re-invented himself in 1996 and in that era, it was easier for the fans to forget about a wrestler's past history with other organisations). The WWE did that with Roman Reigns. The WWE's biggest goal should always be in finding and developing the next Cena/Hogan/Austin/Rocky, etc. Both the WWE and the wrestlers themselves should be cognissant of the fact that their 'opportunity potential' is greatest if they make serious in-roads within their first two years.

If you look at today's roster.....can guys like The Miz and Sheamus be WWE champion again? Of course they can. However, their chances of actually taking the company to new heights (Hogan) or completely owning and connecting with a certain demographic (Cena-kids) is very unlikely.
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Old 03-11-2018, 12:42 AM   #67
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Its still dumb and I didn't attack you I said your idea is stupid

1. Neither group would be what it once was
And you know this......how?

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and Bruan is not a leader type hes either a lone wrecking machine or the muscle. Essentially you'd end up with 3 big dudes as a stable can't see that working out.At this point it would be a step back for Bruan.
This group doesn't have to come out and cut Triple H-like promos week in week out. They can cater to their strengths and simply destroy people. For example - what if this Braun-lead stable completely squashed Big Show, Kane, and Mark Henry at a future PPV? Wouldn't that give these guys massive credibility?


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2. Fans will NEVER get behind Roman as a face against a heel Bruan Stroman. Like it or not Braun is pretty much the biggest face in the company and he has it all over Roman. Hes bigger fans LOVE him he can actually talk.
He can actually be adorable and funny (see Alexa Bliss interactions)and then turn around and destroy people without losing a shred of dignity or credibility.

Hes also crazy athletic for being so huge

You're dreaming if you think Roman wouldnt be booed outta the building everytime they fought and we've also seen that even the Shield rub no longer helps Reigns the fans still boo the shit outta him and just cheer Dean and Seth.
You seem to have misinterpreted what I said. I said that Roman Reigns was the current 'Face' of the company (WWE grooming him to be their #1 guy), but in a potential Bludgeon Brothers/Shield feud, the fans could decide who they want to cheer for. If the fans start gravitating towards Braun Strowman and the Bludgeon Brothers for instance, then more power to the fans......and maybe the WWE can start evaluating as to whether Braun should be the true 'face/alpha' of the company.

The purpose of a Shield/Bludgeon Brother feud would be three-fold:

1) It establishes Braun and being on the same level as Roman.
2) The WWE get a popular and still untapped feud on their hands which the fans would eat up.
3) It allows guys like Harper and Rowan to become relevant again, while also allowing guys like Rollins and Ambrose to stay relevant.
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Old 03-11-2018, 01:36 AM   #68
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Big Show, Kane and Mark Henry have zero credibility. Beating them means jack shit.

The fans have crapped on Roman for 3 years running. The company isn't going to reevaluate anything. They're going with Reigns regardless of crowd reaction.
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Big Show, Kane and Mark Henry have zero credibility. Beating them means jack shit.

The fans have crapped on Roman for 3 years running. The company isn't going to reevaluate anything. They're going with Reigns regardless of crowd reaction.
I'm not sure if I completely agree with that. I agree that Big Show, Kane, and Mark Henry don't have the credibility that they once did, but I think the marks would definitely turn some heads if these guys were flat out SQUASHED by a Strowman-lead Bludgeon Brothers group. For the record, I'd also have Strowman to be the one to retire Undertaker for good. Have Taker go over Cena at Mania. Later on in the year, maybe Summerslam, Strowman and Taker somehow have a feud and have Strowman be the one to finally end Undertaker.
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Braun should do a 3v1 match against Show, Henry, and Kane. That might mean a little.
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Old 03-11-2018, 11:42 AM   #71
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Braun should do a 3v1 match against Show, Henry, and Kane. That might mean a little.
I would not go that far, but honestly?

I'd have Strowman be the one to definitively retire Mark Henry, Kane, Big Show, and Undertaker in one-on-one matches.
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And you know this......how?
I'm going through groups who've broken up and reformed in my head and so far The 4 Horsemen are the only stable I can think of that kept working

And I'm talking about actually broke apart and went their separate ways not reshuffle membership

Last incarnation of DX was a severely watered down version of what it originally was.

nWo 2000

WWE nWo

Evolution

Shield (and it was dying a death before Roman got the clap from Bray Wyatt) Don't get me wrong the start up with Seth and Dean was great. But other than that the same spark just wasn't there anymore (maybe because it was less focused on The Shield as a unit and more of a vehicle to get Roman over)

Every version of the Corporation since the original

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I'm not sure if I completely agree with that. I agree that Big Show, Kane, and Mark Henry don't have the credibility that they once did, but I think the marks would definitely turn some heads if these guys were flat out SQUASHED by a Strowman-lead Bludgeon Brothers group. For the record, I'd also have Strowman to be the one to retire Undertaker for good. Have Taker go over Cena at Mania. Later on in the year, maybe Summerslam, Strowman and Taker somehow have a feud and have Strowman be the one to finally end Undertaker.
I don't think the marks or casual fans would give two shits. Those 3 guys have been pro jobbers for the better part of a decade, give or take. Beating them means nothing.

Braun doesn't need the Bludgeon brothers and vice versa. Braunis doing just fine on his own. What those guys need is clear direction. Uniting themdoesn't seem to have any long term purpose. Braun is already a main event talent on his own.
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Long enough to the point where his chances of being a relevant draw for the company are slim to none. If the WWE are serious about creating the next break away star, they should be looking to nurture and grow their NXT talent. Braun Strowman and Jason Jordan should also be pushed and protected very heavily over these next 1-2 years.
One, you rode right past the gimmick joke to make that "stunning" observation.

Two, in said observation, you're talking about how both Braun and Porkchop Jones should be pushed and protected, yet he's been on the roster (counting NXT for both men) a bit longer than Big E. I believe Jason Jordan was around while both Vader's and Steamboat's kid was still there. Yet, somehow, Etor is beyond his sell-by date, yet Jason has another couple of years of cultivation? Hell, by that logic, WWE should have given up on Roman Reigns about 4 years ago, because he was in developmental when FCW was a thing.

You seem to miss the fact that quite a bit of who gets what push is kinda arbitrary. Baron Corbin blows, but he somehow ticks all of Vince's boxes, but Cesaro was a guy who, at one point, embodied exactly what they want Corbin to be - a tall, "larger than life" amoral asskicker (even when saddled with kinda shitty gimmicks) and even with the "shortcoming" of not being able to talk, he had one guy in his (metaphorical) corner once upon a when who COULD do the talking, and I don't mean Dutch, I mean Paul Heyman. But what happened? They let all that evaporate, most likely because him getting over wasn't part of whatever the hell creative was planning at the time.

And this has always been a thing; culminations of "having it" and "right place/right time". For example, if someone went back in a time machine during the height of Hulkamania and said that the less charismatic half of the Hart Foundation was going to be a future WWF Champion, one half of The Rockers would also be a future WWF Champion, and the two of them would end up in not only a legendary feud, and both be considered to of the all-time greats, but end up in one of the craziest events that changes the entire course of wrestling history, people would think out were totally outside of your mind because they are just some lower to midcard tag team guys.

"Austin 3:16" happened because HHH was arbitrarily punished (there was more happenstance in there, but I'm oversimplifying to get to my point), and had Hunter not been part of the curtain call, one of the biggest icons in merch and pop culture would have just been some midcard-at-best also-ran who people would have debates about how much more he potentially could have been if he were given half a chance, or possibly been more memorable if Hollywood Blondes just reformed in WWF... because they more than likely would have just booked him like a chump, and he'd have been losing to Road Dogg and Savio Vega on the regular.

Truth is you don't know what Big E has. Nobody does. And if WWE doesn't position him in any capacity to be more, nobody ever will know.

As far as that Wyatt Family pipe dream: that's another group of guys completely mishandled. Piss-poor booking took what was a fresh gimmick and potential "second coming" of Undertaker in Bray, and relegated him into a rambling joke jobber to the stars who is no kind of threat to anyone. Harper was the favored son; once again, a tall asskicker, but on his little singles jaunt, they didn't do anything of note with him. They seemed to expect Rowan to get a face run by osmosis by listing his eclecticism and hoping they could just sell a shit ton of sheep masks. In other words, he did even less than Harper, because at least Harper got a short singles title run. And Brawn? Did you *see* how long it took for them just to do something with the guy? He's EXACTLY what people think of when folks mention Vince's "big man fetish", and they still took forever to have him do anything of note besides squash jobbers and other people who weren't doing anything.

And they *did* feed Mark Henry, Big Show, and Kane to Braun already as a singles. And they still almost didn't follow up on that. Doing it again as some half-ass group would accomplish about as much as when they had Rusev go through the "proud American trio" (Mark Henry, Jack Swagger, and Zack Ryder) in at least three rotations, with Ryder sprinkled in there a couple of extra times... which is to say it won't accomplish squat.
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