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Old 09-21-2019, 06:27 PM   #52161
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Old 09-21-2019, 07:02 PM   #52162
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According to Deadspin and Voices of Wrestling, Impact has been in serious breach of the terms of the contracts for all of their talent to the point the entire roster could legally walk out of their deals if they chose to.

Apparently the company has not been paying talent money owed from merch sales, which is guaranteed in their contracts, for the past year and part of the reason is due to them not wanting anyone to find out how dire merch sales have been for a while. They also don't want the situation where if they grant Kross' release due to these issues, they would have to grant the same to everyone else who ask since it would confirm the contracts are legally voided.
I hope everyone walks out and the good talent goes to NXT.
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Old 09-21-2019, 07:59 PM   #52163
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Old 09-21-2019, 08:11 PM   #52164
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Old 09-21-2019, 08:47 PM   #52165
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Old 09-21-2019, 11:56 PM   #52166
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To preface, I really like AEW but I am getting the impression that the inmates who are complete marks for themselves run the asylum there.

I appreciate the in-ring talent, but every wrestler shouldn’t be booked to be in a 20+ minute match with 5-6 near falls. It’s ok to have tiers fellas.

I’m glad that AEW has already had some positive impact on WWE (better pay for wrestlers, NXT show), but I’m getting the feeling that the marks in charge of AEW would rather continue their indy-ness rather than make mandatory changes to appeal to a mass audience and make a huge difference in professional wrestling.

With that being said, I wish them the best because I love Moxley, Jericho, and MJF.
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Old 09-21-2019, 11:56 PM   #52167
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Old 09-21-2019, 11:58 PM   #52168
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Old 09-22-2019, 01:14 AM   #52169
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Old 09-22-2019, 07:43 AM   #52170
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Old 09-22-2019, 07:50 AM   #52171
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Old 09-22-2019, 08:20 AM   #52172
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When did Brian Hebner leave WWE?
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Old 09-22-2019, 08:24 AM   #52173
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Rollins is in the same weight class as Guerrero. It’s amusing that the previous cruiserweight weight limit was 220 lbs
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Old 09-22-2019, 08:45 AM   #52174
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Old 09-22-2019, 08:47 AM   #52175
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Old 09-22-2019, 11:54 AM   #52176
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I remember when Chris Jericho won the WCW cruiserweight championship from Rey Mysterio Jr. Just imaging Jericho as a cruiser now is so weird.
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Old 09-22-2019, 02:01 PM   #52177
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Old 09-22-2019, 02:24 PM   #52178
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Old 09-22-2019, 02:36 PM   #52179
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I liked it better when Melina did it. And I'm not even the biggest fan of hers.

You know, UE could use someone of the uteral persuasion in their fold. Maybe "Evil Io". She can complete the clean sweep of titles for the group.

I said TITLES...
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I don't disagree with that at all, but what is he arguing? For reform?
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Old 09-23-2019, 01:27 AM   #52185
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To preface, I really like AEW but I am getting the impression that the inmates who are complete marks for themselves run the asylum there.

I appreciate the in-ring talent, but every wrestler shouldnít be booked to be in a 20+ minute match with 5-6 near falls. Itís ok to have tiers fellas.

Iím glad that AEW has already had some positive impact on WWE (better pay for wrestlers, NXT show), but Iím getting the feeling that the marks in charge of AEW would rather continue their indy-ness rather than make mandatory changes to appeal to a mass audience and make a huge difference in professional wrestling.

With that being said, I wish them the best because I love Moxley, Jericho, and MJF.
This is where I am 100%. It gets exhausting to watch shows where everyone gets their shit in. One thing I loved about NXT was that Cameron Grimes beat Sean Maluta with a single move. That was so fucking refreshing.

AEW also seem to be hiring a lot of their friends. It's like when Hogan went to WCW and you started to see Duggan, Beefcake and Honky Tonk show up. Or when Hogan and Bischoff went to TNA. The big difference is that at least Hogan is a star.
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I don't disagree with that at all, but what is he arguing? For reform?
I only disagree with it because he kinda sidestepped the questions by bombarding everyone with low-hanging fruit.

Kinda funny that Kenny King is championing the business, but how is the question "why is rey rey being disrespected?" answered with "because some indyriffic chick pulled a tampon out her twat"? How is the [attempted] question "why is wrestling not disrespected in other places around the world" being rebutted with the Joey Ryan dick flip... which originated in Japan, and the media there still treats it as a legit thing? And throwing New Day in with that jizz really seemed like a cheap way to get a larger bout of attention/heat to trend on twitter, especially with the "not cool for adults" which is kind of the point of ND as a whole; fitting that role of kid-centric attention getters. I'm really surprised he didn't go for something about two unknowns beating eachother with light tubes or some backyarder who went viral. If this rationale were followed back in the day during the height of the Monday Night Wars, he'd point out the match between Beulah and Fonzie in ECW to explain why someone may have scoffed at The Rock or Sting. If he wasn't trying to be a heel here, he sure is a natural at it.

Please absorb my comments before responding, because I am in no means defending Joey Ryan, nor do I disagree there is ridiculous shit and will be the first to admit I usually fall on the Cornette side of things when it comes to presentation. And again, it's kinda funny that Kenny King is bringing up a valid point about a legend being disrespected. That's almost like if New Jack would tweet telling people to calm down and not doing anything rash or violent in the moment and that cooler heads will prevail.

TL;DR What I'm saying is the answer to why was Brawn being shit on by Keith Olbermann is not Joey Ryan's penis, and Brad's answer being such made it seem like an irrational mad-on. Like he and Vince had a one-night stand, and didn't call him back after, so now all wrestling is "a carny industry".
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Old 09-23-2019, 05:35 AM   #52187
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I find it very unlikely that people shitting on a WWE wrestler promoting a show during a baseball game would know about any of those things in the first place.
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Old 09-23-2019, 07:48 AM   #52188
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the point he was making was that wrestling is lame and comes across as lame 99 percent of the time.
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Old 09-23-2019, 09:30 AM   #52189
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I don’t think there is anything wrestling can do to be seen as “cool” to non-fans ever again, even if it went full bore in trying to market itself as a legitimate sport and was devoid of comedy or any of that. The industry is too far gone in the eyes of the mainstream.
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Old 09-23-2019, 09:37 AM   #52190
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That’s why I personally just don’t really get people getting up on their soapbox complaining about “THIS PROMOTION/WRESTLER/ANGLE IS KILLING THE WRESTLING BUSINESS!”

It’s never going to be mainstream again. It will always remain a niche market. Fortunately there’s still plenty of variety out there so watch what you enjoy and quit being a curmudgeon.
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Old 09-23-2019, 09:45 AM   #52192
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Who has ever watched wrestling because it was cool? It wasn't even cool in the 90s.
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I don’t think there is anything wrestling can do to be seen as “cool” to non-fans ever again, even if it went full bore in trying to market itself as a legitimate sport and was devoid of comedy or any of that. The industry is too far gone in the eyes of the mainstream.
I mean nothing is impossible. I'm sure JCP in the 80s had its fair share of shlock (I'm not super well-versed with the promotion), but the shit I have seen felt gritty and kind of cool.

Even ECW, despite being fucking trash t.v., had that rock and roll vibe about it.

The problem is, WWE monopolized wrestling. And honestly, it's fine that WWE is the circus if there are other viable options. But, instead, it has influenced literally every promotion in North America -- even if they think they're anti-WWE, it's a bunch of self-impressed Indy geeks who are so focused on being anti-wwe that it ruins everything. Treating wrestling as a sport is a wonderful idea, but doing so in a way where everyone is like WAY TOO INTENSE is over the top and dumb.

And to delve deeper, WWE can't help but make everything decidedly uncool. We talk about it all the time, but once anything seems cool, they'll sink their stink-claws into it and ruin it. You have this 70-plus-year-old owner and his inner circle of people who NEVER had their finger on the pulse of anything mainstream who drive the creative (actually I'll give them the rock and wrestling connection). Plus, the insistence on wrestlers utilizing branded language makes it so much worse. Watching wrestlers in interviews calling fans "The WWE Universe" and referring to themselves as "WWE superstars" on a pop-culture-based show like Hot Ones is one way to ensure nobody takes you seriously.

Then, with something like AEW, that demo is literally the anti-pussy. It's unfortunate because IMO Cody Rhodes oozes suaveness. And if the Bucks removed their heads from their asses and stopped catering to smart marks they could have something. But, I digress... just look at those AEW crowds. Christ. I would not want to go to one of those shows based on how bad it seems like it'd smell.


So, I'll agree that it's HIGHLY unlikely wrestling can dig itself out of this whole. However, if someone got involved who was an honest-to-goodness great writer/creative mind who didn't have an affinity for putting forth embarrassing fucking trash, I'd like to see what happened. This hypothetical person would also need to be unimpeded by morons and have a thorough understanding of pop culture.
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Old 09-23-2019, 11:29 AM   #52194
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I donít think there is anything wrestling can do to be seen as ďcoolĒ to non-fans ever again, even if it went full bore in trying to market itself as a legitimate sport and was devoid of comedy or any of that. The industry is too far gone in the eyes of the mainstream.
Exactly, this stuff is not the reason why the mainstream dont think wrestling is cool. This is stuff that a large portion of wrestling fans think is not cool. The stuff the IWC deem as cool is equally as lame in their eyes.
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Old 09-23-2019, 11:54 AM   #52195
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The stuff the IWC deem as cool is equally as lame in their eyes.
There's certain wrestling shit that mainstream people love. The first two names that spring to mind are Ric Flair and Randy Savage. Especially their 80s stuff.

Savage because of how psychedelic he was and Flair because he was a rockstar.


I don't necessarily disagree with you at all. But it's not like no wrestling things appeal to the mainstream. Yeah, a 6-star classic between kenny omega and mike quakenbush won't do the trick... but there's certain elements of pro wrestling that do appeal to the masses.

Also, mainstream folks seem to get a kick out of the Rock. I'd say Steve Austin too.
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Old 09-23-2019, 11:57 AM   #52196
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I guess it's more the personalities themselves that appeal to the mainstream. Of which there are absolutely none anymore. Whether it's presented as a sport or as a WWE circus, it means fuck-all without those transcendent characters that speak to people of all walks of life.

Given the WWE is so brand-oriented, it's impossible to develop those kinds of personalities.
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That’s why I personally just don’t really get people getting up on their soapbox complaining about “THIS PROMOTION/WRESTLER/ANGLE IS KILLING THE WRESTLING BUSINESS!”
Cornette’s quote on the matter is something along the lines of “Just because wrestling has been killed it doesn’t make it cool to dig up the corpse and fuck it.”
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Wrestling being "uncool" is pretty much the fault of Vince and the top wrestling companies failing to adjust to the changing times and tastes of fans and the mainstream.

Vince in the sense he's the one person who has held the most power over the industry since the fall of WCW and once he no longer needed to worry about competition, he started to give less of a shit of what fans and the mainstream cared about.

Top wrestling companies in the sense of neither WWE nor Impact adjusted to the changing times post-AA. WWE started to cater a lot more towards Vince and the idea of wrestling as a brand and not as something full of creative and quality performers. Impact was stuck way too much in a late 90s mindset and kept having morons with too much control running the company.

Then you have stuff like ROH which helped contribute towards modern wrestling being more work-rate based but failed to capitalize on it because they couldn't grow as a company due to poor ownership. Also the immense damage MMA did towards making wrestling less cool in the mainstream when UFC had their boom in the mid-2000s.
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