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Old 04-14-2023, 08:35 PM   #13641
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Tiny gave 39 year old Brian Cage, who he went 2 years without booking on TV, a 5 year guaranteed contract, with an option for a 6th year lol
Wtf?! Is it really that long? If there were rumors of WWE being interested, I bet they were fed to get TK to panic and make that move.
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Old 04-14-2023, 08:43 PM   #13642
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Wtf?! Is it really that long? If there were rumors of WWE being interested, I bet they were fed to get TK to panic and make that move.
That is what is being reported. Probably gave FTR Hair and Bald that deal too.
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Old 04-14-2023, 09:57 PM   #13643
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Brian Cage is not worth that investment.
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Old 04-15-2023, 04:50 AM   #13644
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AEW’s talent management is horrendous. And their booking sucks. So coupling the two together is leading to a lot of these nightmares.
Bad take.

You can look at how 3-time Booker of the Year Tony Khan has guys go weeks/months between TV appearances and understandably think it’s poor management but consider this: who are WWE top stars?

Roman, Brock, Cena, Logan Paul.

What do they have in common? They’re all talents that aren’t there week-to-week, they’re special attractions. TK is making Miro an attraction to eclipse them all!
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Old 04-15-2023, 09:44 AM   #13645
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Yeah TK only wanted Miro to job to Hangman when he came back because he is a master of long term storytelling. It would have all made sense after he returned again after another year long hiatus.
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Old 04-15-2023, 10:25 AM   #13646
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Yeah TK only wanted Miro to job to Hangman when he came back because he is a master of long term storytelling. It would have all made sense after he returned again after another year long hiatus.
Miro, another guy Tiny resigned to a multiyear deal and who has had 4 matches in the last going on 2 years. Totally making the best of that financial commitment
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Old 04-15-2023, 11:25 AM   #13647
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Old 04-15-2023, 01:05 PM   #13648
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Miro, another guy Tiny resigned to a multiyear deal and who has had 4 matches in the last going on 2 years. Totally making the best of that financial commitment
Say it with me: “Special Attraction”.
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Old 04-15-2023, 04:40 PM   #13649
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Old 04-15-2023, 05:06 PM   #13650
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Say it with me: “Special Attraction”.
That might work better if when he did get booked it wasnt just in a random 6 man tag or as a replacement when somebody got hurt or too drunk too often.
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Old 04-15-2023, 05:41 PM   #13651
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The latest bullshit from the dirt sheets is that Punk is returning in June for 2hr Collisions.

It would be funny if Punk gets better ratings on a Saturday than The Elite get on a Wednesday.
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Old 04-15-2023, 06:02 PM   #13652
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The go home Dynamite for Forbidden Door 2 is in Chicago. How convenient. I'm sure there will be a huge announcement.
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There’s a huge announcement every week.
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Old 04-15-2023, 07:51 PM   #13654
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Debuts do not get the rating bump anymore.
Special Edition Dynamites do not get the ratings bump anymore.
HUGE announcement ratings bumps lost their last gasp with a fucking reality show.

We are now at the point where a wrestler needs to die that Tiny can then exploit to get a ratings pop. That is where we are now, and lets hope Shad will finally draw the line and tell Tiny NO, he will not fund murder for ratings.
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Old 04-15-2023, 09:14 PM   #13655
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Wrestlers die a lot so thatll probably work out
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Old 04-15-2023, 10:52 PM   #13656
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Pre sale wait list of 50k for the England show, sounds promising. Wonder what pricing will be like.
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Old 04-16-2023, 12:24 AM   #13657
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Even Dave responded, guess Tiny's check was late this week

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They know how presale works right? 100% will be sold the second the gate is open
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They’re probably en route to sell about 53k right now. It will probably be more by the day.
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Old 04-16-2023, 05:48 PM   #13660
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Imagine the rant about THE BOTZ we'll get if they don't sell that many now.
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Well, who knows how hot the ticket actually is versus how hot it is perceived to be by scalpers, etc. Selling the tickets initially and filling up the building aren’t exactly synonymous.

Clash at the Castle had about 59k people queued up for the presale. They ended up with 64k in the building, or about 5% over what the presale was.
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I think the risk AEW needs to try and mitigate is putting on a show that doesn’t exactly encourage repeat business. I think there’s a good chance of backstage backlash at talent positioning too. TK needs to sort his house out and make sure that he can run Wembley again, not just the once with the low-hanging fruit of London being ripe for a stadium show.
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Old 04-16-2023, 11:55 PM   #13664
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This was something that nobody learned from Impact...
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Old 04-17-2023, 12:09 AM   #13665
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Hayter and PAC are the only AEW Brits that need to be on the Wembley card. But you know they're gonna book Saraya in a match there even if she's undeserving.

I do actually like Kip Sabian well enough as an undercard act but if they randomly start pushing him out of the blue just so he can have an International Title match it'll be really transparent. If they do a pre-show battle royal and want to throw him in then whatever, but not a regular match.

From the partner promotions, Ospreay's the only non-AEW Brit I think would make sense to book, particularly if it's against Omega. Everyone would be fine with that I reckon. Even a guy like ZSJ who I love, Bryan vs. ZSJ feels like a great Forbidden Door match, going out of your way to save it for Wembley would feel kinda forced.
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Old 04-17-2023, 03:53 PM   #13666
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Kinda funny that AEW is gonna run a TV show in the same timeslot as WWE PPVs. I can just hear the crying if WWE does the same to them.
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Kinda funny that AEW is gonna run a TV show in the same timeslot as WWE PPVs. I can just hear the crying if WWE does the same to them.
Remember when Kenny Omega got pissed that WWE was evil enough to air an Evolve show on the WWE Network the same night AEW had a "for charity" Fighter Fest show? Not a WWE show, an Evolve show that was already booked, but WWE was hurting the wrestling business by airing an Indy show. Classic AEW
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Old 04-17-2023, 04:47 PM   #13668
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Kinda funny that AEW is gonna run a TV show in the same timeslot as WWE PPVs. I can just hear the crying if WWE does the same to them.
Tbf, this is DTW making them do it. I know 3 x Booker of the Year Tony Khan would never do anything to harm the business.
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Old 04-18-2023, 07:43 AM   #13669
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Don't get why Punk and The Elite need to work separately from each other as is being rumored. I've had fist fights with people I shared a drink with almost right after. Motherfuckers need to get over it.
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Old 04-18-2023, 07:43 AM   #13670
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And nobody needs to apologize. Just fucking work together and make money. Christ.
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They’re a bunch of fucking pussies. And the root of the problem. The Elite are always going to get in between AEW and success.
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Old 04-19-2023, 10:24 AM   #13672
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And nobody needs to apologize. Just fucking work together and make money. Christ.
Dale is correct. This is what would be best for business but if you just want to play in the sandbox with your friends and get Tony to put some of the adults on an entirely different show to keep the sandbox the way they like it this is another route that helps no one. At least you get to gang bang Riho whenever you need to feel better about yourselves.
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This whole Punk/FTR v Elite drama is maybe the only time I'd want Vince to be in charge just because he'd probably make everyone involved eat shit or find a way to have them sit at home not getting paid until they did what he wanted.
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I just can’t bring myself to care about this Elite/Punk stuff. Any tension dissolves the moment you put them in the ring. They don’t have the style to deliver on personal issues.
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Old 04-19-2023, 10:46 AM   #13675
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The Elite are clearly still butthurt about Punk and don't want to work a program with him because they have no direct financial incentive to do so. Even if it's "best for business", the only person who could make any actual money from this is Tony Khan. Such is the drawback with giving people guaranteed deals in an industry filled with bruised egos.

And before anyone says "well that's easy then, tell them if they don't do it they're fired for insubordination"...yeah that sounds easy from afar but it's almost certainly way more complicated. Much like how people said Punk could hold "hostile work environment" over Khan's head, The Elite would just do the same thing. "How can you say we're fired for cause because we didn't want to work with someone who assaulted us?"

Very easy to see how this could turn into yet another legal quagmire. And so that's why Khan is pretty much over a barrel here. He did this to himself.
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Old 04-19-2023, 11:02 AM   #13676
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Dax Harwood has announced that he is shutting his podcast down, saying he felt it was doing more harm than good. He claims there was no pressure from AEW or Tony Khan to end it.
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Old 04-19-2023, 12:53 PM   #13677
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The fact he felt the need to say TK didn't shut it down is proof that he did.
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Had he said nothing, everyone would've blown him up on Twitter asking if TK put him up to it lol

Even if TK really wasn't involved, there's been too much bullshit going around for people to not just assume it was him anyway
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Yeah. The fact that he needed to say it is more an indictment on the predictability of IWC blowhards who are always desperate to create their own scuttlebutt and treat it as fact to fit the narrative they want pushed.

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The Elite are clearly still butthurt about Punk and don't want to work a program with him because they have no direct financial incentive to do so. Even if it's "best for business", the only person who could make any actual money from this is Tony Khan. Such is the drawback with giving people guaranteed deals in an industry filled with bruised egos.

And before anyone says "well that's easy then, tell them if they don't do it they're fired for insubordination"...yeah that sounds easy from afar but it's almost certainly way more complicated. Much like how people said Punk could hold "hostile work environment" over Khan's head, The Elite would just do the same thing. "How can you say we're fired for cause because we didn't want to work with someone who assaulted us?"

Very easy to see how this could turn into yet another legal quagmire. And so that's why Khan is pretty much over a barrel here. He did this to himself.
The Elite don’t care about AEW’s growth. It’s a vanity project for them. They’d rather get 850k viewers with it being “their show” than it get double that with them in a minimalized role. This is what the drama between them and Punk is really about. Punk proved you can do over 1 million on a Friday night and was petitioning for an improved product that clashed with the philosophy of The Elite.
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