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Old 05-20-2023, 12:36 PM   #14001
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If AEW isn’t successful and WBD doesn’t think it’s doing well why the fuck would they give them 2 more hours of TV time to produce a new show? That doesn’t make sense.
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Old 05-20-2023, 12:37 PM   #14002
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I came back to TPWW after several years to make up some numbers. Eee hee hee what fun it has been.
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Old 05-20-2023, 12:38 PM   #14003
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If AEW isn’t successful and WBD doesn’t think it’s doing well why the fuck would they give them 2 more hours of TV time to produce a new show? That doesn’t make sense.
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Old 05-20-2023, 12:40 PM   #14004
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Now whoa whoa whoa hold on there, we cannot possibly say that
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What level of ratings were they commissioned to hit, exactly? Because it sounds like you're making stuff up here.
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Old 05-20-2023, 02:36 PM   #14007
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Cheap-ass programming. Drive people to streaming by letting cable die. Proof to WWE they’ve got the time available. Dilute the product so it’s easier to dump. There’s several reasons they might do it. I wouldn’t bet that any of them is the case, but none are outside the realm of possibility.
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Old 05-20-2023, 03:25 PM   #14009
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If AEW isn’t successful and WBD doesn’t think it’s doing well why the fuck would they give them 2 more hours of TV time to produce a new show? That doesn’t make sense.
That is almost the right point. WBD would give AEW more hours because it is a cost effective beneficial relationship for WBD. That is the sole aspect that is failing to be understood. Giving AEW another TV show so WBD can make more money off AEW is the smart business decision. Giving them a 400% raise when the shows they are already airing have been drawing less viewers would be a idiotic business decision.

WBD is not bending over backwards to give AEW a single cent more than they have to, no matter what. WBD cares if WBD is successful, that's it. They are giving AEW another show because it is a successful for WBD's bottom line. WBD does not accomplish that by giving AEW some landmark deal just because the IWC thinks AEW deserves it.
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Old 05-20-2023, 03:30 PM   #14010
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500k was a made-up number from Meltzer to low-ball the audience so anything they did over that looked like a miracle. Now you’ve got muppets like Rogerer using that and even smaller numbers as smokescreens.

Dave’s reasoning behind pulling this number out of his ass was “he spoke to someone at Warner” and you could add the 500k on television to B/R Live subscribers and get a bigger number. He was lying.
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Old 05-20-2023, 03:33 PM   #14011
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What are you talking about XRod? I'm not parsing through this entire ridiculous argument. Being good for WBD's bottom line means AEW is--to some degree--successful.
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That is almost the right point. WBD would give AEW more hours because it is a cost effective beneficial relationship for WBD. That is the sole aspect that is failing to be understood. Giving AEW another TV show so WBD can make more money off AEW is the smart business decision. Giving them a 400% raise when the shows they are already airing have been drawing less viewers would be a idiotic business decision.

WBD is not bending over backwards to give AEW a single cent more than they have to, no matter what. WBD cares if WBD is successful, that's it. They are giving AEW another show because it is a successful for WBD's bottom line. WBD does not accomplish that by giving AEW some landmark deal just because the IWC thinks AEW deserves it.
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Old 05-20-2023, 03:45 PM   #14013
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What are you talking about XRod? I'm not parsing through this entire ridiculous argument. Being good for WBD's bottom line means AEW is--to some degree--successful.
Sure. And this might seem like hair-splitting, but I’d say that speaks more to the success of WBD more than AEW. We don’t even know if their new deal (assuming they get one) is going to put them in the green or not when you factor in talent costs, production, etc.

Dynamite would logically bring in >$90 million for both WBD and AEW. If the Alvarez deal is correct (he’s lying), then $100 million per year over 3 years is an absolute dogshit deal. They’d be better off with their current setup.

Between Dynamite, Collision and Rampage, anything less than $200 million would have to be seen as them taking the heavy dick, surely?
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Old 05-20-2023, 03:46 PM   #14014
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I liked MJF and Sammy pretending to be friends but aside from that, this Pillars Four Way match just doesn’t interest me a whole lot.

Problem is it just badly exposed how much further ahead MJF is of the other three. And then Darby himself is probably leagues above the other two in terms of the crowd caring about him despite his inability to talk.

If they insisted on a four way I’m imagining JB and Sammy being subbed out for Eddie Kingston and Ricky Starks. The promos between those two and MJF would be so good. And then Darby would just be there to throw himself at everyone.
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It would be absolutely hilarious if AEW gets less money to produce more television. I’m sure Meltzer will report it as an amazing deal though.
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I liked MJF and Sammy pretending to be friends but aside from that, this Pillars Four Way match just doesn’t interest me a whole lot.

Problem is it just badly exposed how much further ahead MJF is of the other three. And then Darby himself is probably leagues above the other two in terms of the crowd caring about him despite his inability to talk.

If they insisted on a four way I’m imagining JB and Sammy being subbed out for Eddie Kingston and Ricky Starks. The promos between those two and MJF would be so good. And then Darby would just be there to throw himself at everyone.
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And since I know people get confused:

* There are popular things that are good.

* There are popular things that suck.

* There are unpopular things that are good.

* There are unpopular things that suck.

AEW is in that last category. It sucks and it is unpopular. That is when you can draw that correlating link. “Hey, maybe people don’t watch this because it sucks?”
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What are you talking about XRod? I'm not parsing through this entire ridiculous argument. Being good for WBD's bottom line means AEW is--to some degree--successful.
Just for a hypothetical point, lets say WBD makes $100 million a year off AEW programming, and they pay AEW $45 million of that. That is a great deal for WBD because they are profiting $55 million. In what world would WBD say lets give AEW $200 million, and instead of making $55 million a year, lets lose $100 million instead?

That would make AEW much more successful, but why would WBD care? Their job is to make money for WBD, not AEW.
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Bryan Danielson is said to be helping out with AEW creative. I’d say this is a step in the right direction, but I don’t think it will make much of a difference. The whole product has got stank on it.
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If WBD currently makes way more than $90 million off Dynamite and in the next round they get to take that ad revenue back, how much that factors into the deal will show the leverage AEW has.

$100 million for Dynamite, Collision and Rampage when they would currently get at least that much for Dynamite would just be ludicrous. If that ends up being the deal, it shows they had nowhere else to go.
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Old 05-20-2023, 05:46 PM   #14021
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AEW must be doing well enough to be successful since they’ve been given 3 extra hours of TV after their initial 2019 TV debut. To say anything other than that would just be arguing for the sake of being an idiot.

WBD wouldn’t invest in something if it wasn’t successful and worth the investment. Because that would be stupid.

As far as the ppv goes, this would’ve been a great time to bring Kingston back to AEW TV and give him a main event run against MJF. Pretty obvious Cole is the next babyface in line to get a shot. If they wanted to do a pillars match, Darby by himself would’ve been fine given the history of the 2. Sammy and JB are far below those 2 and shouldn’t be sniffing a main event program.
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Pretty obvious Cole is the next babyface in line to get a shot.
This makes sense but ugh. I like Adam Cole but he just doesn't scream "main event" to me.
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Old 05-20-2023, 06:52 PM   #14024
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It’s fucking insane that CM Punk would consider going back to work there after the latest attempts to not only fuck with him, but to fuck with the entire Collision concept (and everybody associated with it) by nerfing their star power. And Tony Khan just lets it all happen.
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Old 05-20-2023, 08:39 PM   #14025
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This makes sense but ugh. I like Adam Cole but he just doesn't scream "main event" to me.
It screams filler feud sadly.
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The funny thing is, if Adam Cole had been smart enough to take the “manager” role in WWE, he’d probably be a big thing now. We’d be focused on his strengths. Now we all see his weaknesses.
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Old 05-20-2023, 11:10 PM   #14027
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WBD wouldn’t invest in something if it wasn’t successful and worth the investment. Because that would be stupid.
That is literally what I have been saying, WBD wouldn't put AEW on tv if it was not worth the investment to them.

It is also why I have been saying the IWC's projections are way out of wack. Giving AEW a 400% increase would not be worth the investment. The fact that WBD wants to expand the relationship is because WBD is getting favorable terms. WBD doesn't care what AEW's P&L Report looks like, they are not just going to overpay for AEW because AEW diehards want it to be true.
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Old 05-21-2023, 02:46 AM   #14028
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Cole definitely a feeder feud. At this point I’m not sure who the guy to dethrone MJF is gonna be.
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Old 05-21-2023, 03:11 AM   #14029
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Just put all the titles on Christian
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Old 05-21-2023, 09:49 AM   #14030
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Cole definitely a feeder feud. At this point I’m not sure who the guy to dethrone MJF is gonna be.
Probably Orange Cassidy.
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Old 05-21-2023, 10:31 AM   #14031
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Old 05-21-2023, 11:15 AM   #14032
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Old 05-21-2023, 11:22 AM   #14033
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Old 05-21-2023, 12:12 PM   #14034
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Oh, ok.

So gonorrhea then.
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That is literally what I have been saying, WBD wouldn't put AEW on tv if it was not worth the investment to them.

It is also why I have been saying the IWC's projections are way out of wack. Giving AEW a 400% increase would not be worth the investment. The fact that WBD wants to expand the relationship is because WBD is getting favorable terms. WBD doesn't care what AEW's P&L Report looks like, they are not just going to overpay for AEW because AEW diehards want it to be true.
We’re two of the more honest people about AEW here, but I don’t think either of us has made the point that AEW is not financially convenient television for WBD.
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I can’t think of a single AEW championship that wouldn’t be improved by Christian holding it.
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Old 05-21-2023, 03:24 PM   #14038
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We’re two of the more honest people about AEW here, but I don’t think either of us has made the point that AEW is not financially convenient television for WBD.
That has been my position the entire time. WBD is cutting costs across the board, they are not going to give AEW a 400% increase because it is some magical proof that can be used by AEW fans to argue how great AEW is.

WBD will give AEW just as much as they have to. They know Tiny is going to fund it regardless, so what would they gain? Anything they pay AEW over what they are paying AEW now will decrease the profit for WBD.

None of the defenders have answered WHY would WBD want to go from making money to losing money on AEW?

And no, I do not know the exact financials, but I am fairly comfortable in saying WBD is NOT making over $200 million a year on AEW now with 800,000 viewers.
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Seems like a pretty silly move to try and shop around ROH earlier this year and tip your hand that there really aren’t that many suitors for wrestling.

That was the thing that changed everything for me. WBD could potentially leverage a deal with AEW where they pay them less than they do now. It would be brutal, but it’s within the realm of possibility. Where else is AEW going to go? AXS?

The Alvarez deal is LolAEW if true, but is likely Alvarez lying to make AEW look better when they essentially get what you would expect them to (about double what Alvarez is suggesting).
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My prediction: $250 million per year for 4 years. That way they can announce it as a $1 billion deal for optics. That includes Dynamite, Rampage, Collision and any auxiliary programming TNT or TBS might require should the NBA go on strike or something.
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