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Old 04-27-2021, 03:43 PM   #1
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A bonus for jobbing ?
Sometimes when I walk to the the kitchen i think about little ideas that could have changed WCW, or at least little things there that may have added up to a greater good.

What if the established stars were offered a "jobbing bonus"? I bet Hogan (and others) would have ben a little more open to putting over talent.

What do you think about this type of offer to difficult, established stars?

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Old 04-27-2021, 07:45 PM   #2
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Sometimes when I walk to the the kitchen i think about little ideas that could have changed WCW, or at least little things there that may have added up to a greater good.

What if the established stars were offered a "jobbing bonus"? I bet Hogan (and others) would have ben a little more open to putting over talent.

What do you think about this type of offer to difficult, established stars?
Chapter 12 : The demise of WcW.

In April 1999, Eric Bischoff came up with the idea of a "Jobbing" bonus, to get established talent to put aside their ego and job to help elevate new stars. The first offers made to Hogan were soundly rejected, as Hogan was already getting an enormous salary and the proposed jobbing change, was, and I quote, "That's pocket change Brother!".

Bischoff however did not give up on the idea. Instead, he continued to raise the amount until Hogan agreed. Bischoff hoped the resulting match would elevate the younger star and even though it helped, unfortunately, Hogan was paid the entire WCW budget for the next 10 years, leaving no salary for anyone else.

The idea of the jobbing bonus spread around the lockeroom to give wrestlers other ideas. Kevin Nash famously sat on the face of a member of creative until he was paid an "ass sitting" bonus so that the man could go home. That same writer later sued the company, winning a million dollar lawsuit for having spent 12 hours being sat on by Kevin Nash.

Meanwhile, Bill Goldberg demanded a "spear" bonus where he would be paid an extra $30,000 for every spear he performed in the ring. The result was that creative was forced to minimize the amount of spears Bill Goldberg could do in a match and replace them with lariats, which unfortunately led to Bill Goldberg injuring 12 wrestlers and one referee.
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Old 04-27-2021, 08:21 PM   #3
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Chapter 12 : The demise of WcW.

In April 1999, Eric Bischoff came up with the idea of a "Jobbing" bonus, to get established talent to put aside their ego and job to help elevate new stars. The first offers made to Hogan were soundly rejected, as Hogan was already getting an enormous salary and the proposed jobbing change, was, and I quote, "That's pocket change Brother!".

Bischoff however did not give up on the idea. Instead, he continued to raise the amount until Hogan agreed. Bischoff hoped the resulting match would elevate the younger star and even though it helped, unfortunately, Hogan was paid the entire WCW budget for the next 10 years, leaving no salary for anyone else.

The idea of the jobbing bonus spread around the lockeroom to give wrestlers other ideas. Kevin Nash famously sat on the face of a member of creative until he was paid an "ass sitting" bonus so that the man could go home. That same writer later sued the company, winning a million dollar lawsuit for having spent 12 hours being sat on by Kevin Nash.

Meanwhile, Bill Goldberg demanded a "spear" bonus where he would be paid an extra $30,000 for every spear he performed in the ring. The result was that creative was forced to minimize the amount of spears Bill Goldberg could do in a match and replace them with lariats, which unfortunately led to Bill Goldberg injuring 12 wrestlers and one referee.
Amazing. Especially that Goldberg tid bit.
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Old 04-27-2021, 08:22 PM   #4
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Chapter 12 : The demise of WcW.

In April 1999, Eric Bischoff came up with the idea of a "Jobbing" bonus, to get established talent to put aside their ego and job to help elevate new stars. The first offers made to Hogan were soundly rejected, as Hogan was already getting an enormous salary and the proposed jobbing change, was, and I quote, "That's pocket change Brother!".

Bischoff however did not give up on the idea. Instead, he continued to raise the amount until Hogan agreed. Bischoff hoped the resulting match would elevate the younger star and even though it helped, unfortunately, Hogan was paid the entire WCW budget for the next 10 years, leaving no salary for anyone else.

The idea of the jobbing bonus spread around the lockeroom to give wrestlers other ideas. Kevin Nash famously sat on the face of a member of creative until he was paid an "ass sitting" bonus so that the man could go home. That same writer later sued the company, winning a million dollar lawsuit for having spent 12 hours being sat on by Kevin Nash.

Meanwhile, Bill Goldberg demanded a "spear" bonus where he would be paid an extra $30,000 for every spear he performed in the ring. The result was that creative was forced to minimize the amount of spears Bill Goldberg could do in a match and replace them with lariats, which unfortunately led to Bill Goldberg injuring 12 wrestlers and one referee.
That sounds like a bunch of made up Bullshit, who wrote that book Dave Meltzer??
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Old 04-27-2021, 08:22 PM   #5
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Old 04-27-2021, 08:42 PM   #6
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Lol amazing

How did Curtis not win poster of the year. So good.
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Old 04-28-2021, 12:13 PM   #7
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Ego trumped everything else in WCW.
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Old 04-30-2021, 12:35 AM   #8
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Jason Jordan got a hell of a promotion....
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Old 05-02-2021, 02:44 AM   #9
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Yeah surprising given he’s one of the younger/less tenured producers.
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Old 05-02-2021, 10:36 PM   #10
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Well Kurt Angle is his father...
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Old 05-04-2021, 12:32 AM   #11
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Bret hart called Eric bischofd an imbecile, and he was right.

He had one good idea, the nWo , and booked it into the ground. Had bischofd brought in established stars with the pro Vidal in their contracts that they had to job a certain percentage to build new stars, half the shit we saw wouldn’t have happened.

Vince also wanted guys who would job. If they had a problem with that they were jobbing even more than they would have.
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Old 05-04-2021, 11:19 AM   #12
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It is widely documented that Hulk Hogan was the only wrestler that had full creative control in his WCW contract, but that is one of those narratives that is falsely pushed in saying all the stars had it.

Sure the stars had the juice to have input, but at the end of the day they could have fired anybody but Hogan for refusing to do a job.
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Old 05-04-2021, 03:16 PM   #14
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Yeah maybe contractually he was the only one but they definitely gave a few other guys free reign at times. Take Kevin Nash for example. His first night in booking he was booked to end Goldbergs streak and win the title. 3 months later he was head booker lol.
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On the topic of giving people bonuses to job....I've been thinking and I think it's a good idea, but in different ways situationally. For older guys/legends/part timers I would consider a monetary bonus to put over a current guy they want to build.

When you're talking about currently established main eventers, and maybe the top of the upper midcard (ie the kind of guy you need to build someone else by jobbing), I would maybe offer them some kind of incentive instead. Like "Hey Drew we need you to job clean to Keith Lee when he comes back but we guarantee you a world title feud in 5 or 6 months if you do it. Maybe some guy wants a little more creative freedom or a gimmick change, offer to let them try that if they do a job you need them to. Things like that.

I dunno. Just something I was pondering.

Edit: The reason I would give the older stars money instead is because it may not make sense to offer them title shots or reigns and changing them creatively at this point might mess up the star power they command that makes them an asset in the first place when it comes to doing jobs to build other guys.
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Yeah maybe contractually he was the only one but they definitely gave a few other guys free reign at times. Take Kevin Nash for example. His first night in booking he was booked to end Goldbergs streak and win the title. 3 months later he was head booker lol.
Right, and that was the issue, there was nobody who would put their foot down and say "either do it or you are fired". Yes it is a small difference between that and contractually giving creative control, but I think WWE has pushed that story forever as a "cautionary tale" to deny any possibility of anybody ever getting that perk again.
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