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Old 06-24-2020, 11:11 AM   #441
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Old 06-24-2020, 11:27 AM   #442
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Even in countries/states where 16 is the age of consent, there's a massive gap in mental and emotional maturity.

Can't accuse of underage sex if both people are legal, legal age is legal age. But I would definitely have a hard time imagining the older person wasn't being manipulative in some way.

Even if there's no legal wrongdoing, anyone in their 20s feeling the need to date/pursue someone who would be the age of a high school sophomore would definitely get the side-eye from me.
I think, for sure there’s some questions to be asked of most relationships when there’s a huge age difference, and I’m not really wading in on the Scrull situation, other than to say “let’s make sure the facts are straight”.
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April Hunter alleging she was abused and practically tortured by Raven during a European tour. Numerous other people including Daffney have reached out to her with similar stories.

Not really surprised at that one, if true. Raven's a smart guy but always seemed to have a screw loose. Plus there's always been a longstanding rumor that he was caught in bed with a 15-year old Becky Bayless during the ECW days.
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Old 06-24-2020, 03:02 PM   #445
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Old 06-24-2020, 03:07 PM   #447
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Old 06-24-2020, 03:14 PM   #448
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I've already been cancelled, after claiming there was no dirt on me.
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Old 06-24-2020, 03:27 PM   #449
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The CHIKARA roster has been resigning en masse so yeah it's pretty much game over for them.
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Old 06-24-2020, 06:41 PM   #450
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I had no clue Chikara was still running. I don't really feel like wading through those statements. I assume Quackenbush was the name that came up?
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Old 06-24-2020, 07:10 PM   #452
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There's more news on the Cornette front. Apparently a guy from OVW named Josh Ashcraft is coming forward and saying that he was the guy that Phil Earley was alluding to. He claims he was contacted by the Cornettes and their attorney about it, and he denies being "okay" with the whole thing like Cornette alleged on the podcast when talking about the Stacey messages.

Not good for Cornette at all, if true. The accusations have all been hearsay and rumors from talent that kind of disproved them in their second breaths. This is an actual alleged first-hand account, that would actually probably be at least somewhat corroborated by evidence of emails, messages, phone calls, etc. from the Cornettes and their attorney, etc.

Really hope this isn't true and just more of the Joey Janela-esque idiot brigade trying to fuck with people, but that seems like an awful thing to lie about and potentially fuck up your own career, as tiny and insignificant as it is. I can't see Al Snow keeping the guy in OVW if it turns out he is lying, for example.

All that being said, I just can't get past how these guys can't spell the names of the people they are accusing or their alleged friends in the business right. Ashcraft misspells "Earley" as "Early" and Earley misspells "Stacey" as "Stacy." I try not to mock people for their spelling and grammar, but when you're making "statements," you should probably spell people's names correctly using something as source material. The whole thing just makes me feel naive to just how backwoods wrestling can be.
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Yeah but Cornette won't care unless he's literally tried, convicted, and thrown in prison.
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My thing with Cornette is he pretty much said "if you close your business or go into rehab to treat 'something else' that could cause the abuse, you're admitting guilt."

To me, that sounds like a guy telling you his playbook. Act like it's business as usual and that the claims are utterly preposterous so that you sound credible. Again, the claims could be complete nonsense and a way to fuck over Cornette, you never know. But just because he's brushing them off and acting confident he couldn't have done anything questionable doesn't mean shit.

Anyway, I don't see this getting all that far other than to make the people who hate Cornette hate him that much more while emboldening "the cult." Really difficult to nail someone for this, and Cornette already doesn't work for anyone.
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Probably not. And to be honest, there is plenty of wriggle-room in the story.

* I don't think Jim Cornette was involved in OVW at this point in time.

* Ashcraft, who apparently said he was not okay with it, is still employed by OVW from the looks of it.

* Ashcraft's own story is that he failed a piss test and got his hotel inspected because he wasn't supposed to have anyone else in there. This could be harassment if the Cornettes arranged it or whatever, but failing a piss test and violating building codes are his responsibility. A shitty thing for the Cornettes (not sure if he's lobbing the criticism at Jim or Stacey, really) to do, but not exactly criminal behavior. The guy breaking the rules is actually this Ashcraft guy.

* Re-reading them, it sounds like Stacey did try to get him fired from OVW, which is shitty. Didn't happen though. No mention of Jim doing that. There's also talk about Stacey doing a self-harm thing to try and emotionally abuse him. That seems like the closest thing to an actual crime in all this.

Sounds like Ashcraft is talking about a consensual relationship with Stacey that he wanted to get out of, Stacey got mad about, with possible stalking and harassment resulting. Ashcraft seems to believe that him getting popped for the piss test and getting inspected is the Cornettes' doing (either Stacey or Jim).

It'll be interesting to see if/how Jim addresses that.
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Old 06-24-2020, 07:35 PM   #456
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One thing I did kind of morbidly enjoy in Cornette's response was "Fuck no I'm not taking these seriously." It sounds brazen, but when everyone talks in hushed tones and always throat clears a "these are very serious times" preface to everything they say, it is kind of refreshing for a (hopefully) innocent man (at least the way he's framing it), to say "these are fucking lies and this is fucking bullshit."

One thing you can't say about Cornette's language is that it's indirect or filled with euphemisms for anything other than color.
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The CHIKARA roster has been resigning en masse so yeah it's pretty much game over for them.
Yeup, an official announcement of the company shutting down is expected to be made very soon.

Same for Mike Quackenbush announcing he's resigning as the head trainer of the WrestleFactory wrestling school.

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We are told by multiple sources that Quackenbush will also announce he is resigning at the head trainer of the WrestleFactory wrestling academy in Philadelphia, PA ...

There were numerous allegations made overnight, describing alleged systematic abuse towards female trainees and staffers. You can find those accounts at this link. We are told in the wake of the allegations, Quackenbush held numerous meetings with Zoom overnight and this afternoon with talents and staff.
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Probably not. And to be honest, there is plenty of wriggle-room in the story.

* I don't think Jim Cornette was involved in OVW at this point in time.

* Ashcraft, who apparently said he was not okay with it, is still employed by OVW from the looks of it.

* Ashcraft's own story is that he failed a piss test and got his hotel inspected because he wasn't supposed to have anyone else in there. This could be harassment if the Cornettes arranged it or whatever, but failing a piss test and violating building codes are his responsibility. A shitty thing for the Cornettes (not sure if he's lobbing the criticism at Jim or Stacey, really) to do, but not exactly criminal behavior. The guy breaking the rules is actually this Ashcraft guy.

* Re-reading them, it sounds like Stacey did try to get him fired from OVW, which is shitty. Didn't happen though. No mention of Jim doing that. There's also talk about Stacey doing a self-harm thing to try and emotionally abuse him. That seems like the closest thing to an actual crime in all this.

Sounds like Ashcraft is talking about a consensual relationship with Stacey that he wanted to get out of, Stacey got mad about, with possible stalking and harassment resulting. Ashcraft seems to believe that him getting popped for the piss test and getting inspected is the Cornettes' doing (either Stacey or Jim).

It'll be interesting to see if/how Jim addresses that.
The piss test is set up from the athletic commission, yes?
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The piss test is set up from the athletic commission, yes?
I've got no clue. OVW might reserve the right to privately piss test employees? If so, I don't know how Danny Davis' name doesn't come into this more often. He was the guy running OVW at the time, so was he in on this thing?
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Wouldn't surprise me, he's had nudes leak at some point.

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I used to quite like Striker's commentary. I don't know what was wrong with me.
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Striker was the hotness for about 6 months. People LOVED Striker for a while.
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Todd Grisham & Matt Striker felt like a really good duo for a bit. I'm trying to remember. I have a lot of suppressed memories from this period of wrestling.
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I remember going to a live Raw in 2005 and Striker did a promo segment for Heat. His teacher character was fairly new at this point and man the guy was a heat magnet when he first went there.
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Yeah I recall Striker's good commentary days being on ECW. Then he got to be a bit too overbearing.

His "THIS IS A MARK OUT MOMENT. I'M MARKING OUT BRO!" line when Booker T and Diesel returned in the 2011 Rumble. Cringe.
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I remember going to a live Raw in 2005 and Striker did a promo segment for Heat. His teacher character was fairly new at this point and man the guy was a heat magnet when he first went there.
I loved that gimmick. I loved Striker with Big Daddy V.
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Old 06-25-2020, 12:25 AM   #468
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Yeah I recall Striker's good commentary days being on ECW. Then he got to be a bit too overbearing.

His "THIS IS A MARK OUT MOMENT. I'M MARKING OUT BRO!" line when Booker T and Diesel returned in the 2011 Rumble. Cringe.
People were like "awesome, one of us is announcing", and then they realized how annoying they are.
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I can appreciate announcers making the occasional wink wink reference to things, but that was just so obnoxious lol
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I tried to defend it at the time, haha. I wanted to like Striker so bad.

Even more obscure than his ECW run as Big Daddy V's manager (well, that wasn't so obscure), was that one week he was Tyson Kidd's "super agent" on Superstars. I think it was Kidd, anyway. TK went through weeks of having a new guy in his corner every week. I think JTG did it one week. Striker had a headset and walked around ringside pretending to talk to someone the whole time.
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He CLEARLY has a passion for the business, but his application is just a little much sometimes.
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lol that all-women's season of NXT when Striker, Mathews, and Cole were just completely fucking around the entire time
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People also started turning on Striker when he started making incorrect obscure references and it was happening a lot.
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I tried to defend it at the time, haha. I wanted to like Striker so bad.

Even more obscure than his ECW run as Big Daddy V's manager (well, that wasn't so obscure), was that one week he was Tyson Kidd's "super agent" on Superstars. I think it was Kidd, anyway. TK went through weeks of having a new guy in his corner every week. I think JTG did it one week. Striker had a headset and walked around ringside pretending to talk to someone the whole time.
I'm pretty sure Michael Hayes did as well
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I'm pretty sure Michael Hayes did as well
Yes! That's right.

Fuck, I actually really liked Tyson Kidd and don't even feel guilty about it.

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People also started turning on Striker when he started making incorrect obscure references and it was happening a lot.
Sometimes him being incorrect didn't even need to be obscure. "CENA'S FREE!"
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