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View Poll Results: Who is better?
Mick Foley 1 5.26%
Mankind 12 63.16%
Dude Love 2 10.53%
Cactus Jack 4 21.05%
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:34 AM   #1
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:36 AM   #2
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I went with Cactus but only because my favourite Foley feud was Cactus vs. HHH. The fair answer is probably Mankind.
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:12 PM   #3
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I was torn between Cactus and Mankind. I think Cactus has probably got a more...dynamic body of work? I don't really know how to say it, but I feel like a true Mick Foley fan would love his Cactus stuff more. I went with Mankind because I feel that it is possibly the most significant stuff he did. The promos he did in the WWF helped change things, and I think his influence is underrated, whereas others are overrated.

Steve Austin is the reason the WWF turned around, and Vince and Tyson were important to that. I think guys like The Undertaker and HHH get way too much credit for just being around (Taker was at least a foil for Austin at some points). Mankind shook things up big time. He was arguably Taker's best opponent outside Shawn Michaels, and moments like him winning the WWF Title are just out of this world crazy and endearing.

His Mind Games match with Shawn Michaels is underrated as hell, and it's one of my first ports of call when I'm trying to explain to people how wrestling used to be a lot more "organic." Foley has participated in the dwindling of his own legacy, but the WWE didn't remember Mankind as fondly as I think they should, given that they like that revisionist history where they big-up everything they do.
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Old 04-16-2018, 09:41 PM   #4
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I think I probably would have voted cactus if I saw his body of work pre 1998.... Possibly... I loved Mankind.
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:01 PM   #5
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I liked Cactus Jack’s murder-death matches fine but the Mankind stuff with Taker and the Rock plus his Mind Games match with HBK is what gives me all sorts of feel good.
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Old 04-17-2018, 04:03 AM   #6
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I wouldn't say the Mind Games match is underrated. I think it has quite the reputation.
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Old 04-17-2018, 08:56 AM   #7
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I don't think it has no reputation -- I just don't think it has the reputation it deserves.
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Old 04-17-2018, 08:58 AM   #8
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Tough choice between mankind and Cactus.

JR interview seals the deal for Mankind, though. Unforgettable.
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Old 04-17-2018, 09:58 AM   #9
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I first truly became familiar with Foley's stuff as mankind, and really enjoyed it. I had HEARD of Cactus, but never really saw any of his stuff until much later (via YouTube) I always felt like the Mankind character was relatable to a degree and is one of my favourite all time wrestling characters. He has a great body of work as Mankind, and as Cactus as well, but it was more of a circus attraction type thing with all the Hardcore and Death Matches. So I went Mankind.
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Old 04-17-2018, 10:40 AM   #10
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The pace of that Mind Games match is just ridiculous. Foley displays the cardio of a guy half his size.
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Foley busted his ass to get over in the WWF. I've never been his biggest fan (always liked him), but when you go back, he was actually having great matches with basically everybody at the top, and outside of Austin, Vince and Rock was probably their most important guy. I'm trying to think of the term for it. Obviously not their MVP, because that was clearly Austin. He was like their glue behind it all.
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Old 04-17-2018, 03:29 PM   #12
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Id take his FMW and WCW runs as Cactus over anything else. His greatest achievements were as Mic Foley though tbf.
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Old 04-17-2018, 03:29 PM   #13
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Which s to say I think most people know Mic Foley as opposed to the others.
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Due to his books? Or the WWE breaking down the wall between the characters?
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At the peak of his mask run JR was openly calling him mic Foley on commentary. Mankind as a gimmick died in the HiaC match.
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Old 04-17-2018, 08:34 PM   #16
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That's very true.
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Intellectually i know its mick but cant seem to type mick for the life of me
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Old 04-18-2018, 07:00 AM   #18
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Dude Love had a tie-dye shirt and was a happy character. That's cool daddy-0. All the other ones were angry or wore flannel. Not cool.
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Old 04-18-2018, 02:03 PM   #19
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Mankind is the better wrestler. Mick Foley definitely had the most influence in the industry.
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Mankind was his best work I think. Cactus probably had the best matches, but the Mankind character was great and had a really cool evolution. The twisted heel was must watch and really grabbed my attention. The face was ultra popular and sympathetic and then slowly morphed in Mick in goofy clothes.

He was just such a good character actor that I think any gimmick would have worked for him in WWE. Mankind was a weird idea but he made it work because he threw himself into it and fleshed it out. Think that was the gimmick that showed how talented he was at that side of the business
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I don't consider Mick a wrestler. I don't know. It's like "who is the bigger star -- The Rock or Dwayne Johnson?" and we all know the answer, but he is The Rock. Well, it's not really like that at all.

The more I think about it, the more great stuff I remember from Cactus too. The promos. Fuck. But that moment where Mankind (/Mick Foley) won the WWF Title is probably my favorite from Raw, and I didn't even see it at the time.

This is really making me appreciate the entire career of Mick Foley. If it could have just stopped in 2004 that would have been great though.
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Ive said this a lot of times but i see danielson and the modern mick foley. This guy who connects on a really human level and gets over through that more than anything else. That was his real strength. Being able to feel like the everyman. Like any of us could be him.
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Agree 100%. It's really surreal to see how accepted Bryan became after seeing him come up through the indies and all the "too small," "too wrestler" labels thrown at him. I mean, that basically became the theme behind the push, but it's really weird just how over the internet's favorite wrestler got with live audiences.

You also have a lot of wrestlers who try to work the same style, or channel that intensity, or be "normal guys" that just don't connect. There's something special about that quality that Bryan and Foley both possess.
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Dusty had it too. His was much louder but he always felt human. It was so easy to relate to him. Its a rare quality.
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Cactus Jack and Eddie Gilbert had the first big "Indie feud". His FMW and ECW stuff is his best stuff by far.

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the wcw run is really underrated. He had some of yhe best stuff going during a slump period for them.
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Oh God, his stuff with Vader, Abby, Maxx Payne etc was awesome
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Those JR interviews with Mankind were really something special. I know there were points after that where he lost steam. But still, I remember being blown away by them when I was younger.
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The other watchable Nasty Boyz match was against the Steiners.
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I don't consider Mick a wrestler. I don't know. It's like "who is the bigger star -- The Rock or Dwayne Johnson?" and we all know the answer, but he is The Rock. Well, it's not really like that at all.
It would be the time he wrestled under the name Mick Foley from WM2000-His retirement.
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Dusty had it too. His was much louder but he always felt human. It was so easy to relate to him. Its a rare quality.
Dusty is a good shout-out, but he had this larger than life thing about him too. He was an idiosyncratic once-in-a-lifetime kind of guy.
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It would be the time he wrestled under the name Mick Foley from WM2000-His retirement.
Technically, but he always felt like he was doing Cactus Jack with the Mandible Claw incorporated in. Like, we're talking about the same guy, so breaking his career into separate personalities is an exercise in semantics anyway. It's good to meditate on the greatness that was Mick Foley.
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Those JR interviews with Mankind were really something special. I know there were points after that where he lost steam. But still, I remember being blown away by them when I was younger.
I watched them retroactively, but going back and talking to people who did watch at the time, I really get the sense that Mankind "changed" a lot about the WWF. He helped make it darker and more organic. He was the best opponent for The Undertaker in years. I think his influence is underplayed by the company.
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Dusty is a good shout-out, but he had this larger than life thing about him too. He was an idiosyncratic once-in-a-lifetime kind of guy.
I dont think those are mutually exclusive though. The way these guys connect to people comes off as genuine (whether it is or isn't makes no matter) and thats what stands out the most over time. Their acts feel naked.
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That is very true.
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It's interesting to consider how much Foley has fallen since his prime as a performer. I personally don't think it's damaged his legacy, but you really realize how HARD it is to be good at every element of the game when you see Foley half-assedly work his way through a scripted promo on RAW, compared to pretty much everything he did in his initial run.
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(Obviously he wouldn't be able to be a good worker anymore, but as far as just an on screen character, he honestly stinks now)
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True story: I got offered the chance to hang out with Mick Foley because I know the organizer of an event he is attending over here. They were like "do you want to come and hang out and help us set up?" and I was like "nah." I've never really been into meeting famous people, but that's how little I give a fuck about current Mick Foley.

He's super important historically, and I can separate what he's done from who he is now, but yeah, it's sad how he's tried to dimish his own legacy, I guess.
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