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Old 04-08-2020, 07:52 PM   #121
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wonder why jbl was not interviewed for it that would have been good.
I'm sure WWE doesn't let anybody currently employed do these.

Also, JBL has commented on it before. He said his idea was for what would become the hardcore division, but Russo took that and came up with Brawl for All. That it did nobody any good and was dumb.

JBL also admitted nobody knew how good of punches Bart Gunn had, and had no embarrassment that he got his ass kicked.
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Old 04-08-2020, 07:57 PM   #122
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Also, how the fuck is Vince Russo STILL getting work for doing a good job at something 22 years ago. It's insanity.
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Old 04-08-2020, 08:46 PM   #123
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Some would argue he didn’t do all that good of a job in the first place as his approach was undeniably unsustainable.
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Old 04-09-2020, 12:33 AM   #124
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What I don't get is the "nice guy" stuff about Russo. Dude is clearly a piece of shit, lol.
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Old 04-09-2020, 12:50 AM   #125
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Just finished the Brawl For All episode.Thankfully a little lighter than New Jack and Benoit episodes - but still good.

Russo is as Russo as ever.

I wonder if this was a few years later if Brock would have easily won. Do you guys think Brock would have demolished Butterbean if they squared up, I have to think he would have.
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Old 04-09-2020, 01:13 AM   #126
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Just finished the Brawl For All episode.Thankfully a little lighter than New Jack and Benoit episodes - but still good.

Russo is as Russo as ever.

I wonder if this was a few years later if Brock would have easily won. Do you guys think Brock would have demolished Butterbean if they squared up, I have to think he would have.
Yes on Brock winning the tournament but doubt it for the Butterbean fight since that was a regular boxing match. Lesnar likely loses most of the advantages he has as a fighter under that scenario but he'd last longer than Gunn did for sure.
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Butterbean would have killed Brock under those rules.
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Old 04-09-2020, 11:23 AM   #128
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Old 04-09-2020, 11:37 AM   #129
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Butterbean would have killed Brock under those rules.
You may as well tie Brock's hands behind his back at that point.
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Old 04-09-2020, 12:17 PM   #130
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Was the WM15 match under Boxing rules or Brawl for all rules?
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Old 04-09-2020, 12:36 PM   #131
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I thought it was a “Brawl For All” match but Gunn tried to box (rather than use a takedown) which didn’t go very well for him.
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Boxing, that's why Bart boxed him.
That wasn't really made clear in the episode, they made it seem like Bart went out and boxed him because he was told to rather than because those were the rules.

Bart Gunn having a win over Cabbage Correira was an interesting point. I mean if it was an MMA match Bart Gunn probably would kill Butterbean. Butterbean's MMA record, much like his boxing one is highly questionable even in a kind light.

Freak show events.
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Old 04-09-2020, 12:38 PM   #133
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Hold on, it does say on the WM15 wiki that it was a Brawl For All match...

That doesn't make sense though because the BFA was over by then and the match was presented as a boxing match with a boxer as the ref and everything.

This event doesn't stand up to scrutiny!
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In this moment, I am convinced that Bart Gunn would have destroyed Butterbean in an mma/brawl for all style match.

Oh God, I didn't think the BFA could be any more of a travesty but knowing that Bart Gunn could actually have beaten the Bean is too much for me to cope with.
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I'm sure WWE doesn't let anybody currently employed do these.

Also, JBL has commented on it before. He said his idea was for what would become the hardcore division, but Russo took that and came up with Brawl for All. That it did nobody any good and was dumb.

JBL also admitted nobody knew how good of punches Bart Gunn had, and had no embarrassment that he got his ass kicked.
yeah vince don't want to give his side of the story on most of these stories.
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Hold on, it does say on the WM15 wiki that it was a Brawl For All match...

That doesn't make sense though because the BFA was over by then and the match was presented as a boxing match with a boxer as the ref and everything.

This event doesn't stand up to scrutiny!
Itís referred to as a Brawl For All Match on the PPV. They go over the rules, referring to the take down. The competition was over but this was a Special Attraction for Mania. They both enter to the same music, which Iím guessing is the BFA music.
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In this moment, I am convinced that Bart Gunn would have destroyed Butterbean in an mma/brawl for all style match.

Oh God, I didn't think the BFA could be any more of a travesty but knowing that Bart Gunn could actually have beaten the Bean is too much for me to cope with.
TBF, itís hard to say that Gunn went in there to box, he wasnít in there long enough for us to know for certain.
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Just finished watching the Brawl for All episode and came away with thinking the whole thing was even dumber than I previously felt.

Not even the brackets had any real thought put into it to ensure the whole thing wouldn't quickly fall apart the moment something went wrong.
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TBF, it’s hard to say that Gunn went in there to box, he wasn’t in there long enough for us to know for certain.
To be fair, I don't remember Bart Gunn going for takedowns in any of the BFA matches. I am guessing he went into the right with what brought him. Problem was he ran into a bull of a pro puncher who outweighed him by over 100 pounds, and knocked him silly.
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Bart Gunn successfully executed takedowns in the BFA.
I'm sure he had a takedown on Dr Death.
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TBF, it’s hard to say that Gunn went in there to box, he wasn’t in there long enough for us to know for certain.

He absolutely went in there to box. Watch the way he's standing and look at his hands.
He ain't shooting for takedowns and he isn't rushing in looking for a wild knockout.
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Old 04-10-2020, 03:01 AM   #144
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Yeah he tried to straight square up with Butterbean. Really shouldn't have done that considering the size difference and the notorious punching power of Bean. He was doomed from the start.
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What actually could have been though if Dr. Death didn't tear his hamstring and won the whole thing?
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also did they actually lose out on supposedly $5 million as Cornette said?
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Old 04-10-2020, 07:07 PM   #147
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Assuming 5 mill is what they were paying for Williams's deal and then he effectively couldn't fulfill it - yes, they lost it.
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There is no way Vince gave him a $5 million deal in 1998. I am sure Cornette was referring to potential revenue, but that's not really the same as losing the money.
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Old 04-10-2020, 09:15 PM   #149
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He's talking about the money they could have drawn with a Dr. Death vs Austin feud
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Old 04-11-2020, 05:15 AM   #150
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Do you think Dr Death/Austin would have drawn?
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Do you think Dr Death/Austin would have drawn?
not a hope in hell. Dr. Death didn't have a WWF vibe IMO. He was too boring and the crowd wouldn't have responded. Even if he won brawl for all, he'd have languished in midcard hell.
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The Miracle Violence Connection would have gotten over in the early 90's.

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Old 04-11-2020, 08:24 AM   #153
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Do you think Dr Death/Austin would have drawn?
Anything with Austin would have at that point, but it would be a 1-2 ppv match feud .

Probably would have hooked up with Vince.
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Just watched them all, the Moolah one is really weird, spent the whole episode saying how bad she was, then in the last 2 minutes you got 6 girls saying nothing happened then a girl who spent the whole time saying how bad she was end the episode saying Moolah was great and if you say Moolah was a pimp it means she was a prostitute.
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Old 04-11-2020, 04:19 PM   #155
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Anything with Austin would have at that point, but it would be a 1-2 ppv match feud .

Probably would have hooked up with Vince.
Man I remember when they teased Austin/Ahmed Johnson and I was hyped as fuck. Austin couldíve made anything work back then.
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Anything with Austin would have at that point, but it would be a 1-2 ppv match feud .

Probably would have hooked up with Vince.
Where do you think the feud would have sat in the chronology/what did they do instead?
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The B4A ended in Aug 1998. The Sept PPV was Austin vs Kane vs Taker for the title and a number 1 contender 3 way cage match between Shamrock vs Rock vs Mankind . You could have put Williams fresh off a B4A win into the 3 way and make it a 4 way(scrap the cage match). Have Williams win the match and face Austin at the Oct PPV Judgement Day ending in some sort of screwy finish causing the title to be held up till the tournament at SS
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Then you could have Vince enter Williams in the field as his hired assassin who's only focus of to make sure Austin doesn't win the title kinda like Andre and Hogan in WM4. Maybe they both get dq'd or Austin gets DQ for using a chair

Williams faces Austin at the Dec PPV Rock Bottom and Austin wins ending the feud.

Then you do the same shit they did at the 99 Rumble or whatever
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Old 04-11-2020, 09:49 PM   #160
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Then you could have Vince enter Williams in the field as his hired assassin who's only focus of to make sure Austin doesn't win the title kinda like Andre and Hogan in WM4. Maybe they both get dq'd or Austin gets DQ for using a chair

Williams faces Austin at the Dec PPV Rock Bottom and Austin wins ending the feud.

Then you do the same shit they did at the 99 Rumble or whatever
That's the only spot that makes sense. Wonder if maybe he would have had the role Bossman got within the corporation.

There is no way they were going to backseat The Rock or the Undertaker for him.
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