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Ophilia, The Cleric 1 14.29%
Cyrus, The Scholar 0 0%
Therion, The Thief 1 14.29%
Olberic, The Warrior 1 14.29%
Primrose, The Dancer 0 0%
Alfyn, The Apothecary 0 0%
Tressa, The Merchant 1 14.29%
H'aanit, The Hunter 2 28.57%
I am going to play all the Persona games first then come back to this later 1 14.29%
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Old 08-15-2018, 04:40 PM   #441
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You can skip dancer and equip the warmaster passive that gives perma ATT+ but i prefer other passives and would bring sorcerer primrose
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Yeah that will def work. I was just trying to do it with the same set up I use for everything else, but sorcerer becomes fairly useless as soon as he summons more than one add and locks out his elemental weaknesses, especially since the adds are only broken by physical attacks.
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Also I was running the battle with equipment that isn't optimal for a fully physical battle.
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I think all 4 of us have the hidden sub jobs so I'll skip the spoiler warnings and just say I encluded them.

Going to rank the classes:

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Warrior - I think putting this at the bottom will catch heat but I stand by it. The extra 50 attack passive and the 99,999 passive are the only reasons to use this class unless you have a spear based enemy. Its just not that great. Apoc has better single target AoE and single target damage excluding the divine skill which is very good for damage until you get the optional classes but i think this job just doesnt add any utility for a small damage increase. Olberic is great but only when you marry this kit with other (better) kits.


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Dancer - This class is good for farming. That is about it. Sp recovery passive is nice and dark damage is good for about 60 hours or so but by in large this class is best only put on primrose unless you have need of her divine skill. Ophilia as dancer can have some very useful applications against elemental bosses using Dancer divine plus reflect. Far too niche though.


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Theif- A lot of things hold this class back. Single target skills galore is a big one. All of the passive suck. Bottom of the bin in that regard. It it werent for its ability to funnel SP into the DPS classes it would be the last on the list but until you get Runelord this is a pretty vital class.


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Hunter - The class is good for multi bows and a nice AoE damage from Rain of Arrows but it deserves the spot due to Patience. A must have skill on every party member but especially true for your healers. All of its passive are very solid but it does get out classed by other classes.


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Scholar - Until late game this class is a must and while it is def left in the dust once you get get sorcerer the fact that its a staple for 60 hours or so of the game gets it a nod but late game though this kit is useless unless you're conserving SP. Since there is basically a better version of this class I cant put it any higher than this.


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Runelord - this set is only this high for one reason: it pairs with merchant in godly ways. the passives are mostly useless and the elemental buff aspects arent that great either. but buffs becoming AoEs is a spammable Dancer divine skill and that is broken in Tressa's hands. Donate BP, Rest and Sidestep are VERY powerful at this point. It also makes Apoc a viable healer but you will have to waste a round on occasion to make it happen.


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Starseerer - this kit sucks. Some ok moves and some I would never use. Pairs great with dancer's divine skill though. It has it's spot for the passives. BP eater is a must for all DPS and the double BP at the start of the battle paired with it makes farming and grinding a one turn ordeal. And having the ability to test for the 3 rare elemental types in one move is handy too.


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Apothecary - As a healer this class is basically trash. Though paired with runelord does make it better and the debuff clear is unique and really good as an AoE. it has great damage skills from the axe skills but none of those are why its in the top 5. The divine skill is the single best divine skill from the basic classes (and if it werent for Warmaster it would be the absolute best period.) Items as AoE is HUGE. Especially for the tough bosses.


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Merchant - Donate BP. Donate BP. DONATE BP. If this werent enough to crack the top 5 (it is) she also has the very high utility of hired help plus some very good passive. SP saver and ...endure? The survive KO passive. Top class set. Plus MONIES.


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Sorcerer - If you need nukes we got nukes. Pretty broken class. Triple hit all elementals is killer and lowering elemental def makes it even better. Passive leave a lot to be desired but the kit makes up for it in big ways.


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Warmaster - lolthisissoopwtfweretheythinkingifuckingloveitomg for real...what a fucking DPS class. Great options for multi hit breaking massive damage even without the divine skill and quality passives even if theyre a bit situational. You can deal 60k or so pretty easy per divine skill. It has no equal in DPS.


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Cleric - No job can half do what this class does. AoE heals. AoE raise. Reflect. These are major skills that every party needs. This job is a must at all times at any part of the game. Saving Grace is probably the best passive in the game as well. Great divine skill too. This is THE must have class no matter what party you build.
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Old 08-15-2018, 05:44 PM   #445
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Yeah that will def work. I was just trying to do it with the same set up I use for everything else, but sorcerer becomes fairly useless as soon as he summons more than one add and locks out his elemental weaknesses, especially since the adds are only broken by physical attacks.
Best thing about the adds is their hp isnt too beefy if youre 50ish so youll run through them like butter
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Oh believe me I have some gripes with your list as well lol.

Your criminal underrating of Dancer, for one.
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Single target buffs dont impress me much especially when passives and gear to those jobs with out wasting turns
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It has a good divine skill though.
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Haha I ran Ophilia Theif for about 50% of the game and it really works well with her kit, throwing out defence debuffs or 2 x dagger skills for breaks, but I also NEVER used it for SP battery. Passives are all absolute trash yeah and Starseer outclasses it completely, but Phili was locked in my party and doing thief things for a good chunk of time.

Thief is alright as a secondary job, Therion is still absolute garbage though.

That said, Warrior Alfyn was my champion. Dude wrecked so much, Abide into Amputation (even better with Cleric ult applied) or Brand's Thunder. Sublime. My credits roll was mostly just Amputation after Amputation.
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Mine too but with H'aanit as apoc. She used that until i got Warmaster
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If this game was nothing but chopping dudes for 20k damage I'd still love it.
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Late game it kinda is
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lol my late game is entirely different than yalls. Mine is all about Cleric divine\dancer peacock strut on sorcerer Alfyn, Alfyn boosts, waxes everyone with spells.
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Too many turns for my taste BUT that would def kill...EVERYTHING
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Not everything lol

That strategy is SHIT on the dire wolf as I mentioned earlier.
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Well mostly everything.

You can take it further since a lot of the stat boosts stack

Elemental Edge: 50% Boost, but can not stack with Dancer Buffs (its the same buff but a dif source of said buff)

BP Eater: 50% to boosted attacks

Elemental Aid: 50% Boost, but double SP costs

Augmented Elements: 20% Boost to Elemental Attacks

Stronger Strikes: 20% Boost when you hit weak points
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Raw numbers might not need weaknesses
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I'm curious, how did you end up with Alfyn as your mage, Seph? His base Elem Atk doesn't seem great (my Alfyn is only higher than Olberic for that stat, stripped of all gear) and he naturally favours physical.
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Its all about gear. Ive never given him any nuts and i have him geared up with a 900 elm attack. +100 bracelt (2 if you want to push him to 999) and bishops staff should max him out(ish) at level 70 or so
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Hunter and Thief are really valuable assets for the Direwolf fight imo. Leghold Trap keeps it in a holding pattern so you can always recover from his turn, Shackle Foe stops it from hitting too hard.
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Ah, I guess you could make anyone the primary mage if you really wanted to then. Prim is at 999 for me purely through her weapon loadout and it seems like a waste of those sweet Amps to give it to Alfyn instead.
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I did exactly what you suggested for the dire wolf battle destor. I dunno how you are killing it in 2 rounds like that. I was on like round 10ish and had cast the warmaster divine many many times. Almost killed it before it wiped me but it was in no way as easy as you made it sound and I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
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guess maybe I should use some of the stat boosting nuts, seeing as I have yet to use a single one yet lol
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My att stat was over 900 when i did it for all 6 items save the staff which was mid 800s
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Old 08-15-2018, 07:43 PM   #467
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Each ofnthe 6 strikes was doing like 25k or so (ive done30k per strike elsewhere)
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Im using Haanit as my warmaster as shes my main, and my level is 75. I must need to spam those stat boosting nuts.
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For reference, her attack stats are around 700 for polearm and axe, 600 on others lol. Suppose Ill rearrange my equipment and see where I can get them.
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Thats the diff 100%

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death cleaver right now. I just used the fortifying nuts I had on her, it got her stats comparable to where yours were. The only difference now is a couple weapons that are on other people, but I'm close to your stats regardless.
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Im using memorial axe. +400 att

2x boost warmaster axe AoE does about 12k damage to the mobs in this area
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Still not doing the damage you are. Do you mean that's the damage you do when the enemy is broken? If so I'm closer there now, doing like 16-20k per strike.
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I did manage to beat him on maybe turn 4 or 5 though.
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No. That's one strike as soon as the battle starts.
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