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Old 03-18-2021, 05:15 PM   #81
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I'll give it a miss; if I have to watch something for 4 hours, I'd rather watch Lawrence of Arabia (which I have been meaning to watch for several years now).
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Old 03-18-2021, 10:07 PM   #82
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About to bite the bullet and put it on. Just past 8PM here, hope I make it to the end.
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Old 03-18-2021, 10:16 PM   #83
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Right off the start "this film is presented in 4:3 to accurately portray Zack Snyder's creative vision"

Why the f is his creative vision to use SD aspect ratio?
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Old 03-18-2021, 10:18 PM   #84
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I’m 3 hours in. The first 10-15 minutes were an instant improvement. I’ll post more thoughts when I’m done but so to this it’s ridiculously better.
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Old 03-18-2021, 11:00 PM   #85
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Guess Ill give this a go too. Has to be better than the original.
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The beginning is indeed insanely better. Bout 30 mins in so far and I am digging it.
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Old 03-18-2021, 11:44 PM   #87
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Right off the start "this film is presented in 4:3 to accurately portray Zack Snyder's creative vision"

Why the f is his creative vision to use SD aspect ratio?
I watched something about this a couple weeks ago. From my understanding whenever they use the now standard widescreen format there is a loss of some of the actual film at the top and bottom of the screen. In the old 4:3 aspect ratio the loss of footage is to the left and right of the screen. Snyder felt like the stuff cut out on the top and bottom by the 16:9 ratio was more important than what would be lost to the left and right so he chose the 4:3 ratio to preserve what he thought was more important to the scenes.

What I wanna know is why we are still dealing with aspect ratios that end up cutting something out of the film one way or another. How do we not film and have TVs in a ratio where there is no loss of footage or having to warp the image to see everything?
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Just finished. As I previously stated, this version is miles better. The core aspect of what’s going on is the same but the amount of unseen footage is insane. Everything gets a chance to breath and build. The set pieces are far more tense and the characters have more heft in what they do and say. This is easily the best DC film Snyder has made and to me honest, even tho the ending felt a little shoehorned, I want more. Let him finish his vision. HBO Mac is the perfect platform to give him an outlet.

One thing I will say is, despite being heat and shoulders a better movie than the theatrical cut, no fucking way on God’s green earth would and should this version have gotten a theatrical release. That’s really the only detriment. Snyder pulled off a miracle in completing an actual good movie, but no way would he have pulled it off with a 2.5 hour run time. Honestly he might not have pulled it off in 3 unless he cut a ton of scenes.

But I digress. Good for him for getting to finish his movie.
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Old 03-19-2021, 02:31 AM   #89
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Just finished it, had the opposite reaction. Enjoyed the theatrical cut miles more than this one. Well, actually the "ideal cut" would probably be a better cross between the two.

It was a long time ago so I don't remember the first 10-15 minutes, but I remember thinking the start was really slogging along, except for the attack on the Amazons which was great but might be past the first 10-15? I don't know.

In general there were a bunch of good/improved action sequences.... but as I said a lot of it was just such a slog to get through. Like there would be good things here and there and good concepts here and there but everything was just so drawn out and the opposite of a nice concise movie that they kind of lose their luster by the time you get to the good parts.

They added a lot of stuff about Cyborg and Flash got more of a "serious spotlight" too.... but felt like all the "joy" which I guess was added by Whedon was taken out of the movie. Even scenes that I loved before like Superman beating up all of the Justice League were suddenly "ugh" maybe because of the music or editing or I don't know but something was different.

Also I really liked the "theme" of the theatrical cut where it was about being a hero etc... Diana had a whole arc about learning to be a leader etc... villain in the theatrical was flimsy as F, but the story about the heroes coming together was great....

In this version the villain is streets ahead, but everything else is just dreary and drags on, and I am back to not liking Cavill's Superman after finally loving him in the theatrical version. (I will give points for bringing back the Man of Steel music though... The Christopher Reeves tribute in the theatrical was good but the theme from Man of Steel was one of the only good parts)

So, yeah.... overall I'd say the ideal version would be some sort of frankenstein combination of the two that will never happen. Until that time, I would gladly watch the theatrical version again, but will probably not put myself through this one again.
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All that being said, naturally I would watch a hypothetical never-going-to-happen part 2 to this movie.
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Feel like this could have gone with the Avengers treatment and been split into 2 parts. I don't know where they would split it though as there wasn't really a good stopping point in the middle. Dunno. Regardless I thought it was way better than the original cut.

I can't quite explain it but the theatrical cut was boring to me and this one, despite being longer and slower, didn't bore me at all. It's weird. Everything was just more fleshed out. All the characters get time to shine and everything is explained better. The villain isn't a joke now and you get to see more of Darkseid and learn more of what's motivating all of this.

And I love the Knightmare scene in the epilogue. The conversation there was oddly haunting. Watched that bit a couple extra times. Really makes me want that sequel that will never happen.
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I seriously wonder if Snyder edited it to be released as a "series" what with the "Parts" and all... it was rumoured early on that it would be released in episodes. So maybe he edited it that way, with lots of extraneous fluff and stuff, instead of making any semblance of an attempt to make a tight and concise movie.
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SPOILER: show
When Ares chopped Darkseid in the shoulder with his axe, did anyone else instantly think "He should have gone for the head"?
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i watched it. took 2 sittings.


all the levity removed and added slow mo. could had a reasonable run time without all the slow mo. pointless is how i would describe a solid 180 min of this exercise in egoism.
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lol Whenever it would go slo-mo and do the new Amazon theme 'OOOHhHhhhAAAAAooooHHHAAAAA" or whatever, I would cringe
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also i love the audacity of crediting and editor. the fuck did he do?
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I need to watch the Wonder Woman vs terrorists scene again from the theatrical one, but pretty sure that one didn't show them brutally getting murdered by Wonder Woman in front of a bunch of schoolchildren and then also cut away before showing that she exploded half of the building herself to stop one dude. That's some real "The Boys" type superheroing.
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i mean we're dealing with a cannon that had batman shooting people. its totally on par
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for someone who spends as much time digging through source material as synder it never fails to amaze just how little he understands these characters on a fundamental level
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I'm 90 minutes in.

Snyder is great at one thing and that is using fight scenes as storyline. If he had just done a whole bunch of expository fight scenes and topped it off with a climactic battle this film would be tits.

As Destor said, Snyder's problem is not getting the characters beyond face value.
He knows who they are and what they can do, but he doesn't know how they would behave most of the time.
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90 min in. 150 to go.
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Steppenwolf: This one will be mine!
Wonder Woman: I belong to no one...

There's Zack Snyder in a sound bite.
Feminism is when a woman misunderstands a man and snaps back at him.
He's not trying to possess you love, he wants to kill you.

From the man that brought you Sucker Punch.
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How come Batman has a giant mechanical crab that lives underground?

I didn't see Jon Peters name on this...
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Destor and Seanny are correct about Snyder’s understanding or lack thereof about how these characters would act. That said I still enjoyed the movie and think it’s good even if it’s not accurate or faithful to the source material.
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He's really good at fight scenes and action in general.
He just needs a collaborator who can do the story for him.
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Old 03-19-2021, 10:10 PM   #106
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yeah he can frame an action sequence well enough.
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Old 03-19-2021, 10:20 PM   #107
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I think the story in this film was probably his best. Everything made sense and outside of some shots lingering on too long, this was a good story, IMO. The problem is it should absolutely not take 4 hours to get there. I can accept it for this film given its scope, scale and how many previously undefined characters it had to introduce and develop. But Snyder couldn’t tell good, concise stories in his previous DC efforts.
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Old 03-20-2021, 12:10 AM   #109
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watchmen and 300 are both reasonably good. this...pretty low. needlessly 4 hours...oof. what a fucking nightmare. among the worst paced films ive ever seen. literally only exists to validate itself to the fandom that rejected the whedon cut. if i ranked all his films this would be at the bottom based strictly on the run time. zero justification for it. sucker punch had more cohesion.
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Watchmen and 300 were pre written and essentially pre framed for Snyder. They are two of his better films but that’s because they’re not original ideas. It’s a prime example of how good he can be when ideas and storylines are reigned in and filtered for him.
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Just because.... tonight I watched the theatrical version of Justice League and once again really enjoyed it, even more than I remember. It is really like night and day how much it is better....
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Lol strongly disagree. I watched it a few months ago and while it’s not bad, it’s boring and uninteresting. It was also a jarring left turn from the tone of the previous 2 movies. But to each their own.
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i agree completely


still has immensely better pacing than this needlessly 4 hour monstrosity and its thematically more consistent.
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I think I’d have to work really hard to find somebody woo has anything nice to say about sucker punch
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Theatrical Cut: *starts with a nice upbeat scene showing Henry Cavil Superman actually smiling and being "light" for once*

Snyder Cut: *starts with a very prolonged extended and dour scene following the super-sonic death scream of Superman*
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Old 03-20-2021, 01:28 PM   #119
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That Superman opening never made sense. At no point was he ever presented that way in two previous movies. He probably should’ve been but randomly inserting that big of a character change was weird.
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So because Superman sucked in the previous movies it's the wrong move to try to course correct with him a bit and make him enjoyable for once?
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