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Old 06-26-2020, 11:58 AM   #481
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Old 06-26-2020, 01:27 PM   #482
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WWE released Ligero
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Old 06-26-2020, 01:32 PM   #483
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They've pulled down Travis Banks' profile as well so he's probably next.
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Old 06-26-2020, 06:04 PM   #484
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Was it Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty who used to roofie women's drinks then shave their heads?

Also I'm pretty sure the Brisco brothers used to drug other wrestlers and mess with them. I'm sure there's a story about them dosing Gene Anderson or someone.
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Marty was willing to fuck his step daughter or whatever so wouldn't be a shocker.
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Erm...someone stole his phone.

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According to Fightful, WWE is preparing more releases soon to cleanse their roster of problematic talent.

Also hinted Velveteen Dream's days in the company are now numbered since some other stuff about him have recently popped up and are unrelated to his current accusations.



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Old 06-26-2020, 08:36 PM   #488
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The WWE would obviously love to be as clean as possible from any possible scandal. Their stock and business image is way too connected to their PR and their business relationships. Other promotions like AEW and TNA can afford to be more haphazard with how their implement disciplinary measures, to the extent that they just have to not piss off whatever fans they have too much. Well, in AEW's case they need to look after the TNT relationship.

I'm not surprised that WWE is being careful with this too and not just firing everyone whose name comes up. The last thing they want to do is invite "big bad company" perspectives for firing people who don't deserve it, which could be a hit to their public image on its own, and possibly invite inquisitions into their past as an entity.
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WWE's also been more careful because the sheer scope of the accusations is way too much for them to simply sweep under the rug and them being pre-occupied with the coronavirus outbreak and other PR nightmare happening at their Performance Center.

Right now, WWE's looking at a brand that's potentially beyond saving (NXT UK), a wrestling scene that's in a very dire situation (UK), and notable talent being among those accused instead of just some low level guys.
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Old 06-26-2020, 09:16 PM   #491
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The UK stuff, like, it's also largely because I don't give a fuck about NXT UK and always think the internet bubble exaggerates "indy resurgences," but I'd just fucking cut it. If there are talents that are worth a shit that don't have anything against their name, offer them a spot in the US. If they don't want to take it, so be it. Take the hit and move on.
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Old 06-26-2020, 09:31 PM   #492
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The wrestling renaissance in the UK was real but lasted a couple of years at most and got killed off by WWE and ITV before it could truly blossom or hit the next level. Rev Pro, Progress, and OTT likely don't get the deals they currently have with NJPW and WWE if it wasn't for that renaissance period.

Problem with simply shutting down NXT UK and moving talent to the US is the regular PC is already way too bloated to take on more talent without more call-ups being made which would just lead to the main roster being even more bloated. Plus doubt Triple H wants another big black mark on his NXT global expansion plans considering the biggest supporters of ditching the brand got fired a while ago (WWE's former co-presidents).
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Real to what extent? Nothing was booming. PROGRESS having a few hundred people interested? What does that mean?
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Old 06-26-2020, 10:05 PM   #494
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If NXT UK got shut down I reckon they’d offer WALTER, Toni Storm, Kay Lee Ray, Tyler Bate, and Gallus spots in the US (though Bate and one of the Gallus names are still being looked into as part of the scandal). Plus Pete Dunne returning to the US which I assume he was already going to do once the pandemic was over.

Some of them would agree to come, but probably not WALTER as he’s long said he has no interest in moving to the US. If that leads to WALTER in New Japan that would rule.
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People say that WALTER was against moving to the US, and I'm sure he said that, but that was quite a while ago. He's been treated well by the company for a fair bit now, and they can offer A LOT of money to change someone's mind.
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Real to what extent? Nothing was booming. PROGRESS having a few hundred people interested? What does that mean?
Revenues, attendance, and business in general was going up during that period which led to the feeling the scene was experiencing a boon not seen in a very long time.

Not Attitude Era or Hulkamnaia like levels but something that could have been built upon or be a stable foundation for future greater success had WWE and ITV not stepped in when they did.
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Revenues, attendance, and business in general was going up during that period which led to the feeling the scene was experiencing a boon not seen in a very long time.

Not Attitude Era or Hulkamnaia like levels but something that could have been built upon or be a stable foundation for future greater success had WWE and ITV not stepped in when they did.
Yeah, I'm not saying that it was progressively worse, year after year. I'm just saying that the idea that it was "booming" is probably wrestling bubble exaggeration. I've had people ask me about how great it must be that the same thing is happening in Australia, and my response is "What the actual fuck are you talking about?" NO ONE gives a shit about wrestling over here. Yet we were apparently experiencing a similar thing.

I'm not even using Attitude era or Hulkamania as extreme examples. ICW doing a show of 1,000 people or whatever is just not worth getting excited about. Not really.
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Compared to where the scene was before the renaissance happened, it was booming by comparison. In a span of about 2 years (2013-2015), ICW went from holding one of the big events with around 1200 in attendance to getting 4000 based on a quick search.

Even if its not big or really noticeable growth, Australia grew enough in recent times to catch both WWE and NJPW's eyes.
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A boom in comparison is such a relative term, haha.
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Do you want to offer another term other than “boom” so that we can move past the semantic argument?
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Posted in the COVID thread by mistake but, man, Velveteen Dream........super young, star potential written all over him, charismatic as hell, all the talent in the world. And he's pissed it away.
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I don’t really want to read through 13 pages. Can someone break down who’s been outed as a nonce and who’s been outed as dickheads?

I know Sammy Guevara is suspended but that’s all I’m aware of.
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All we know for sure is that Mick Foley has been outed as a socks offender.
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I don’t really want to read through 13 pages. Can someone break down who’s been outed as a nonce and who’s been outed as dickheads?

I know Sammy Guevara is suspended but that’s all I’m aware of.
I think it's like 40+ wrestlers now, seemingly half the NXT UK locker room so WWE might just shut down NXT UK altogether. Also lots of rasslers in Chikara and it's done now.

The worst offender (so far) seems to be Joey Ryan. Velveteen Dream might be next most notable after Joey Ryan.
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I didn’t have to watch Mike Quackenbush’s apology video to know he’s full of shit. All of these overly rehearsed apology videos or paragraphs-long written apologies, nobody has come out looking better in any of them.

You can’t talk your way out of this situation. Just go away.
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I don’t really want to read through 13 pages. Can someone break down who’s been outed as a nonce and who’s been outed as dickheads?

I know Sammy Guevara is suspended but that’s all I’m aware of.
Jack Gallagher and Ligero have been released from the WWE, with Velveteen Dream rumored to be next. Joey Ryan, one of the Crists and Michael Elgin from TNA. Dave Lagana from the NWA. One dude got fired from MLW. Mike Quackenbush is putted and Chikara is gone. Sammy Guevara from AEW. None of that necessarily means those people are guilty (except for Guevara who was recorded saying things on tape, although it was a “joke”), but those are the ones that have seen consequences.
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Old 06-27-2020, 04:21 PM   #509
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Guevara was suspended without pay, not sacked. Jimmy Havoc also suspended and sent to rehab I believe.
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I didn't mean sacked, I just meant he got stung with consequences because their respective companies believe there's truth to the buzz. I should have been more clear. Forget about Havoc.

Oh, and Travis Banks from NXT UK and maybe someone else I'm forgetting from there too (maybe it was just him and Ligero though).
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I still stand by my original assessment that Matt Riddle's accusations are bogus. Being an adulterer and a prick to your mistresses is not the same thing as what others were accused of.

Also, Terri Runnells, that was clearly her ex husband's doing, like all the other various ways he harassed her. And that was pre UFC Brock Lesnar, and pre 50 year old Dustin when he was still hopped up on pain pills. If anyone thinks he would have just sat there and done nothing if it wasn't his idea, I have some bridges to sell you.
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I didn't mean sacked, I just meant he got stung with consequences because their respective companies believe there's truth to the buzz. I should have been more clear. Forget about Havoc.

Oh, and Travis Banks from NXT UK and maybe someone else I'm forgetting from there too (maybe it was just him and Ligero though).
Yeah that’s fine. It was just everybody else you listed was released or “chose to step away” so I thought it needed some clarity.
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Apparently WWE had been in talks with an unmanned top indie talent for a potential deal prior to the recent tidal wave of accusations hitting the wrestling industry.

This unnamed person ended up being among those publicly accused leading to WWE pulling their offer shortly afterwards.



Only reason the name of this person was not revealed was due to Alba getting that information "off the record" from his sources.
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Yeah that’s fine. It was just everybody else you listed was released or “chose to step away” so I thought it needed some clarity.
Yeah, fair play to that.
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Apparently WWE had been in talks with an unmanned top indie talent for a potential deal prior to the recent tidal wave of accusations hitting the wrestling industry.

This unnamed person ended up being among those publicly accused leading to WWE pulling their offer shortly afterwards.



Only reason the name of this person was not revealed was due to Alba getting that information "off the record" from his sources.
Most likely Josh Briggs. His age isn't in the public record but he's only been in the business since 2016 and has done work with EVOLVE which is a main WWE pipeline.

Only other notable indy name to surface was David Starr who started the whole thing. He's only 29 but he's said to have been on WWE's no-fly list for a while due to his outspoken criticism of the continued tapings and his frequent calls to unionize.
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Wonder if Sheamus has ever done a shameful thing. Maybe HE’S actually the lobster head.
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Ah Jeez, my local federation just issued a social media statement regarding various accusations.
Is nobody safe in the squared circle or are they all at it?
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Wonder if Sheamus has ever done a shameful thing. Maybe HE’S actually the lobster head.
could be something which may have involved an overabundance of limes
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NXT UK brand got hit with more releases and one suspension by WWE regarding the recent allegations going around in the British wrestling scene.

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Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer reports Joe Coffey has been suspended by NXT UK.

Coffey has been accused of sexual harassment, sending unwanted pictures, and stalking.

According to Mike Johnson at PWInsider, NXT UK referee Joel Allen was released over the weekend.

Allen was seen in a video with David Starr making lewd comments towards women. Starr has been accused of multiple acts of sexual abuse and misconduct.

Meltzer also reports that NXT UK referee Chris Roberts was released.
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