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Old 03-13-2012, 04:51 AM   #441
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They're fucked. A lot of their best military minds are stuck floating around Earth.
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Well, they still have FTL drives. But without the instantness of the mass relays. It'll take years for them to get back. Which, while minor, is something I wanna know about
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Regarding the Cerberus Headquarters mission and end game content.

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The info for this says that when you start, you are fully commited to fighting the Reapers. Does this mean I will no longer be able to do side quests and shit, because it's the start of the final missions? If I go through with it and beat the game (I presume), do all the side quests go away? What is left to do? Harvest planets?

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I have to wonder what kind of ending people would have been happy with.
Probably one that didn't involve Deus Ex Machina pulled from dark orifices at the last minute. And one that made sense.
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I'd probably have web happier of Shepard reached over and unmasked the Ghost VI kid to reveal Old Man Jenkins who would have gotten away with it all if it hadn't been for us pesky kids
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Regarding the Cerberus Headquarters mission and end game content.

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The info for this says that when you start, you are fully commited to fighting the Reapers. Does this mean I will no longer be able to do side quests and shit, because it's the start of the final missions? If I go through with it and beat the game (I presume), do all the side quests go away? What is left to do? Harvest planets?

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Once you finish, you get dumped right back before that mission so you can do all the missed side quests if you fancy it
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Damn right that needed spoilers.
I was being nice as I remember some people getting upset when I revealed that you could be drunk in GTA4 before the game came out as a spoiler.
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I have to wonder what kind of ending people would have been happy with. My issue with my ending isn't that it wasn't good, I thought it was very good. I just wish my decisions mattered. If I had gotten this exact ending because of things I did in ME2 I would be satisfied and there would be a lot more replay value.

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The two words that describe my disappointment in the ending are choices and closure. The vid DTTS posted on the last page perfectly sums up my thoughts. The choices never matter and you get no closure to this wonderfully drawn narrative.

Think about the Rock/Cena match at Mainia or go back to Punk/Cena at Money in the Bank. Take the insane time build to Cena/Rock and combine it with you being pulled into the story like Punk/Cena and the anticipation you would have for it. Now give that match the same outcome as Jeff Hardy/Sting with no mention of it the next night on Raw. “That’s it, kiddies!” How does it feel? Like you just got kicked in the balls by a stallion race horse, and its gonna take some recovery time.

The comic posted about the stages of grief are hilarious too. I keep hoping that they’re trolling us Jericho style, just waiting 1 or 2 months for us to go from cheering to booing so they can tell us that we have all been indoctrinated at the end just like Shep. The odd thing is that there are a lot of loose ends that play into this theory which, if true, would be just too sweet. Anyone ever get why Vega was always hearing humming? No boss battle? Shep can only survive if you pick what is presented as the renegade choice? In any case, it seems so hard to believe that after having the recipe for success that this is what we got since it deviated so far from what they did in the past. Unless this theory is the case – I’m done. Not joining any petition, not following anyone on twitter, not buying anymore content, no multiplayer, not doing another playthrough. Done.

Look, I’m happy for you if you liked the ending, thought it was artsy or whatever. All I can say is that there are people out there who saw Catwoman in the theater, then went and bought it when it came out on DVD because they legitimately thought it was a great movie. You might not have known it, but you just bought Catwoman.
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I have to wonder what kind of ending people would have been happy with. My issue with my ending isn't that it wasn't good, I thought it was very good. I just wish my decisions mattered. If I had gotten this exact ending because of things I did in ME2 I would be satisfied and there would be a lot more replay value.

Still enjoying the multiplayer though. Played it all night.
Honestly hoping the 'Crucible' was just what they thought it was, a deus ex machina. Really kind of wanted a literal happy ending.

One of those, Shepard deserves an ending that doesn't end with him being shot, stabbed, or blown up.
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I don't want a happy ending, I want a non-rushed ending with closure about the surviving crew.

I witnessed a girl having a nervous breakdown playing it who liked the ending and as much as she wanted to skip off with her love at the end, she knew it was time for her to go.

She cried thought the whole game it seems.
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You can't please everyone and in this case it seems Bioware pleased no one with their three generic endings.

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I think people might have been cool with the choice of three if it had felt like we accomplished something. The last fire-fight was crazy and it took a lot for me to get through it alive. We defeated a Reaper in the process, but it didn't feel like we got the boss battle we were expecting. If we had gotten the choices as a reward for destroying Super Reaper or some shit, some people wouldn't be so annoyed right now.

Regardless, there are a ton of unhappy people who are unhappy for very different reasons. It makes me wonder if anyone during the project raised there hand and asked, "This isn't the real ending...is it?"
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Probably going to be a matter of time until someone tries to find out if this one is also on the disc depending once all the details get revealed.

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Howabout one where Bioware kept up with their claims? I mean, they were talking multiple, fluid endings to the series.

This is bordering on Peter Molyneux syndrome, and that's before plot holes you can drive the Normandy through.

Having not purchased the game, I don't feel "ripped off," per se, but that's a pretty lousy ending to a series that was supposed to be all about choices and shit.
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I didn't have a problem with the endings in the most basic sense. To me, the series has been building towards an ultimate showdown with the Reapers and throughout the story it has been painted as next to impossible to achieve victory. The choices at the end amount to making a hard choice in order to achieve that victory.

That being said, I think the various endings do leave something to be desired. Like others have said we're left to draw conclusions or speculate as to what happened to characters at the end. As has also been pointed out there are some continuity issues with choices that carried over from previous titles.

I'm alright with the direction that the game was taken because I can live without the cliche "everyone survives even though the chances of winning in the first place were slim to none" ending. I think it could have been done better though.
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Hang on to those Mass Effect 3 saves once you’re done, folks – BioWare may have plans to make use of them in the future.
“It wouldn’t be a bad idea (to keep your ME3 saves)” said Associate Producer Mike Gamble talking to GamerZinest last week. “Obviously I can’t say anything, but it wouldn’t be a bad idea…”
Mass Effect 2 and 3 both use save states from the games prior to determine the player’s previous actions and use them to help shape the story.
Could a future Mass Effect game be affected by the decisions you make in Mass Effect 3?
Mass Effect 3 is the last game in the Shepard trilogy, but BioWare hasn’t ruled out the option to return to the Mass Effect universe in the future.
As for Shepard’s send-off, Gamble says that it has to leave players satisfied.
“We want the outcomes to be satisfying to the player. That doesn’t necessarily mean they’re all going to be happy or positive, but they have to be satisfying. Players have to understand that the choices they’ve been making in this game and in previous have had an impact, and that they’re an architect in what happens.”
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Howabout one where Bioware kept up with their claims? I mean, they were talking multiple, fluid endings to the series.

This is bordering on Peter Molyneux syndrome, and that's before plot holes you can drive the Normandy through.

Having not purchased the game, I don't feel "ripped off," per se, but that's a pretty lousy ending to a series that was supposed to be all about choices and shit.
How dare you, both endings that come from one single choice at the end are very different.

The main plot was always fucked, I just looked at it like big black robots to kill, oh well. All the time the subplots, attachment to the crew and quite well executed interspecies politics kept me coming back.

The thing with Molyneux is that when his games were good, most of the ideas he had that never made it in were superficial anyway. He loved talking about things they were probably trying, but was way too early as they didn't even know if it was possible now. Bioware have basically lied about a very fundamental aspect to the game and even through doing that, if the ending had any closure in at all after a game I found an immense amount of joy in up until that point, I probably would have just thought "oh you Bioware, you lying little toerags. I'll let you off this time!".

But no. We got what I am assuming is the deadline ending no matter if they do DLC the ending or not.

Obviously this "save your save111!!1" is making me think DLC ending even more, but they could make a Mass Effect 4 that a Miranda that's been reconstructed by Jacob reconstructs Shepard one... more... time....

Then we find out that Desmond ruined this series too by looking at the events through an Animus in 4156.
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I dunno. After watching the endings it makes me glad I didn't waste a lot of time and aggravation trying to get a perfect playthrough. Only went in with all theaters at 52%. Not sure what would've changed if they were at 100%. Am happy though that I now get to attack some others games on my shelf.
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How dare you, both endings that come from one single choice at the end are very different.
Yeah, one's blue and one's red.

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The main plot was always fucked, I just looked at it like big black robots to kill, oh well. All the time the subplots, attachment to the crew and quite well executed interspecies politics kept me coming back.
The main plot was pretty good in the first one. It was still heavily reminiscent of a dozen other movies/novels/whatever, but it was constructed pretty well. Honestly, I only thought the plot went down the shitter somewhere in the second game.

I think a good chunk of that was the lack of Drew Karpyshyn. And yeah, I know he was a writer in ME2, but he was no longer the writer. The series was hackneyed, but still lovingly crafted. Similarly, his novels were some of the best game books ever. The novels were awesome right up until someone else started writing them, then down the crapper.

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I don't buy that. He promised the moon on pretty much every front.

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Bioware have basically lied about a very fundamental aspect to the game and even through doing that, if the ending had any closure in at all after a game I found an immense amount of joy in up until that point, I probably would have just thought "oh you Bioware, you lying little toerags. I'll let you off this time!".
Promising dynamic endings doesn't seem that much different than what Molyneux did during the Fable series.

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But no. We got what I am assuming is the deadline ending no matter if they do DLC the ending or not.
The current "story" going around the web based on cracked files on the disc and whatnot is that they scrapped the original ending and threw this one together. I'm not sure if that counts as a "deadline" ending in this case, but there you have "it."

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Obviously this "save your save111!!1" is making me think DLC ending even more, but they could make a Mass Effect 4 that a Miranda that's been reconstructed by Jacob reconstructs Shepard one... more... time....
Well, based on what they were saying prior, one could safely assume that there would be more games, thought Shep's story is supposed to be over. Then again, considering they lied about the ending, Shep's fate is slightly indeterminate, and the ending kind of wipes out a lot of the choices you made, it's possible this is no longer a meaningful deal.

I'm pretty sure, even after their recent complaints that DLC six months down the line is worthless, we will see some. I'm only skeptical on the point of the saves being a big thing.

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God, we master artificial intelligence, and we still can't give Desmond a personality.
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So I chose to destroy the Reapers. Does Shepard survive in the other endings as well or just that one?
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Pretty good article about the ending:

http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect...ans-are-right/
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I think so. However, I redid it as Synthesis so that Joker and EDI could have more sex. Also, I enjoyed the original Star Trek movie...
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http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect...ans-are-right/

Ha, I actually read that yesterday after I beat it.
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I think so. However, I redid it as Synthesis so that Joker and EDI could have more sex. Also, I enjoyed the original Star Trek movie...
Oh, so you're the one.
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There's no way around it, the ending was bad. I can't honestly think of anything to point out (complain about) that hasn't been addressed by articles or other message boards.

The problem I had is that none of those 3 choices at the end were in line of what my Shepard would have chose. My Shepard was sympathetic toward the Geth and believed every race deserved a chance so he wouldn't have done the Paragon route of destroying all sentient life which included the Geth, EDI, and I dunno, some advanced ipads maybe. He wouldn't have gone the Renegade route by controlling them because he was always against that and never believed it could work. And then I guess the 3rd option only unlocks if you meet certain criteria which I met but I still decided against it because that ending wouldn't have made much sense either.

It's hard to imagine any one person's Shepard to be comfortable with one of the three choices at the end, to be honest. Actually, doesn't it seem like the Paragon and Renegade endings should be switched here? If you go full Paragon, doesn't it make more sense to choose the Renegade ending and control the reapers and let every species live? If you go full Renegade, doesn't it make more sense if you choose the Paragon ending by wiping out synthetic life (which you presumably didn't enjoy in the first place if you were a Renegade) and allowing the advanced species to prosper?

Or do I have the endings backwards in the first place? Because here is a video that shows all of the endings. The top (Red) are destroy while the middle (Blue) are control. I was always under the impression that blue was Paragon/destroy and Red was Renegade/control.

I chose Paragon/destroy (at least I thought I did) and ended up with a blue ending.



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I actually don't mind the relays being destroyed no matter what outcome was chosen. It's sad, sure, but it's a finite ending to the series. Whereas the jungle scene is... odd. Apparently Joker is supposed to land with your love interest (Ashley in my case) and a member of your squad that helped you in the final mission. I was too busy wondering if Joker and Ash were symbolic of a new age sci-fi Adam and Eve (Ashley (woman) was created by sucking the essence of Joker's (man) bones (extra rib)) on whateverthefuck planet this was to notice anything else but I do think I remember Javik coming out of the shuttle too. I'm not sure.

The Javik situation is a fucking mess too. I was going to wait and actually play him before I bitched about it and now that I've finished it, there's no fucking way he is "additional" content. That shit is on disc and they locked it just to get more money out of me, those bastards. They knew exactly what they were doing to me and I knew it too as I was purchasing it.

But I'm not purchasing a DLC ending. That's where I draw the line. Unless, you know, the DLC is something ridiculous like 20 different possible outcomes. Then... I dunno...ask me about it when/if that happens

When Shepard got knocked out by the laser, I thought he was dead. When Anderson explicitly said "I'm crossing over to the other side" when he was inside the Citidel and Shepard responded with "Don't go without me" I was so sure that Shep was in heaven or some religious afterlife and it would end with him there. And then from there, the situation and ending that plays out in my head is better than what the actual ending was. Hell, I've read a handful of fan endings that were WAY better than we got.

The ending is bad. What a shame.
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When they asked Javik if he had any knowledge on the weapon they were building, I was hoping he would say something along the lines of "That's not a weapon. You guys are building a giant statue of a Prothean phallus. What the hell is wrong with you people?"
You know... if you think about it... when the Crucible shed it's excess "plating"... and touched the Citidel with it's tip...I mean... that's kind of what happened...
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And lastly, here's this:




I'm probably going to go play this one more time to enjoy the cutscenes and turn my speakers up to full blast. Gunna choose the green ending too. And then never play again.
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