03-28-2016, 01:37 AM | #1161 |
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And again, Batman saw Lex BEFORE the funeral. At least that's what they made it seem like via choppy editing. He'd have no other reason to believe they may need to team up had Luthor not informed him of ringing a bell. His team up line makes no sense otherwise.
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03-28-2016, 01:39 AM | #1162 |
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Frank Miller has gone on record saying his Batman doesn't kill. And he hasn't. The "I believe you" line Snyder ripped from DKR didn't end in the mutant he was speaking to dying.
Snyder pretending he actually read that just makes him look really dumb, because if you have read it, you know Snyder is pulling answers out of his ass. |
03-28-2016, 01:43 AM | #1163 |
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The issues you have are silly and nitpicky. If he finds out who he is it ruins the moment Bruce stops from killing him. Don't see why Batman would need to talk to Superman, he's prepared to fight and he going to fight. Your questioning Batmans motive but not the Government's or any of the citizens that are against Superman. As for the "know who beat you" line I was hoping to hear it to but if he was intent on killing him then it would have made no sense.
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03-28-2016, 01:56 AM | #1164 | |
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03-28-2016, 10:49 AM | #1165 | |
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Batman wanting to kill Superman off nothing but fear and 'dreams' is absurd. As a direct comparison Superman and the govt were willing to talk to Zod at least. And BTW: Did Bruce not see the same message Zod sent to everybody on Earth? Did he not see news footage of Superman clearly fighting two psychos in black while saving soldiers? Batman's motivation makes no sense. It's only really glaring because WB sets out to make the realistic comic universe. That is documented, their goal. I could write a better reason Batman and Supes brawl. |
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03-28-2016, 12:17 PM | #1166 |
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His dream had everything to do with Superman going rogue for losing the woman he loved. Nothing to do with Darkseid. Like, 91at all. I'm not being nitpicky. I'm pointing out logical errors that make no sense in the context of the movie and you're dancing around it because you enjoyed the film and seem to want to ignore all the issues that came along with it.
Like, how did anything in the knightmare sequence indicate a team up? The only message that was made was not to let Lois die. That was it. Had Luthor not said anything, Bruce would no reason to feel the need to team up since his dream was about rogue Superman, not Darkseid. The motives in the entire film are nonexistent. Lots of why's in this movies. Superman didn't gun down anyone so how is it these college educated politicians are dumb enough to believe the massacre was his fault? How would anyone believe that a guy who can shoot lasers is His fault for people being shot? More nonsense. Their whole fight makes no sense. Bruce wants Superman dead because he might go rogue even though his dream said keep Lois alive and they'll be fine, and because he blamed Superman for things that aren't his fault and blindly goes to battle with someone he doesn't know. Superman thinks Batman is brutal and above the law, yet killed a terrorist by putting him through concrete walls. Brilliant reasoning on the writing team's behalf. I'm still trying to figure out how Bruce would think teaming up is good based on his bad dreams about Supes rather than Luthor flat out telling him something is coming. |
03-28-2016, 12:42 PM | #1167 |
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Your forgetting all about Flash telling him to find them. Not sure really what more you want Batman to do that wouldn't ruin the story. I'm not ignroing any issues just don't have any issues with Batman and Superman fighting. They both have big egos and both think they are doing the right thing. Superman threatens Batman. It's not hard to see why Batman would want to kill Superman. Yeah I enjoyed the film and thought it felt like a comic book on the big screen. Really looking good forward to the home release. I understand your issues but I don't see them as glaring issues that hurt the film. No its not a cinematic masterpiece but it was a damn good comic book adaptation.
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03-28-2016, 01:10 PM | #1168 |
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It would have been better if Batman was told by a wizard that Superman was going to destroy the world if he didn't fight him.
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03-28-2016, 01:33 PM | #1169 |
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We're talking about the movie on two different levels so we'll leave it at that.
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03-28-2016, 01:49 PM | #1170 |
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So that was definitely Flash in that "dream sequence?"
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03-28-2016, 02:02 PM | #1171 |
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Apparently, yes.
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03-28-2016, 02:22 PM | #1172 |
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03-28-2016, 02:24 PM | #1173 |
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Character (Steppenwolf?) from deleted scene w/ Lex
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03-28-2016, 06:00 PM | #1174 | |
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03-28-2016, 06:04 PM | #1175 |
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Also if any of the other deleted scenes are like that one I'm beginning to think that this movie would have been much more coherent if they hadn't cut them out... Meh, maybe the R-rated extended cut will fix some of the issues.
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03-28-2016, 06:06 PM | #1176 |
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I'm going to make a big statement here...
If making Batman vs Superman(or any other DC movie) a great movie would mean I would have to wait another 2 years or more for each movie then I'm fine with them being just ok. I'm not getting any younger so I will embrace mediocrity if it means more Justice League movies. In other quantity>quality . I think very few people would agree with me on that statement. That's ok though. |
03-28-2016, 06:07 PM | #1177 |
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Also I got the Darkseid vibe from what Luthor was saying in the jail cell. Did I miss any other Darkseid forshadowing?
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03-28-2016, 07:23 PM | #1178 |
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Snyder confirms that the tech used on Cyborg was indeed a Mother Box, which is kinda sorta cool but raises a ton more questions.
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03-28-2016, 07:25 PM | #1179 |
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03-28-2016, 07:26 PM | #1180 |
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Think I read somewhere that is his origin in the comics now... not sure where/how they got a Mother Box from in the comics, though, haven't read it....
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03-28-2016, 07:31 PM | #1181 | |
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I thought that whole dream sequence was an alternative reality that would have happened if Batman didn't help Superman save his Mom... Or Lois Now I understand things more. |
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03-28-2016, 07:32 PM | #1182 |
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03-28-2016, 07:37 PM | #1183 |
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As a totally unrelated aside: Totally hate how Cyborg has supplanted Martian Manhunter's "spot" on the Justice League in all comics, animation, and movies.....
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03-28-2016, 07:38 PM | #1184 |
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I know it's based of if of The Dark Knight Returns, and I know it was called Batman vs Superman. So Batman is clearly going to be the main star throughout this whole DC thing.
With that said I'm still surprised Batman won that fight. I thought it was going to end in a draw. I was thinking they were going to build Superman up. I was wrong on that. That was a pretty clear cut win. |
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03-28-2016, 07:40 PM | #1186 |
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Snyder doesn't understand selling a character.
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03-28-2016, 07:46 PM | #1188 |
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Also can we all agree that even though Batman won that fight he was pretty beaten up in it
Then 5 minutes later he kicked the hell of everyone in the warehouse, and for the most part was fine. I did like the warehouse fight. and I thought it was a good Batman scene. I just thought that no-selling of that Superman fight was funny. |
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I'm going to believe every rumor I hear from this point about any DC movie, because every rumor was true about this movie. So that Jason Todd theory/rumor that's out there? I now believe it. |
03-28-2016, 08:48 PM | #1191 |
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Cyborg was much better in the old continuity. He belongs with the Titans, not the Justice League. And, yes, I'm aware that he was on the Justice League even in the old continuity, but he always stayed a Titan, and now he's just been wiped from the Titans' history for no good reason just so the Justice League can have a token black guy.
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03-28-2016, 09:21 PM | #1192 |
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Really think they could've spit this film into to effective parts. Part one being Bruce investigating Luthor, Supes and other metahumans, discussing Diana the same way he did in BvS but also matching wits with Luthor.
MoS2 could've dug into the "Do we need a Superman" question the whole film, with Luthor pulling strings to turn the public despite Supes' heroics. Lois' subplot of looking into the Lex Corp manufactured bullets, and Lex tapping into Zod's ship could've been better developed as well. Third film is basically an expanded version of the third act we got, but with more time for Bruce and Clark to build their relationship, so they when Clark goes, it carries more weight. |
03-28-2016, 09:27 PM | #1193 |
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Superman pretty much let Batman win the fight, though..... literally just stood around and waited to get hit by that second K-gas bomb....
Supes could literally have just stripped Batman entirely naked in a split second. Maybe that it what happens in the Rated R version. |
03-28-2016, 11:05 PM | #1194 |
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03-28-2016, 11:26 PM | #1195 |
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I honestly feel like this movie was trying to set up a movie version of Injustice.
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03-29-2016, 12:27 AM | #1196 |
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Honestly an Injustice live action movie would probably be better than this, and it'd be something people had never seen before. Evil Superman could be a really cool thing to see on-screen. Of course Zack Snyder would probably have fucked that up too though...
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03-29-2016, 12:36 AM | #1197 |
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His evil Superman would be a jovial friendly dude
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03-29-2016, 07:03 AM | #1198 |
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Gonna see this tomorrow. I hope I enjoy it. It's so weird for me, as a Marvel guy I'm kinda glad this film has been getting criticism, however, with that said I do still like DC and I enjoyed Man of Steel. Kinda weird that I'd be willing to pay money to watch a film, hoping that it's rubbish. Except I don't want it to be rubbish.
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03-30-2016, 09:05 AM | #1199 |
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I wonder if they did that whether it would be through this timeline or play with the multiverse like they did with injustice
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03-30-2016, 12:52 PM | #1200 |
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Saw it this morning. Went in with pretty much no interest and zero expectations, and gotta say I thought this movie was brilliant!
The gun thing didn't bother me, knowing in advance all the hints of "abandoned areas" made them funnier, and Doomsday was kinda cool but I feel could have been more, but all-in-all it was nice to finally see Superman up against a non-humanoid opponent. I thought the actual fight between the two heroes was a bit bland as well. But whatever. Cavill is so right for Superman. I liked Man of Steel, and he's got such a good look/nobility about him that suits the character. And Affleck did a great job as Batman. I enjoyed the more social/political themed stuff in the film though, the idea of if Superman is doing the right thing etc. It's kinda similar to Marvel's Civil War. Didn't really care much for Wonder Woman though, nor the other cameos. The whole laying of the foundations for the Justice League kinda made this film seem like the LOLTNA to Marvel's WWE. But overall I'm easily entertained with my films and I'd give this a solid 3.5/5. It'll be interesting to see if DC can follow up with the other characters well enough. Pretty much all of DC's roster lives in the shadow of Batman and Superman, so it'll be good for DC to focus on their individual movies without trying to implement to much Batman or Superman into them. |