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Old 09-24-2022, 08:55 PM   #11481
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Paige wasn’t very good guys.
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Old 09-24-2022, 08:58 PM   #11482
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This signing is about:

* Snatching someone from WWE.

* The politics of signing a female star and someone with connections to a Rock movie.

* TK living out some fantasies.

There is no plan.
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Old 09-24-2022, 10:11 PM   #11483
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Paige wasn’t very good guys.
She was hyped because she was better than most of the shitty divas at the time, but she doesn't hold a candle to what the division would become.
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Old 09-24-2022, 11:19 PM   #11484
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She was hyped because she was better than most of the shitty divas at the time, but she doesn't hold a candle to what the division would become.
True. She was presented very well in NXT. She got exposed on the main roster and lost a lot of that carefully managed appeal.
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Old 09-25-2022, 12:29 AM   #11485
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Paige was amazing, pale skin, black hair, played up down, up down with Xavier Woods.
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Old 09-25-2022, 12:31 AM   #11486
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But totally agree, Paige was well ahead of the division at the time but was years behind Banks, Lynch and Bayley.
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Old 09-25-2022, 12:35 AM   #11487
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I was heaps into her around 2013/2014, don’t get me wrong.

I think Tony was too. I’m very interested to see how this goes.
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Old 09-25-2022, 09:13 AM   #11488
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I liked Paige's Cradle DDT finisher
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Old 09-25-2022, 11:14 AM   #11489
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According to her win-loss record she is yet to see trios action. I beg to differ.
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Old 09-25-2022, 11:41 AM   #11490
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What the fuck are some of those numbers? Does career include matches before they joined aew? Cause no way has Tay wrestled 71 matches since joining aew. But at the same time, Serena probaly has hundreds of matches under her belt
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Old 09-25-2022, 11:44 AM   #11491
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Easy to boost up numbers when you have a bunch of YouTube shows that no one actually watches/cares about.
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Old 09-25-2022, 11:52 AM   #11492
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Yeah, looks like she’s been there over 2 years. Dark matches included, 71 seems about right. Means there’s about 40 tapings where she didn’t wrestle.
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Old 09-25-2022, 02:24 PM   #11493
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Buddy Matthews interaction with Muta is believed to have been his last appearance for the company and he is now gone as well.
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Old 09-25-2022, 02:25 PM   #11494
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Old 09-25-2022, 02:26 PM   #11495
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Old 09-25-2022, 02:28 PM   #11496
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It’s funny to see some fans go from “Buddy Matthews is so good in the ring and was terribly misused in WWE” to “no big loss, he isn’t anything special anyway.”
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Old 09-25-2022, 04:05 PM   #11497
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Matthews was hardly on TV, in ring or otherwise. It’s not a bad thing that Tony starts trimming down the roster. A lot. Too many people, not enough hours of TV.
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How long was Page actually avenue on the roster with Sasha, Bailey, Charlotte and Becky? She injured her neck in 2016 and she was finished the following year after surgery. Her return lasted like two months.

Idk how much they worked together in nxt, admittedly. I do know Paige had the fucking total divas cast to work with for the majority of her run, and I’m not going to judge her in ring abilities against that class of ring talent.
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Old 09-25-2022, 04:13 PM   #11499
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Also, just because AEW isn't the happy enchanted mystical magical land, doesn't mean that it isn't good for the wrestling industry or firmly entrenched.
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How long was Page actually avenue on the roster with Sasha, Bailey, Charlotte and Becky? She injured her neck in 2016 and she was finished the following year after surgery. Her return lasted like two months.

Idk how much they worked together in nxt, admittedly. I do know Paige had the fucking total divas cast to work with for the majority of her run, and I’m not going to judge her in ring abilities against that class of ring talent.
Feel like Paige left NXT just before the women's division really "heated up" with the "4 Horsewomen" and then was only on the active main roster with them for a handful of months.

As mentioned, I really enjoyed her feud with AJ Lee, though....
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That I disagree with. I mean, not being sunshine and lollipops doesn’t disqualify it from being beneficial to the industry, you’re right there. I do not believe AEW is a net good for anything other than the bank accounts of some talent. It’s drying up wrestling, making it worse and the people getting paid will be right to move on.

A lot of guys are going to be comfortable saying “Fuck you, I don’t need this job” because TK pays them enough to have a small fortune after 1 or 2 years of work.
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Feel like Paige left NXT just before the women's division really "heated up" with the "4 Horsewomen" and then was only on the active main roster with them for a handful of months.

As mentioned, I really enjoyed her feud with AJ Lee, though....
The Submission Sorority and Paige making fun of Reid’s death immediately come to mind. Paige mingled with the Four Horsewomen lots. It just sucked. Because Paige isn’t very good.
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A true alternative would be good for wrestling. A place that provides the living for guys while also creating good content that can hook more people into wrestling. I’m down with that. Not AEW. There’s a lot of harm it’s doing.
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Man, I get TK has got to be careful to tread lightly with all the legal technicalities, but I selfishly want this hammer to drop on the whole Punk/Elite situation.
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Thats a shame, Buddy is excellent in ring and even with Malakai gone I was excited to see him and King as a tag team a bit more often. They could be an excellent choice long term to dethrone the acclaimed then have a series with FTR.

AEW has the talent that its not a game changer given the amount of screen time he was getting anyway but its a shame none the less.

Im curious where this leaves King, hes an awesome talent but I'm. just not sure where he fits in on his own with everything else going on in AEW. He seems talented enough on the mic to keep things going alone if they went that way and he could work with Julia. He and Miro would be an excellent hoss fight if they hadnt just semi done that.
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I am assuming that Buddy and Malakai go back to WWE.
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I think they’ll want to. Both their significant others are there. Someone from Meltzer’s forums has said that people with partners there want to get back. A bit of a veiled hint that Andrade might be looking for a way out too.
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Buddy's seemingly clapped back at the rumors that he's leaving, despite him telling the crowd at an indy show that he'll be going away for a while.

Kinda funny when guys get mad at rumors they're partially responsible for starting.
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Buddy's seemingly clapped back at the rumors that he's leaving, despite him telling the crowd at an indy show that he'll be going away for a while.

Kinda funny when guys get mad at rumors they're partially responsible for starting.
Every fucking wrestler these days. Malakai Tommy End Alistair Black had the same sort of moan.
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It felt inevitable as AEW did nothing but add and add to their roster that it was only a matter of time before some talent realized it wasn’t exactly the greener pasture they thought it would be coming in. Both because the roster is extremely crowded and only getting bigger, and also because Tony Khan seems to be poor in the area of course-correcting when something goes wrong. Booking through Malakai's physical issues was one thing, but then Rey Fenix gets hurt and he basically puts the entire angle on the backburner with vignettes for months on end because he wanted the big Trios match blowoff, rather than just trying to wrap it up with the talents available and then move everyone into fresh programs.

At the end of the day, talents might be getting paid fair market value but that doesn’t mean they’ll all be happy getting stuck in catering just as often as they were at their former employer.
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What Tony is doing with Miro is bordering on criminal.
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Despite not utilizing them the way they should've, it still doesn't strike me as that bad of a look for AEW that guys who had great working relationships with Triple H want to go back and work there again now that he's in charge. There's at least some evidence that it's not the same stifling creative environment it was when they left.

The worse sign for AEW will be if and when they start losing their talent that didn't come from WWE.

MJF is obviously the biggest one, he'll be openly talking about leaving for WWE to get heel heat over the next year, and the company will then look kinda dumb if he actually walks out the door and goes right to the place he said he would for ages.

Popular acts like Ricky Starks and Jungle Boy would be in that category too though. Those are guys who can and should be mainstay big players with AEW if they play their cards correctly, losing them would be a big fail.
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What Tony is doing with Miro is bordering on criminal.
It's really baffling. Yes he did have an injury at some point and yes he took some time to film a TV show. But he's admitted in interviews that the biggest reason for his absence was Tony just waiting for there to be an opening in his plans to work him back in.

Miro isn't an act you keep waiting around. Plans shouldn't be so rigid that there's no way to get a talent of his level back onto TV. If he's not in the current plans, you find a way to insert him. It's not that hard.
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Old 09-26-2022, 01:11 PM   #11514
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Tony Khan is a horrible booker. The place is rife with politics and has been a mess since the start. The first tip-off was when PAC vs. Page was pulled from Double or Nothing (a match I was quite looking forward to) because they had no clue how to book around PAC needing to win. And so many people bent over backwards trying to defend them for it.

I don’t think TK understands that wrestlers are human beings and not action figures or digital avatars on EWR or whatever. Not everybody is going to be happy getting paid a truckload of money to sit in catering or take bumps with no meaning behind them.
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I’d be surprised if Ricky Starks stays with the company. He’s come out and said the politics there are bullshit and that he still leans on Cody for advice. I’m pretty sure he’ll be WWE-bound whenever he can get out. Jungle Boy? Eh. He seems like someone that would be happy to get paid a lot of money to waste his potential and just hang out with his girlfriend. If Anna Jay wants to be more famous and go to the WWE, that could influence him though.
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I don’t know how someone can be upset that Rusev was wasted in WWE and then defend his use in AEW (I’m not saying anyone here is). It’s just objectively bad.
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Remember when Jericho (and Cody too, I believe) was like “We only want 4 or 5 guys from WWE.” What a crock…
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I think Sting might remain the only guy that has made the jump from WWE to AEW and been used better. His AEW is still far from the highlight of his career though.

Is there anyone else? Maybe Toni Storm?
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Can you even really pick Toni though considering she left like, what, a couple weeks after coming up to the main roster? There was no time to do anything with her.
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nvm I guess she "came up" and had a match and then disappeared for awhile
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