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Old 05-30-2019, 01:57 PM   #41
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I think there's a difference between getting someone to do the favors on the way out and completely skullfucking their credibility.
That's true, but as the owner of the now competition, you are going to err on the skullfucking side moreso to the favors side....
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That's true, but as the owner of the now competition, you are going to err on the skullfucking side moreso to the favors side....
Which is why is seems like Dean Ambrose lied to them about what he was going to do. Pure bad faith bullshit.
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Wish Moxley would've said what the cancer line was that he refused to say.

Sounds like he didn't want to say it out of fear that it would get a writer fired even 6 months later.
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Just read the comment about Vince encouraging the 'cancer' comment.
I think I'm going to be sick. I'm not sure if I'll ever watch the WWE again after reading that comment. Just disgusting. Kudos to Ambrose for leaving for greener pastures.
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When he talked about having to take the words "pooper scooper" out of a script before showing it to Vince because he knew if Vince saw it he would fall in love with it...
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My fave bits were his Vince impressions "this is good shit". Just hammers home the fact Vince is writing tv strictly for himself and his own enjoyment.
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Considering the report a while ago about how much Ambrose hated constantly doing corny comedy, this interview really hammered the point of how much he despised Vince's style of comedy. If Vince just toned it down, Ambrose very likely is still in the company.

Also yikes at the cancer thing Vince wanted him to say but he refused because of how terrible it was. It had to be something worse than stating Reigns is faking having cancer or possibly even hoping he dies if the fear was someone would get fired and them losing sponsors.
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It sounds like he was just tired of the entire process. Vince being Vince didn't help. But it seems Jon was running outta gas as far as being in the company goes and was ready to leave anyways.

The way he paints the picture of constantly having to go to Vince to try and creatively assert what he thinks will work best, only to have Vince overrule everything and make into him a comedy heel doing goofy, nonsensical shit, sounds so damn exhausting.
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And it's all probably going to lead to Vince going "Well damn, we put a lot of time and effort into those Shield boys! We won't make that mistake again!"
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And it's all probably going to lead to Vince going "Well damn, we put a lot of time and effort into those Shield boys! We won't make that mistake again!"
or he'll spend extra time on Roman, Corbin, and Lashley so this won't happen again.
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I listened to this and it’s really excellent and I loved it but man did it bum me out. Specifically the part about not letting Vince know you’re funny because he’ll turn you into a joke. That hurt.

Just thinking back to Austin, Rock, Foley, Angle, Jericho, HBK, HHH who all had great comedic timing but were allowed to have multi layered characters who could turn it on when necessary. Ugh.
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Thinking about Rollins/Corbin and Roman/Drew. So flat. Zero fun.
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Would really like to know what guys like Bryan, Orton, and Styles think about Vince’s process. They all seem like guys who would get pissed at stupid writing like Moxley but they’ve all been pushed to the moon.
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Would really like to know what guys like Bryan, Orton, and Styles think about Vince’s process. They all seem like guys who would get pissed at stupid writing like Moxley but they’ve all been pushed to the moon.
Mox suffered from also having the potential to be "cool" mixed with "edgy" which from what he said was a bad combo for Vince. Orton and Styles are bland enough that Vince won't kill them with idiocy (though he's fucked Orton over a few times) while Bryan is almost bullet proof in that he'll take something assinine and make it amazing.

To sum it up, I have no idea, but it seemed from what mox was saying that being the "lunatic" got him special creative attention that only served to ruin him.
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I get that the "disgusted by fans" and inoculations and all that was "not Ambrose's cup of tea" and some fans also thought it was really dumb... Remember Noid getting really pissed off about it...

But was it really that bad... like seems more interesting than 90% of all the other boring shit WWE does... I admit that I was barely paying attention to it but the gimmick itself doesn't seem like that bad of an idea to me... It was "over the top" but it seems like standard wrestling heat where you insult the fans and town, etc...

I'm sure it's different if you're Ambrose and you have a different vision for yourself and you hate "prop comedy" or whatever... but from an outside perspective it doesn't seem like "that bad" of a gimmick
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It was probably a dumb gimmick to give to Ambrose at the time since I think it was right after he turned on Rollins on the night Reigns he announced he had cancer... adding the over the top gimmick on top of the feud was probably unnecessary and prob did hurt the feud a lot... but as a gimmick for someone else maybe, I don't think it's that bad is what I'm saying I guess...
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probably would have suited Iron Mike Sharpe a little better
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Nah he explained why he was pissed at that pretty well “on the pod”

The shots and gas mask thing did absolutely nothing to further his blood feud with Seth which should have been the hottest program in wrestling. They made him a joke.
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Like it’s one thing for Jerry Lawler or Ric Rude to come out and be like hey your town sucks, I’m a jerk, please boo me. That’s their thing.

But Ambrose had literally just turned heel because he was so mad at Rollins, and then he’s just randomly like oh also I hate germs and I built the Spruce Moose. Hop in. It made no sense.
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It was probably a dumb gimmick to give to Ambrose at the time since I think it was right after he turned on Rollins on the night Reigns he announced he had cancer... adding the over the top gimmick on top of the feud was probably unnecessary and prob did hurt the feud a lot... but as a gimmick for someone else maybe, I don't think it's that bad is what I'm saying I guess...
Didn't help that it was also on top of him looking like a knockoff Bane character and them adding the annoying siren sounds to his entrance them.

Just WWE piling more and more terribleness to the gimmick and that feud when neither were needed at all.
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Old 05-30-2019, 10:41 PM   #66
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All I want is for Rusev and Big E to be treated like the large chested monsters they are who also happen to be funny. Is that so wrong?
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Rusevhas unlimited potential. Funny, good looking, good in the ring, has charisma, etc. He's been completely wasted.
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This is actually a long standing beef I have with WWE. Push your heavies dammit. They fucked Rikishi up. They fucked Big Show up. They fucked Vader up. They fucked Kane up. They even fucked Ryback up. All of them could’ve been bigger than they were. And it’s happening again.
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Apparently someone recently tried doing that and WWE closed that potential loophole.
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Meltzer suggested that there are numerous individuals who've inquired about leaving the company recently.
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I think Renee is really miscast in the broadcast booth. She is a great interviewer and she shined on Talking Smack. Covering matches though just hasn't been her forte...with one, single exception being her and Tom Phillips/Saxton at the opening bout of MITB. She gelled really well with those two.
This is just speculation on my part, but I think the reason why she isn't great in the booth is the in-ear micromanagement. She started out okay when she first got there, but the quality has declined. How do you get "worse" with practice?

That's actually an across-the-board problem with main roster commentary. Vince should just take his ass back out there in the blue sportcoat and "whatamaneuver" his way through the broadcast. If not, let them breathe and become their own broadcasters. Remember, with Talking Smack, everyone there was in full DILLIGAF mode, since it was clear nobody important in the company watched it, and half of the promos were like 80s style "just go out there and talk them into the seats" natural speaking instead of some contrived, prewritten, overproduced, nonsense script.
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I think there's a difference between getting someone to do the favors on the way out and completely skullfucking their credibility.
Right. It also isn't neccessarily a precident that she absolutely needs to go where her husband is, either. There are people under contract right now that have significant others working elsewhere. It doesn't need to be an all or nothing thing. If the talent you have is happy to stay where they are, there isn't a reason to be petty and shitty to spite their partner. This is the same company that pretty much got snowed into Mike Bennett because they were so hard up to hire Maria back for some reason. If bringing her husband wasn't a condition of her being hired, I'm pretty sure he'd still be in TNA or back in Ring of Honor.

And lest we forget, his WWE push stopped immediately after she announced her pregnancy. My personal feelings about what kind of draw he is aside, that is a bit shitty that him knocking up his own wife fucked over his career path. Totally petty nonsense. Rusev outing his relationship with his now wife screwed both him AND her... sorta (the whole plan for her to be Ziggler's valet and Rusev to just be generic foreign heel that was never going to really go anywhere because lolWWE writing). Eden Styles was relegated to back burner from both her in-ring and announcer duties until her contract ran out after Cody Rhodes left. And of course, AJ Lee got shit on as a fuck you to Punk. There is no reason for any of that. If I am sideways with a company that my wife is completely happy with, there is no reason to take out any frustrations with me on her, because we're two different people. And if she is talented in whatever she does, your feelings about me shouldn't poison her well.

I guess what I'm trying to say is they don't have to go out of their way to make her feel unwelcome. If she's an asset, treat her like one and let her be her own person. If she wants out, too, don't make a giant on-camera government issue out of it or bury her to the pits of hell.

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This is Vince McMahon, dammit! We're talking full DVDA!
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Apparently someone recently tried doing that and WWE closed that potential loophole.
I found that funny as well. Remember when they amended the Wellness Policy because it looked like they were going to lose Orton? They didn't want to have to irrevocably fire a highcard draw so they could keep him while simultaneously not making their own policing look like a joke.

Now, they are doing essentially the same thing to punitively punish people who want to leave.
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None of his points are really surprising. Of course they think what they are doing is good shit. The place sounds awful and like it's only getting worse.
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Just thinking back to Austin, Rock, Foley, Angle, Jericho, HBK, HHH who all had great comedic timing but were allowed to have multi layered characters who could turn it on when necessary. Ugh.
Actually in Jericho's case, I believe this hurt him in 2000/2001. Although Jericho was way over with the fans and was primed and ready to be the heir apparent to The Rock and Austin, the WWE never fully gave Jericho the ball. Jericho's win over Triple H was made to be forgettable, and Jericho's entire heel run as Undisputed Champ actually made him look less credible since he was made to look like a fluke champion. In 2000, Jericho spent a lot of time being made to look inferior to both Angle and Benoit when he should have been going over both guys convincingly.....which would have then put him in a legit position to take the torch from Rock and/or Austin.

Wrestlemania 18 should have had Triple H and Austin switching places.....with Austin doing the clean job and passing the torch to a face Jericho. Triple H (face) should have done his thing with Scott Hall and the nWo. Jericho being the 'alpha' between 2002 and 2005 would have been the perfect transition from the Attitude era to the John Cena era.
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PWTorch's Wade Keller also held a recent big interview with Moxley discussing more on the issues with Vince and Creative backstage in WWE. Also goes into a bit more details on why he thinks WWE will be better off once Triple H takes over.




Listen to "WKPWP - Interview - Jon Moxley a/k/a Dean Ambrose (pt 1 of 2): Follow-up to podcast with Jericho talking WWE creative process, more (6-1-19)" on Spreaker.
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I think Triple H respects certain fundamentals, but I don't think he gets making stars nor that his principles are going to remain steadfast when his television is exposed to public barometers. He's not going to be able to tell long arcs with five hours of television each week to fill. It'll also be interesting to see what he does when the guys he pushes (that aren't him) don't work the way he wants them to.

But we might not ever get there, because Vince doesn't seem to want to go anywhere, and I can see Vince selling before Triple H gets anywhere near that level of power.
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Maybe Ambrose just isn’t as good as he thinks he is.
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