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Old 06-11-2018, 12:05 PM   #121
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Nowadays it's not. If we're talking 1997 then yeah he'd be fucked. But guys don't have that same kind of sway anymore. If Vince resigned Punk and was willing to let bygones be bygones, it'd be for money that "top" guys would have to job to him.
Only problem is that the main problem with Punk and WWE is between Punk and HHH, not Vince. All of the guys who have come back and buried the hatched were with Vince, not HHH, so it'll be interesting to see if he can let go of animosity.
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Old 06-11-2018, 01:01 PM   #122
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Punk wouldn't come back unless he was booked decently and was compensated in a way that would ensure good booking. But he's the type to hold a grudge so it likely won't happen.
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Old 06-11-2018, 01:53 PM   #123
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Old 06-11-2018, 01:54 PM   #124
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Can we stop giving Cornette air time?
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Old 06-11-2018, 01:54 PM   #125
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I like Jim Cornette you asshole lol
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:53 PM   #126
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Old 06-11-2018, 03:17 PM   #127
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Punk wouldn't come back unless he was booked decently and was compensated in a way that would ensure good booking. But he's the type to hold a grudge so it likely won't happen.
If I was overnighted my termination papers on my wedding day, I wouldn't be jumping at the opportunity to go back to work at the place.
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Old 06-11-2018, 03:30 PM   #128
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Punk is done with WWE. I believe that firmly.

I do think he'd consider ROH/NJPW unless WWE really did completely kill his passion for the entire industry.
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Old 06-11-2018, 07:07 PM   #129
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Punk vs HHH will happen at WrestleMania someday.
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Old 06-11-2018, 08:52 PM   #130
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Punk vs HHH will happen at WrestleMania someday.
Literally the match that was booked and made Punk quit lol
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Old 06-12-2018, 12:21 AM   #131
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Listening to his most recent comments post-court and post-fight, he still seems to have no interest whatsoever in wrestling. Not just WWE, but the whole business. "I've been trying to put wrestling behind me for 5 years and have said no so many times and yet people still say, 'so there's a chance?'"

I'll officially be surprised if he shows up at All In.
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Old 06-12-2018, 10:12 AM   #132
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Honestly, I think the best part of the ordeal was that Punk told HHH to fuck himself. Finally, someone had the balls to stand up to H. I actually like Hunter, but he has killed so much momentum in his time (Punk's included) and by the sounds of it, Punk really hurt his feelings lol
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Old 06-13-2018, 04:22 PM   #133
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Honestly, I think the best part of the ordeal was that Punk told HHH to fuck himself. Finally, someone had the balls to stand up to H. I actually like Hunter, but he has killed so much momentum in his time (Punk's included) and by the sounds of it, Punk really hurt his feelings lol
Triple H has redeemed himself somewhat with NXT, but not anywhere near the damage he did burying people for 20+ years.

I still believe part of the reason they put Daniel Bryan over at Wrestlemania 30 was just to show Punk up. The fact that its what the fans wanted would not have accomplished that alone, as evident by Roman the last 4 years.
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Old 06-13-2018, 05:58 PM   #134
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Booker T at wm 19 was a big one. By itself hhh going over isn't so bad. But if they were going to bring race into it then booker should of won. Mania is supposed to be the show that sends the crowd home happy. But here you have a racist character going over clean on a black guy lol. Fucking awful.
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:17 PM   #135
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Cutting the legs off Eugene for no other reason than Eugene was really getting over is HHH's most egregious act
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Old 06-13-2018, 07:21 PM   #136
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Booker T at wm 19 was a big one. By itself hhh going over isn't so bad. But if they were going to bring race into it then booker should of won. Mania is supposed to be the show that sends the crowd home happy. But here you have a racist character going over clean on a black guy lol. Fucking awful.
Just as bad was how Triple H won since there was such a long delay from his Pedigree to the actual pinfall. Made Booker look even weaker as a threat in the end.
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Old 06-13-2018, 07:25 PM   #137
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my favourite thing is Bruce Prichard trying to say it wasn't a race thing, but it was a "WCW" thing. Fuck that's an entertaining podcast for all the wrong reasons.
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Old 06-14-2018, 01:34 AM   #138
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That was another good example of Conrad relentlessly calling Bruce out on his bullshit.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:23 AM   #139
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But I mean - it's obviously by design. Bruce does it to be "entertaining", so it bothers me that I enjoy it at all lol
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:49 AM   #140
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I'm not so sure. I get the feeling Bruce either 100% believes his bullshit or his lips are just surgically attached to Triple H/Vince's ass.
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my favourite thing is Bruce Prichard trying to say it wasn't a race thing, but it was a "WCW" thing. Fuck that's an entertaining podcast for all the wrong reasons.
You know for a guy who claimed that he was going to be the guy to say all the stuff the front office didn't want him to say he sure is saying all the stuff the front office would say.
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Old 06-14-2018, 04:59 PM   #142
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But I mean - it's obviously by design. Bruce does it to be "entertaining", so it bothers me that I enjoy it at all lol
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Old 06-14-2018, 07:16 PM   #143
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You know for a guy who claimed that he was going to be the guy to say all the stuff the front office didn't want him to say he sure is saying all the stuff the front office would say.
the funny thing is he has a legion of marks believing his word to be gospel. i guess he is brother love.
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Old 06-14-2018, 07:33 PM   #144
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I have no clue how Prichard got so many people on side.
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I think CM Punk made himself irrelevant with that fight. He left the WWE a former multiple time champion and goes and embarrassed himself in a real fight so now nobody can take him seriously. We all know that wwe is fake but there’s still that aspect of believing these guys are tough. He’s a skinny fat non athletic prick and by him proving he can’t fight, how can you take him seriously in a wrestling ring?
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I have no clue how Prichard got so many people on side.
he's a worker. Conrad said it best on Sam Roberts' podcast (though in reference to Bischoff lying lol): the George Costanza adage of "its not a lie if you believe it".

And remember, this is a guy indoctrinated in WWF/E bullshit and McMahonisms.
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:22 PM   #147
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I have no clue how Prichard got so many people on side.
There's a lot of people who think just because he was part of the office that he's not full of shit and don't actually dig into the shit he's saying.
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:25 PM   #148
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It's kind of funny. Cuz the fact that he worked in the office should make him less reliable and ruin his credibility.
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Just as bad was how Triple H won since there was such a long delay from his Pedigree to the actual pinfall. Made Booker look even weaker as a threat in the end.
Yeah that was horrible on top of the awful idea on not putting Booker over in the first place.

I discussed a few weeks ago how HHH killed Randy Ortons momentum like 5 different times in his career.

Going over Sting was dumb.

Him beating Sheamus at Mania was dumb, especially since it seems like Sheamus was pushed cause HHH liked him, but then HHH has to go over him cause why the help not.

Him beating Lesnar at Wrestlemania is still crazy. Taker, Roman, Ambrose, and Goldberg all out Lesnar over at Mania, but not Trips.

CM Punk in 2011 was white hot, more over than anybody since 2005 Batista and Cena, but HHH beats him right at the height of all that.

As much as Jinder's push was forced hard, even in his home country of India, he STILL had to let HHH go over lol.

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Old 06-15-2018, 07:23 AM   #150
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There's a lot of people who think just because he was part of the office that he's not full of shit and don't actually dig into the shit he's saying.
Yeah, that’s true. Only the “he was there” angle only works up to the point someone is honest.
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Old 06-15-2018, 07:26 AM   #151
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I also don't think Bruce understands investigative journalism.
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His gripes with Meltzer implies not.
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Old 06-15-2018, 07:36 AM   #153
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Interesting discussion between Dale and Destor earlier in the thread re: Punk's credibility in WWE. Ultimately, I think Dale is right. The top guys just don't seem to be as savvy as the top guys of yesteryear. Orton has no problems doing jobs for Jinder Mahal; Roman Reigns has no problem doing jobs for The Miz, etc. The only guy who really protects his star these days is Brock, but he's a Heyman guy, so him selling for Punk doesn't seem entirely out of the realm of possibility. They'll just spin it so that they make them seem like different animals, or that CM Punk actually took a dive in order to get out of his UFC deal to go back to wrestling or whatever. Lower standards for himself so he can swoop back into posiiton instead of everyone being on guard.

I do think that Punk will end up back in wrestling, and I think his pride will, to a point, take him places other than WWE for a while. He can basically call his shots, because the business is so desperate to have him back. I'd like to imagine New Japan would take themselves more seriously as wrestling, but I think they'd just try to work things out like I suggested above. I can easily imagine Jericho cutting promos on Punk "turning to shit in his old age" and Punk being all "well, how about you give me a shot at that belt, Lionheart?" and them just hoping for the best. Sinclair might break the bank in order to get him to that MSG show for ROH too. At some point he will end up back in the WWE however. He won't need it; they won't need him -- these things just end up happening when there is room for them to make money off each other. I think Punk would get to win a Royal Rumble and main event if he came back. If the crowd loves him, cool; if they hate him, they will work it in. And Punk vs. Triple H will happen at WrestleMania at some point too. Either that or Trips & Steph vs. Punk & AJ Lee with Lee getting to cut promos about Steph taking credit for the women's revolution.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:15 PM   #155
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Cornette is fan-fucking-tastic. Very deserved red dots.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:21 PM   #156
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There's a lot of people who think he's too negative. But that's his brand. You have to accept Corny for who he is, and he's great. Dude is a fucking history prof, storytelling prof and a business prof wrapped into one. Of course he's a bit "out of touch" but that's part of his charm.
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I don't think he's negative enough.
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I don't think he's negative enough.
First time I've heard this but he's straight gold for the reasons Dastardly gave.
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Old 06-16-2018, 05:50 AM   #159
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Cornette is a genius. Wrestling would be a million times better if people actually listened to him and didn't write him off because they're fucking morons. I can understand people subjectively not liking him, because people have different tastes and what have you, but the idea that he's got nothing to offer wrestling or whatever is just so fucking goofy.
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You just need to pair him with someone like Jimmy Jacobs, but who also has patience and understands Corny is a spazz.
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