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Bret Hart 15 44.12%
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Old 05-10-2020, 10:08 AM   #41
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As an adult I pick Bret. I cannot lie though, HBK was essentially my heartbeat in wrestling until he retired. That was the first time I felt like I could quit wrestling. But... I didn't

Looking back, there is nobody who's library of matches I prefer to watch than Bret Hart. From Stampede to Montreal I love it all. My favorite foes of The Hitman include.... Diesel and Owen. I feel that Bret and HBK while they were a natural rivalry, never really hit the peak of match quality that we would've expected. Looking back is possilbe that Montreal is actuall their best match together.

Also on the point....

I don't think there is a wrestler with a better library of matches than HBK. From his tag wars in AWA to opening the card in WWF with fun and high flyin, to the heel turn and subsequent heel run that lead him to the top... HBK's career came into untouchable status when he returned from "injury" after 4 years and absolutley topped everything he did before. Angle, Jericho (multiples), HHH, McMahon, Orton, Benoit, Taker... So many amazing PPV matches after the back injury.


Biggest regret for HBK... no match with The Rock.
Biggest regret for Hitman ... no match with Kurt Angle
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Old 05-10-2020, 10:09 AM   #42
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I mean you can argue Lawler is better than both Michaels and Hart.
You can argue and you'd have a point sure Lawler is a legend. But match by match there is no comparrison.
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Old 05-10-2020, 10:10 AM   #43
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I mean you can argue Lawler is better than both Michaels and Hart.



One of those has already been proven false.
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Realistically Bret is like a Steve Blackman level of wrestler. Nice opening match guy, good hand in the ring who warms the crowd up for the actual talent.


I would say this reminds me of former CHW star The Devastator. Like you said, Devastator was a great opening match talent to fire up the crowd but would put them to sleep with a long match. Devastator's CHW Pro match was one of the longest in his time in CHW and definetely riled up the live crowd but if Devastator was in the main event, it would've put them to sleep. Like you said about Steve Blackman, Devastator also depended alot on Kendo sticks as you can see in his match






Also another fun fact is that Bret became popular due to being in a great tag team with his brother Owen. Similarly, Devastator got over during his time as one half of team FUCK THE WORLD along with Innovator.
And like Bret Hart, Devastator broke up with the promotion after uprofessional conduct.
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Bret was one of the best sellers of all time - way better than Shawn in that regard. That is the one thing everybody talks about when bringing up Bret's work.

No doubt bret was practically flawless but hbk could def bump his ass off
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Shawn was definitely a better bumper than Bret. Not even close.
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Old 05-10-2020, 05:25 PM   #50
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Were Bret or Shawn really draws? I've always understood it that from Bret to Diesel to Shawn were the worst drawing periods in company history and that Austin was the first big babyface title run since Hogan that made them money.

That being said, I've always been mark for Bret. I started watching wrestling as he was making his run towards Mania 10. Michaels is the better athlete and talker but I'll always prefer Bret.
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I would say this reminds me of former CHW star The Devastator. Like you said, Devastator was a great opening match talent to fire up the crowd but would put them to sleep with a long match. Devastator's CHW Pro match was one of the longest in his time in CHW and definetely riled up the live crowd but if Devastator was in the main event, it would've put them to sleep. Like you said about Steve Blackman, Devastator also depended alot on Kendo sticks as you can see in his match






Also another fun fact is that Bret became popular due to being in a great tag team with his brother Owen. Similarly, Devastator got over during his time as one half of team FUCK THE WORLD along with Innovator.
And like Bret Hart, Devastator broke up with the promotion after uprofessional conduct.
That is about as solid a comparison as any. Bret Hart is definitely a poor man's Devastator
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I had a crush on both as a kid.

Since I'm not a super nerd though and don't care about backstage stuff that doesn't effect my opinion on either.


Would choose Shawn over Bret.
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If it's only by the first run I would put Shawn and Bret at the same level, but with the second run Shawn is first and it's not even close !!
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Bret really the victim of awful luck. Had he not gotten hurt and have his health fall off a cliff he likely getsan in ring return and some kind of run. And we may have gotten the HBK v Hart rematch. Pity, really.
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Were Bret or Shawn really draws? I've always understood it that from Bret to Diesel to Shawn were the worst drawing periods in company history and that Austin was the first big babyface title run since Hogan that made them money.
Diesel was the lowest drawing but Bret and Shawn weren't far behind.
I think a lot of that has to do with the product stagnating on the whole. Who wants to watch Diesel if you have to sit through The Godwinns, Mantaur and Sal Sincere first?
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Bret really the victim of awful luck. Had he not gotten hurt and have his health fall off a cliff he likely getsan in ring return and some kind of run. And we may have gotten the HBK v Hart rematch. Pity, really.

If bret never left wwe he would of been the goat. Wcw killed him,tbh
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Only to get to watch Diesel wrestle fucking Mabel in the main event
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Bret's back-breaker, 2nd rope pinpoint elbow, and sternum turnbuckle bump are better than anything HBK ever did.
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It's the only moves Bret had
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It's the only moves Bret had
Bsck drop suplex?
Atomic Drop?
Plancha?
Elbow drop?
Sharshooter?
Suplex?
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Shawn Michaels didn't have a particularly great move set either.
Bret at least presented his moves as a precisely developed routine for getting the Sharpshooter on. Shawn Michaels stamps in the corner for a while then lands a kick that Yokozuna did ten times better.

What's so great about that?!
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I fell asleep for about 45 minutes just typing about Bret Hart. Oh no. I typed Bret Hart again! Good night everyone.
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HBK was a way better overall performer than Bret. And I’m not even a Bret hater. Michaels was out of this fucking world good.
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I can't actually begrudge people for choosing Shawn over Bret. In his prime, he was such a stud. But comparing them in some ways is like comparing apples and oranges. Two completely different styles and approaches.

Currently, I enjoy Bret's matches way more for rewatching. His offense is so much crisper and his attention to detail with selling, for instance, is on another level. Shawn undoubtedly had a more explosive style - and I'm not going to sleep on his attention to detail or his selling - but it definitely was nowhere close to as believable as the Hitman. I'd say Bret also brought more intensity.

Where Bret can't touch him is with athleticism and flashiness. On that front, Shawn could do things Bret couldn't even dream of. But when it comes to the basics, Hart could get more out of a punch or leg drop than Shawn could get out of some of his more hard-hitting offense.

Part of that is because HBK focused more on eye-catching bumps than he did on bone-crunching offense. He was good with the "catch as catch can" stuff as he grew in his 2nd run, but it was nowhere near as believable as Bret.
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Were Bret or Shawn really draws? I've always understood it that from Bret to Diesel to Shawn were the worst drawing periods in company history and that Austin was the first big babyface title run since Hogan that made them money.

That being said, I've always been mark for Bret. I started watching wrestling as he was making his run towards Mania 10. Michaels is the better athlete and talker but I'll always prefer Bret.
Bret was certainly a draw. Perhaps more for attendance than PPV, I'm not sure. I think the opposite for HBK, likely better daw for PPV than live gates.

I could be totally wrong that's just what I think based on what I know.
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I can't actually begrudge people for choosing Shawn over Bret. In his prime, he was such a stud. But comparing them in some ways is like comparing apples and oranges. Two completely different styles and approaches.

Currently, I enjoy Bret's matches way more for rewatching. His offense is so much crisper and his attention to detail with selling, for instance, is on another level. Shawn undoubtedly had a more explosive style - and I'm not going to sleep on his attention to detail or his selling - but it definitely was nowhere close to as believable as the Hitman. I'd say Bret also brought more intensity.

Where Bret can't touch him is with athleticism and flashiness. On that front, Shawn could do things Bret couldn't even dream of. But when it comes to the basics, Hart could get more out of a punch or leg drop than Shawn could get out of some of his more hard-hitting offense.

Part of that is because HBK focused more on eye-catching bumps than he did on bone-crunching offense. He was good with the "catch as catch can" stuff as he grew in his 2nd run, but it was nowhere near as believable as Bret.
All correct. Another issue is that HBK phoned in a lot of matches. Bret treated every match in WWF like it was real, and important.
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Looking up ppv HBK nor Bret drew that well but HBK had better house show numbers, which used to be the company's bread and butter.

Neither were ideal draws, tho. They get the dubious honor of being top guys at the company's lowest point. Specifically, Michaels was getting his shit kicked in while WCW was hammering them in ratings.
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Shawn Michaels didn't have a particularly great move set either.
Bret at least presented his moves as a precisely developed routine for getting the Sharpshooter on. Shawn Michaels stamps in the corner for a while then lands a kick that Yokozuna did ten times better.

What's so great about that?!
Bret's offensive moves were all excellently executed and looked painful.

Shawn had no moves other than the super kick, elbow and dives. Sometimes he'd trade holds or hit a suplex but that's pretty much it. Shawn was great because of his charachter and acting or selling abilities.

However we shouldn't knock Bret, when he was taking a beating it was also a work of art. How else did he get 4 excellent matches out of Big Daddy Cool, and make matches with Kamala, Zombie Taker and other galutes of the time, work.

I'll take Bret's buckle bump over Shawn's Flair rip anyday.
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Looking up ppv HBK nor Bret drew that well but HBK had better house show numbers, which used to be the company's bread and butter.

Neither were ideal draws, tho. They get the dubious honor of being top guys at the company's lowest point. Specifically, Michaels was getting his shit kicked in while WCW was hammering them in ratings.


It's tough to hear that. Both of them were THE GUYS for me when I was a kid. So they were both draws for me 100%.
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It's tough to hear that. Both of them were THE GUYS for me when I was a kid. So they were both draws for me 100%.
Bret was my first fave rassler. It sucked realizing he was a top guy in maybe the company's worst run lol
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Bret was my first fave rassler. It sucked realizing he was a top guy in maybe the company's worst run lol
But tops pops man. Nobody got those kids to pop like Bret did.
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