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If it makes him $ or makes his company look popular or good, he will do it. The big question is, would Vince hold it against Punk for Punk's previous actions and statements about his company, employees and family? Or even more likely, when Vince dies and/or cannot run WWE anymore, would HHH/Steph hold Punk's previous statements and actions against Punk? I could see Vince letting those things go probably. HHH & Stephanie, not so much. |
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06-10-2018, 05:02 PM | #42 |
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I'm sure at no point in your life have you done anything hypocritical. I'll grant you, I believe ALL WWE stars who bitch about the part-timers are a bunch of crybabies, but it was only one of the problems Punk had with the company - one of which I disagreed with wholeheartedly. Punk ain't main eventing any card with Rock and Cena on it. You think if he was actually happy with the way he was treated by the company that even would have been as much of a point of contention for him? There was a litany of other things that had rattled his cage and "being a hypocrite" just happens when emotions run high. Using it as a "whatabotism" is just some dumb shit people think to justify disliking someone. That was one gripe that was stupid amidst 15 others I totally sympathized with. He was wrong about the mania stuff, and he was right to take the payday from Dana, cuz why the fuck not? I would have. $1 million to get your ass kicked twice? Sounds okay to me. |
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06-10-2018, 05:10 PM | #44 |
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He's hypocrite. Fuck him. Its my no.1 pet peeve in life. Stand by your words or youre worthless to me.
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06-10-2018, 05:11 PM | #45 |
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If I was already a millionaire, had some integrity and cared about my reputation and could still wrestle some big matches 2-3 times a year across the next 4-5 years and make big money doing it?
No, I wouldn't go to another sport I am terrible at, position myself at the table with the best in the world, putting some of them on the undercard in the process and make a laughing stock of myself. Money isn't everything, and in his case, it wasn't the only way he could have gotten it. |
06-10-2018, 05:14 PM | #46 | |
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06-10-2018, 05:16 PM | #47 |
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So if I say something to you one day and I am steadfastly ALL ABOUT IT but then my world view changes over time, I have to stick to it because I felt that way once? That doesn't offer much room for personal growth.
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06-10-2018, 05:18 PM | #48 |
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06-10-2018, 05:19 PM | #49 |
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There's a distinct difference between that and hypocrisy and i know youre smart enough to not need that explained to you
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06-10-2018, 05:20 PM | #50 |
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I do find it particularly cringe that his initial gimmick in the WWE was as some Muay Thai specialist LOL FFS
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06-10-2018, 05:21 PM | #51 |
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If punk went on record saying he was wrong about his outrage and he didnt deserve a spot over them id forgive him. His song wont change though.
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06-10-2018, 05:21 PM | #52 |
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Holy shit Vince is a genius. This is clearly a long con by Vince to discredit the ufc. He sent punk out to infiltrate years ago by pretending punk walked out of the wwe. Not only that but set up a fake lawsuit to really drive home the fact punk and wwe hate each other. Dana, always looking to show up Vince welcomes Mr. Brooks. Punk "trains" for his matches and puts on shit shows so that fans and shareholders begin to question dana's ability to run the organization. Enter Vince who under the guise of the xfl takes out 100 million to secretly buy 51% of ufc under everyone's noses. Vince fires Dana and turns ufc into ufc PG. This gives Brock no where to go so he remains universal champ until hhh and steph's oldest comes of age to defeat him. UFC blossoms under the PG era and cm punk fulfills his dream of winning the ufc title in all the divisions. Wrestlemania 50 features punk vs Brock in a who gets power of attorney over Paul heyman. Fucking brilliant.
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06-10-2018, 05:21 PM | #53 |
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06-10-2018, 05:23 PM | #54 |
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There is a shoot story told about him fighting some indy worker outside a fast food restaurant, thinking he was the tough lad . It might have been teddy hart. And he got beat up then.
Think a little bit of him always felt he was a tough guy. |
06-10-2018, 05:23 PM | #55 |
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But again... maybe if you ask Punk now about the mania main event he has a different feeling on it? Emotions were running high at the time and much like any messy break up, people take issue with asinine things they'd take less personally with clearer heads. You're getting really stuck on one contentious issue (because you HATE hypocrites) and not looking at the whole deal.
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06-10-2018, 05:25 PM | #56 |
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06-10-2018, 05:27 PM | #58 |
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Punk is "tough" in that he can take a bit of a shit kicking but lacks any athleticism and brute strength to really dole anything of note out.
I'm sure he can beat up your average dad bod nowadays given he's spent 3 fucking years training with professional fighters, but not anyone with anything close to professional experience. Even Batista was awful in his only MMA outing. He got the win but realized fast it wasn't for him. |
06-10-2018, 05:29 PM | #59 |
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I mean realistically he doesn't owe any of us an explanation. Not that you owe him anything yourself (since you don't know him or care about him). But I find you being so highly principled about this kind of farcical. If you can't understand the he-said she-said nonsense of a bad business relationship then I dunno what to tell you.
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06-10-2018, 05:30 PM | #60 |
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Punks hand eye is a huge problem.
He has no awareness of where his body is. If that doesnt come natural its almost impossible to teach |
06-10-2018, 05:30 PM | #61 |
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Good for him. One of the greatest WWE performers of all time who had a chance to do something he really wanted to do. Is he an Anderson Silva or Jon Jones? Absolutely not. But good on him for trying. He nailed it when he said that there are people out there that thrive off seeing other people fail. Shame. |
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06-10-2018, 05:33 PM | #63 |
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Yeah... like if you compare him to Danielson (for instance) it's like two different species. I watched Bryan train with Sheamus and his coordination and understanding of his own body is fucking ridiculous. I'm honestly just laughing at the idea of Punk trying to keep up with Bryan in a work out.
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06-10-2018, 05:34 PM | #64 |
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I think it's pretty clear CM Punk needs to re-evaluate his life decisions and go back to what he's good at.
Before he hangs it up for good, I hope he can win a few more court cases once he graduates from law school. |
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But fuck you regardless. |
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06-10-2018, 05:52 PM | #67 |
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And I also 100% agree with you that there is literally ZERO difference in the two scenarios. Promoters saw a chance to make money and they took it. Really quite simple. I've always been annoyed by the full-timers complaining about the part-timers. There's a different convo to be had on why the full-timers can't draw for shit, but it's not the part-timers' faults.
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06-10-2018, 06:01 PM | #68 |
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Id support any wrestler wanting to go part time anywhere they thought it would make them money. And i aupport new york using part timers to get paid. No issues there. Get paid.
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06-10-2018, 06:01 PM | #69 | |
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No, it is not UFC level of skill, yes this is the kind of fight that should take place in a regional MMA card, but take all outside factors and considerations away, just CM Punk vs Mike Jackson, he did alright. He lost, he should not be considered a skilled fighter in any way. I am only saying that he showed was good enough to compete against Mike Jackson, even if he lost, he at least competed this time. Last time he just got beat up, it wasn't a fight, this time he was in a fight. He landed punches and kicks, he got a takedown, he even attempted a few submission moves, poorly attempted sure, but Jackson had to defend against them. |
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No way you can sell me on round 3 being a 10-9 round
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06-10-2018, 06:07 PM | #73 |
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Going the distance is an insult to jackson not a credit to punk.
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06-10-2018, 06:09 PM | #74 |
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Headline says it all:
Dana White Unhappy With 'Complete Idiot' Mike Jackson For Actions During UFC 225 Fight Vs. CM Punk https://www.forbes.com/sites/trentre...ht-vs-cm-punk/ |
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Unanimously 30-27
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06-10-2018, 06:17 PM | #77 | |
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Just because it happened on a UFC PPV doesn't change that point. Everything else beyond that point, I agree with what you are saying. |
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06-10-2018, 06:20 PM | #78 |
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"The former WWE star, whose birth name is Phil Brooks, suffered a relatively one-sided decision loss to Mike Jackson at UFC 225 on Saturday night at the United Center. All three judges scored it a shutout for Jackson, 30-26."
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I mean if we were talking about a fight in a hotel ballroom id see your point but we're talking about something that happened last night on pay per view
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