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Ophilia, The Cleric 1 16.67%
Cyrus, The Scholar 0 0%
Therion, The Thief 0 0%
Olberic, The Warrior 1 16.67%
Primrose, The Dancer 0 0%
Alfyn, The Apothecary 0 0%
Tressa, The Merchant 1 16.67%
H'aanit, The Hunter 2 33.33%
I am going to play all the Persona games first then come back to this later 1 16.67%
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:14 PM   #481
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bp eater, surpassing power, saving grace and patience, base power is 562 wtf is going on here.
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:18 PM   #482
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:18 PM   #483
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:19 PM   #484
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Thats an extra 20 or 30% as a passive multiplier
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:21 PM   #485
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Oh yeah, that would do it. I haven't gone and got the ultra equipment yet lol. When I was asking about whether the damage you were doing was during breaks I meant as far as the 25k-30k per strike you were doing against the dire wolf btw, not the standard packs.
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:21 PM   #487
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:23 PM   #488
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Oh yeah, that would do it. I haven't gone and got the ultra equipment yet lol. When I was asking about whether the damage you were doing was during breaks I meant as far as the 25k-30k per strike you were doing against the dire wolf btw, not the standard packs.
I think i killed him before i broke him. I think. The battle was very short.
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:24 PM   #489
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but yea that extra 20-30% would be the difference I'm guessing because when I had the dire wolf broken I was hitting it for 16-20k per hit on the warmaster divine, which would translate closer to the 25k-30k you were doing. Just a touch lower because my weapons aren't entirely optimal obviously.
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Well then there has to be something else. When he wasn't broken most of my hits were maybe 6-8k with the ones he was weak to being maybe 12k? something like that.
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:26 PM   #491
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Is there a passive I'm missing maybe?
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:27 PM   #492
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I was told he was super hard though so i was feeding haanit bp items on any free turn and what not. Think i got the extra turn both rounds giving her 4 goes at him.

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Old 08-15-2018, 08:28 PM   #493
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:30 PM   #494
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I think 2 of the devine skills would break him so possible those were broken numbers. Maybe have had the weakpoint passive on this one too for an extra 20%per weak point attack.

I remember gearing up for a real struggle and then just obliterating him. It was so quick i cant honestly say i remember the full set up. Unlike that eater of men that i did looowwwww level that will stick with me for life.
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:31 PM   #495
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Physical Prowess seems like it would make a big difference for me too now that I look at it. 50% damage boost to physical attacks.
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:35 PM   #497
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Should let you do 100k per divine skill. Should be enough
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Just went for the final boss with that team I posted a few pages ago.

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I didnt want to spoil but i wanted to tell you i thought your team was perfect
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I should have just redone it 2 days ago instead of grinding. I was right that the one adjustment was all i needed
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red eye was craawford????? HOLY SHIT. The way they tied everything together blew my fucking mind. Wowowowowowowow
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1st phase took an hour and a half. My strat was to rest everything on cyrus and light damage and use clerics double cast...i forgot to give prim the fucking skill. So i had padded team two with my dps since everything in team 1 was defensive based save cyrus. With cryus only doing3x instead of 6x it really slowed me down.

2nd phase took about 10 min or less. Warmaster with sidestep and reflect and all the BP she could stand. It was chump fight at that point. I knew if i could get my A team to round 2 there wouldnt be a struggle.
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Chewing over what a great experience this was. Ive had this feeling after beating games over the years but its so very rare. That sense of completion and total satisfaction.

Truly was one the best games i have ever played. Wild to think i felt this way twice on the past year with p4 and p5. Been a good time for rpg nerds.
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red eye was craawford????? HOLY SHIT. The way they tied everything together blew my fucking mind. Wowowowowowowow
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I figured Red Eye had something to do with The Gate and LOVED it when it showed up and H'aanit freaked out. I didn't work out it was Crossford until the diary though, that detail made it even better. When I fought it, I got the vibe that it looked like a shadow human version of Ghisarma. Maybe he just took the form of whatever beast he fought last since he had been partially absorbed into Galdera and was tripping balls.

Was Darius acting independently of Obsidian? The seal was broken a long time before Heathcoat managed to retrieve the first stone. Therion bringing them all back (and I guess ultimately becoming their new guardian) was necessary to prevent the Gate being unsealed again in the future, but didn't Obsidian know it was already open?

Mathias didn't seem to be clued in about Kit still being an option since he was dead set on snuffing out the sacred flame, but Esmerelda was looking for info in Crossford's diary that seemingly led them to Kit. Can't remember if it said who was funding Mathias, but I think he only ever had contact with Lyblac and she was playing the long game with him, maybe Crossford was an attempted shortcut to her end goal. Using Lianna as a vessel for Galdera outside of the gate, with no Sacred Flame in place, could potentially pose a much bigger threat to the world than sacrificing Kit?
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1st phase took an hour and a half. My strat was to rest everything on cyrus and light damage and use clerics double cast...i forgot to give prim the fucking skill. So i had padded team two with my dps since everything in team 1 was defensive based save cyrus. With cryus only doing3x instead of 6x it really slowed me down.

2nd phase took about 10 min or less. Warmaster with sidestep and reflect and all the BP she could stand. It was chump fight at that point. I knew if i could get my A team to round 2 there wouldnt be a struggle.
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1st phase for me was my A team haha, Warmaster made it trivial really.

2nd phase was my Prim led squad and this was a much more level playing field, I almost got wiped by his multi hits twice but I fortunately had Alfyn and Olberic left standing respectively to do full team revives. Legitimately thought I was wiped both times. Leghold Trap seriously saved my life here. Had to get rid of Lyblac first to stop the heals, then focused on the Maw. Here I got the first of my near death experiences but I got everyone back online to 3000hp and that idiot Dark God just looked at me ominously instead of finishing me off. Once the maw fell I had to deal with a hyper powered sword arm which scared the shit out of me whenever it got it's one chance to double turn recover. Once Galdera was alone it was smooth sailing, finished him off the only way I know how - AMPUTATION!

This was Bizarro Sephiroth but actually well done instead of being totally confusing. A very worthy final boss that was so satisfying to fight.
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I figured Red Eye had something to do with The Gate and LOVED it when it showed up and H'aanit freaked out. I didn't work out it was Crossford until the diary though, that detail made it even better. When I fought it, I got the vibe that it looked like a shadow human version of Ghisarma. Maybe he just took the form of whatever beast he fought last since he had been partially absorbed into Galdera and was tripping balls.

Was Darius acting independently of Obsidian? The seal was broken a long time before Heathcoat managed to retrieve the first stone. Therion bringing them all back (and I guess ultimately becoming their new guardian) was necessary to prevent the Gate being unsealed again in the future, but didn't Obsidian know it was already open?

Mathias didn't seem to be clued in about Kit still being an option since he was dead set on snuffing out the sacred flame, but Esmerelda was looking for info in Crossford's diary that seemingly led them to Kit. Can't remember if it said who was funding Mathias, but I think he only ever had contact with Lyblac and she was playing the long game with him, maybe Crossford was an attempted shortcut to her end goal. Using Lianna as a vessel for Galdera outside of the gate, with no Sacred Flame in place, could potentially pose a much bigger threat to the world than sacrificing Kit?
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Im left to assume that while the stones were out of their hands it was enough to open the gate but I think the issue here is that they dont have a very good internal communication network in their organization. Mathias is a great example where you see that Lyblac has gone around manipulating all these people but once they serve her purpose she moves on. Had she tried to coordinate these efforts and not compartmentalized them she might have succeeded.

There's a lot of examples of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. And this is mirrored by the audiences lack of knowledge as well. We were all in the dark.

I think Mithias's plan would be less of a threat because you would have a man infused with Galdara opposed to Galdara reborn.

Would like to put over just how unique this method of story telling was. I have never played a game that felt like a mystery so much as this. 80 hours and I didnt realize there was mystery at all and then suddenly there is this "ah ha" moment that I have never got from any game off the top of my head. At first i considered it a criticism that the story was section off the way it was but in hindsight that allowed for something truly unique.
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1st phase for me was my A team haha, Warmaster made it trivial really.

2nd phase was my Prim led squad and this was a much more level playing field, I almost got wiped by his multi hits twice but I fortunately had Alfyn and Olberic left standing respectively to do full team revives. Legitimately thought I was wiped both times. Leghold Trap seriously saved my life here. Had to get rid of Lyblac first to stop the heals, then focused on the Maw. Here I got the first of my near death experiences but I got everyone back online to 3000hp and that idiot Dark God just looked at me ominously instead of finishing me off. Once the maw fell I had to deal with a hyper powered sword arm which scared the shit out of me whenever it got it's one chance to double turn recover. Once Galdera was alone it was smooth sailing, finished him off the only way I know how - AMPUTATION!

This was Bizarro Sephiroth but actually well done instead of being totally confusing. A very worthy final boss that was so satisfying to fight.
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side step shuts that entire second phase down. like legit. it cant hit you.

Not surprised you amputated your way to victory
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Im left to assume that while the stones were out of their hands it was enough to open the gate but I think the issue here is that they dont have a very good internal communication network in their organization. Mathias is a great example where you see that Lyblac has gone around manipulating all these people but once they serve her purpose she moves on. Had she tried to coordinate these efforts and not compartmentalized them she might have succeeded.

There's a lot of examples of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. And this is mirrored by the audiences lack of knowledge as well. We were all in the dark.

I think Mithias's plan would be less of a threat because you would have a man infused with Galdara opposed to Galdara reborn.

Would like to put over just how unique this method of story telling was. I have never played a game that felt like a mystery so much as this. 80 hours and I didnt realize there was mystery at all and then suddenly there is this "ah ha" moment that I have never got from any game off the top of my head. At first i considered it a criticism that the story was section off the way it was but in hindsight that allowed for something truly unique.
In the first paragraph i meant Werner not Mathias
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Im left to assume that while the stones were out of their hands it was enough to open the gate but I think the issue here is that they dont have a very good internal communication network in their organization. Mathias is a great example where you see that Lyblac has gone around manipulating all these people but once they serve her purpose she moves on. Had she tried to coordinate these efforts and not compartmentalized them she might have succeeded.

There's a lot of examples of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. And this is mirrored by the audiences lack of knowledge as well. We were all in the dark.

I think Mithias's plan would be less of a threat because you would have a man infused with Galdara opposed to Galdara reborn.

Would like to put over just how unique this method of story telling was. I have never played a game that felt like a mystery so much as this. 80 hours and I didnt realize there was mystery at all and then suddenly there is this "ah ha" moment that I have never got from any game off the top of my head. At first i considered it a criticism that the story was section off the way it was but in hindsight that allowed for something truly unique.
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The episodic nature of the story worked really well for me, it felt a bit like LOST in presentation but I think the devs were actually heavily influenced by Game of Thrones with their world building and putting pieces in place. It's a really refreshing way to approach an RPG rather than the standard meet character > resolve characters problem > character has nothing going on now so joins the team.

There's a lot of little details you either don't notice or could easily overlook, lots of shadowy figures in cloaks share the same sprite and without knowing the whole picture you could easily shrug it off as limitations of the graphical style, when actually every single character who uses that sprite is an Obsidian.
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I legit thought the black cloaks were just a style choice the designers thought were rad so they reused them. When I realized it was deliberate and had a deeper meaning it was a revelation.
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I thought they were all connected to Prim's villains, then Cyrus Ch3 reveal happened (my last Ch3 for the record) and I thought oh maybe not, then when I did Cyrus Ch4 (with only Ophilia Ch4 in between) I realised I was right the first time haha
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I legit didnt TRULY figure it out until I read my 4th book. at the end game. I did bottom row no.3 then no.4 then no.1 then no.2

While reading 2 i was like...wait a damn second.

And reread the other 3 and was like OH SNAP.
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