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Old 10-30-2014, 08:58 AM   #281
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Let's not forget the ethics Ruien, don't lose track of the main point!!!
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Old 10-30-2014, 09:02 AM   #282
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I sincerely hope you say that in jest. He made a parody of the entire movement on both sides

Then again, after reading your other multiple replies as well as actually believing Anonymous gives two shits, I can tell you are very serious.
True enough, at the end of the day, I'm just a fucking gamer who loves playing games despite the stupid journalism reviews that have the I.Q. logic of McIntosh, Sarkessian, Brianna Wu and the rest of the stupid Anti-GamerGate shitheads.

And even if they wanna wail, whine, moan and complain all they want of how they enjoy games that are considered anti-SJW feminism, sexism or whatever, NOTHING will keep us down..

As Capt. Kirrahe from Mass effect would say, "WE WILL HOLD THE LINE!!"
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Old 10-30-2014, 09:03 AM   #283
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I can just see how this goes down. Lady A, "If I fuck you you have to write a serious businesses review for me game" and Guy A "Hell ya, a game review for you on my cock is worth it but since this is a game review and it's serious business you need to swallow" and then Lady A "Done deal."

2 months lady Nerd A"What the fuck! This game had a awesome review but it is complete shit!" And Nerd B "I am going to murder you Lady A for using your pussy to get you money!" With Nerd C "Let's not forget about the ethics here."
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I can just see how this goes down. Lady A, "If I fuck you you have to write a serious businesses review for me game" and Guy A "Hell ya, a game review for you on my cock is worth it but since this is a game review and it's serious business you need to swallow" and then Lady A "Done deal."

2 months lady Nerd A"What the fuck! This game had a awesome review but it is complete shit!" And Nerd B "I am going to murder you Lady A for using your pussy to get you money!" With Nerd C "Let's not forget about the ethics here."
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Old 10-30-2014, 09:07 AM   #286
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who needs game reviews when everything has a beta/alpha/supersmash invite system in place?

We need to think about all the starving people on the streets, come on people
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Old 10-30-2014, 09:10 AM   #287
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who needs game reviews when everything has a beta/alpha/supersmash invite system in place?

We need to think about all the starving people on the streets, come on people
Yes, thank you.. There are bigger issues than just being harrassed online and whatnot. It's not armageddon of the genders.
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Old 10-30-2014, 09:11 AM   #288
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True enough, at the end of the day, I'm just a fucking gamer who loves playing games despite the stupid journalism reviews that have the I.Q. logic of McIntosh, Sarkessian, Brianna Wu and the rest of the stupid Anti-GamerGate shitheads.

And even if they wanna wail, whine, moan and complain all they want of how they enjoy games that are considered anti-SJW feminism, sexism or whatever, NOTHING will keep us down..

As Capt. Kirrahe from Mass effect would say, "WE WILL HOLD THE LINE!!"
I enjoy all games as well. Finished my first game at 4 years old (NES - Trojan). Still, the industry has grown to such a level that issues like this DO exist and at some point WILL be addressed.

The real shitter here is the way you and others react make the gaming community look like shitheads. They can all have their opinion, as their issues are actual issues. However, I chose to read the content and move along. People reacting in trollish ways will not get either side anything, nothing at all.

If you truly want to make a difference, as you say you are passionate, stop being such a child about things and actually build a debate/argument to counter the valid points that are being raised. That is what will help gain traction, not "SHUT HER THE FUCK UP WITH DUCT TAPE".
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Old 10-30-2014, 09:26 AM   #289
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I still kinda just view this whole mess in the same light as the type of people who bitch about Fox News (or CNN, or whatever) being terrible then making no effort to find better alternative news sources to get proper coverage. If Polygon or Kotaku or IGN or whatever are so bad, why continue to patronize their sites and give them hits? Why not find a blogger who is similar-minded to you and read their reviews?

For example, I don't necessarily agree with a lot of his rationale but I really enjoy reading Tom Chick's reviews of games. He gets a lot of flak because MetaCritic includes his scores (which are on a subjective 5-star system) into their aggregate, but I find his reviews perfectly lay out his thoughts and feelings on the games. For example, he gave The Last of Us 3 out of 5 stars, citing its awful gameplay but praising the storytelling and character elements of the game. I loved TLoU but totally understand his viewpoint and can respect his opinion. Yet, people see a "60%" score and lose their goddamn minds because NUMBERS!!!!! without reading the review. It's no different from all the stupid fanboys on IGN who go apeshit if the PS3 version of a game gets 8.4 while the 360 version gets an 8.5. At the end of the day it's a goddamn stupid number, when in essence the two reviews are probably almost identical.

This kind of thing happens all the time. I'm guilty of it too kinda. If I'm looking at a list of reviews for a game that is universally getting 8.5/10 or 9/10 ratings and there's an outlier that shows 5/10 or 6/10, obviously you're more drawn to that review. A lot of times it's just crappy clickbait from some hack, but I tend to read those reviews more thoroughly than one that rates a game 9/10 and includes a few bullet points of things they liked about the game when it's clear they only put maybe 8 hours into it.

As per usual I'm going way off on tangents BUTTTTTTT my overall message is it should be on smarter consumers to interpret the information and opinions that are presented to them. I still can't wrap my brain around how someone is so personally slighted or affronted by a game being favorably reviewed unjustly by sites that "they" (the supposed "TRUE GAMERS") obviously hold very little regard for. It's like getting pissed off that a shitty movie won the Best Picture Oscar then making a shitload of tweets stating how much you think the Oscars are bullshit. Why does it bother you so much? Fucking hipsters.

I get the larger implications and slippery slope effect of being apathetic towards the "larger" review sites, but going on some crusade for journalistic integrity seems awfully misguided when the best ammunition these clowns have is harassing those who they don't agree with.

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Old 10-30-2014, 09:27 AM   #290
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I always knew video games and video game reviews were serious business.
Video game reviews are super serious business. I remember a few years ago when one of those Sonic games got a 5.5/10 by some reviewer. I'm sure it was a female reviewer too. Like she would know anything about video games. Go review kitchen appliances or cleaning products lady. That game was clearly 6.1/10. Silly bitch!
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Old 10-30-2014, 09:29 AM   #291
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Quite the perfect parallel, really (Re: RDD)
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Video game reviews are super serious business. I remember a few years ago when one of those Sonic games got a 5.5/10 by some reviewer. I'm sure it was a female reviewer too. Like she would know anything about video games. Go review kitchen appliances or cleaning products lady. That game was clearly 6.1/10. Silly bitch!
Clearly wasn't a USA#1 Citizen either.
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Old 10-30-2014, 09:32 AM   #293
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I still kinda just view this whole mess in the same light as the type of people who bitch about Fox News (or CNN, or whatever) being terrible then making no effort to find better alternative news sources to get proper coverage. If Polygon or Kotaku or IGN or whatever are so bad, why continue to patronize their sites and give them hits? Why not find a blogger who is similar-minded to you and read their reviews?

For example, I don't necessarily agree with a lot of his rationale but I really enjoy reading Tom Chick's reviews of games. He gets a lot of flak because MetaCritic includes his scores (which are on a subjective 5-star system) into their aggregate, but I find his reviews perfectly lay out his thoughts and feelings on the games. For example, he gave The Last of Us 3 out of 5 stars, citing its awful gameplay but praising the storytelling and character elements of the game. I loved TLoU but totally understand his viewpoint and can respect his opinion. Yet, people see a "60%" score and lose their goddamn minds because NUMBERS!!!!! without reading the review. It's no different from all the stupid fanboys on IGN who go apeshit if the PS3 version of a game gets 8.4 while the 360 version gets an 8.5. At the end of the day it's a goddamn stupid number, when in essence the two reviews are probably almost identical.

This kind of thing happens all the time. I'm guilty of it too kinda. If I'm looking at a list of reviews for a game that is universally getting 8.5/10 or 9/10 ratings and there's an outlier that shows 5/10 or 6/10, obviously you're more drawn to that review. A lot of times it's just crappy clickbait from some hack, but I tend to read those reviews more thoroughly than one that rates a game 9/10 and includes a few bullet points of things they liked about the game when it's clear they only put maybe 8 hours into it.

As per usual I'm going way off on tangents BUTTTTTTT my overall message is it should be on smarter consumers to interpret the information and opinions that are presented to them. I still can't wrap my brain around how someone is so personally slighted or affronted by a game being favorably reviewed unjustly by sites that "they" (the supposed "TRUE GAMERS") obviously hold very little regard for. It's like getting pissed off that a shitty movie won the Best Picture Oscar then making a shitload of tweets stating how much you think the Oscars are bullshit. Why does it bother you so much? Fucking hipsters.

I get the larger implications and slippery slope effect of being apathetic towards the "larger" review sites, but going on some crusade for journalistic integrity seems awfully misguided when the best ammunition these clowns have is harassing those who they don't agree with.

whatever I need another damn coffee
I give this post an 8.4. Now if you were to post this at rajah it would only be an 8.1
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Clearly wasn't a USA#1 Citizen either.
Yeah, I think she was from the country called Europe. Whatever she's not USA#1 so who cares.
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Ryan Clark gave it an 8.6 you fucking misogynist
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Basically, if you're born with a penis, you already have an invisible toxic masculinity inside you.. So, yeah, it's like Anita's shaming men for being masculine in their behavior.

The solution then is you just either cut off your dick and change sex or you might as well be born with a vagina insread...
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I give this post an 8.4. Now if you were to post this at rajah it would only be an 8.1
Rajah has no idea that this is serious business!
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ECG, I hate that you are in this thread in this forum. Seems so odd. God, I hate it. Have you ever been in the video game forum before? This is so weird. What the fuck. I'm getting the hell out of here.
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I don't really disagree with most of what you are saying. I just hate that you're here. It is throwing off the balance of the forum. Like, it's stressing me out.
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What are you on about? Have you ever posted in this forum before?
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Yeah, when was the last time either of you discussed Street Fighter 4 frame data with me and Kalyx?

Also, Raven Reaper approaching Damninator levels of meme/youtube posting in this thread.
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Old 10-30-2014, 02:10 PM   #303
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Let's just drop this thing altogether, men don't let women taint over our video games. Let's turn our heels and go play video games away from all the bs.

Champions, how did blowing a cartridge evolve into letting women have a say in gaming and get threatened for it?

I urge you Champions to go home to your families and hug them tight, if you are not with a family then call an old tag partner up and tell him/her that you love them.
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I don't know. It just seems wrong for you to be here. Feel like the universe is crumbling,
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EGC's totally boss with Dictator.

Not at all cool with Anon getting into this. The fucking last thing we need are vigilantes. Everything we unearthed was done with basic searching and following paper and social trails. Everything was legal. I can't imagine how Anon can help.
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Were you there Kalyx. Did you sign the Constitution of Gamergate. Because if not will you stop the we shite.

Oh guess what, anonymous was already gamergate. Even if they weren't, they're indistinguishable. Sorry, "you're" indistinguishable.
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EGC's totally boss with Dictator.

Not at all cool with Anon getting into this. The fucking last thing we need are vigilantes. Everything we unearthed was done with basic searching and following paper and social trails. Everything was legal. I can't imagine how Anon can help.
Anon has zero legit interest in this scenario. Please don't believe stupid links from stupid posts.

The "movement" was already infected with vigilantes anyway, if what most pro-GG people say in relation to the doxxing and other poo flinging.
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Oh guess what, anonymous was already gamergate. Even if they weren't, they're indistinguishable. Sorry, "you're" indistinguishable.
Truth.
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Anon has zero legit interest in this scenario. Please don't believe stupid links from stupid posts.

The "movement" was already infected with vigilantes anyway, if what most pro-GG people say in relation to the doxxing and other poo flinging.
Yeah, that ship long ago sailed. That'd be like a lobbyist being against money in politics.
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The "movement" was already infected with vigilantes anyway, if what most pro-GG people say in relation to the doxxing and other poo flinging.
After watching the vid, their stance is interesting.
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Old 10-30-2014, 03:47 PM   #311
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It isn't the stance I was trying to point out to you.

Do you truly believe an organization such as Anonymous would bother with something so small-scale? /rhetorical
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They looked into it, so I would say they bothered.
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Silly ninny....

The person that made the video looked into it. All info discussed is public info and easily attainable. Seriously, they couldn't care less.
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The person that made the video looked into it. All info discussed is public info and easily attainable. Seriously, they couldn't care less.
I thought Anon speaks amongst themselves before releasing such videos, but if you're certain it was just that one guy I suppose I can't disclaim that.

It's interesting that you equate them caring with doing something other than looking up public info. I would say that's them giving a damn.

Curious; what do you think would be the actions of them bothering with the issue?
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If they were to ever become involved, public info (or info already known to this point) wouldn't even be worth their time.

Sites would be shut down(for starters), at their direction/discretion. I doubt they would "doxx" anyone in this instance, as it is such a petty issue and doesn't involve governments/oppressive regimes actually harming anyone. Where they would move beyond that is questionable simply due to the silly nature of this entire event.

They are not small scale individuals.
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I think this explains why journalism ethics didn't quite fit the bill for her..
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I don't see how shutting down a site would be a good call for the movement. I don't think shutting down a site is their go to move, I've mostly seen that they subvert attempts to hide information. I would call that their 'signature move'.

TotalBiscuits interview with Stephen Totilo was very good and confirmed a lot of my views on him as an editor and person. It also helped me consider a lot of my views (as this thread as).

If anything this movement really galvanized my own beef with the game industry and many times either here or other places did people seem more receptive to my own issues than GG's issues (an SJW gamer also agreed with my concerns that weren't lockstep with GG).

Not sure where to go with that as these are things people pointed out for years and were dismissed - only to now be the 'real issues' GG should be focused on. Kinda heart warming, actually.
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I think this explains why journalism ethics didn't quite fit the bill for her..
I've long given up on bringing this point up with people. White Knights will have none of it. Feminists don't care. Doesn't exist as far as media is concerned.

I'm at a place where this information is something to levied against her at some other time, not as a GamerGate thing.
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I've long given up on bringing this point up with people. White Knights will have none of it. Feminists don't care. Doesn't exist as far as media is concerned.

I'm at a place where this information is something to levied against her at some other time, not as a GamerGate thing.
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I think this explains why journalism ethics didn't quite fit the bill for her..
You're not a real gamer.

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