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Old 10-17-2018, 03:17 AM   #201
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Old 10-17-2018, 03:45 AM   #202
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Why do wrestlers always take everything so seriously and personal? (#kayfabe)

Batista saying Triple H never beat him and Hunter getting all serious. Haha why do all wrestlers have the mental age of a six year-old? Ah well, I'm guessing that's setting up to Triple H vs. Batista at Wrestlemania, I mean, what else has Triple H got going at the moment...
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Old 10-17-2018, 06:51 AM   #203
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Why do wrestlers always take everything so seriously and personal? (#kayfabe)

Batista saying Triple H never beat him and Hunter getting all serious. Haha why do all wrestlers have the mental age of a six year-old? Ah well, I'm guessing that's setting up to Triple H vs. Batista at Wrestlemania, I mean, what else has Triple H got going at the moment...
But in the end, isn't that the true essence of the business: a perpetual (metaphorical) dick measuring contest?

"I'm better!" "Not better than me!" "Prove it!!!" "I'm telling mom!!!" ... well, maybe not that last part. Unless mom is the GM. I was just going with the "six year-old" thing you said.

I also felt like I should add the word "metaphorical" considering Batista is part of the subject, and I wasn't trying to reference that old joke, but someone would.
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Old 10-17-2018, 10:35 AM   #204
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Vince is really looking old these days, over the last 2 years it's become very obvious. Flair still looks ill with the weight he never regained back, suit is hanging off him.
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Old 10-17-2018, 04:30 PM   #206
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Did they really just use piped in Tony Chimmel for Edge's introduction lol

They couldn't fly Chimmel out for real?
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Lol he didnt, that was a voice over recording
He was actually there.

Edge even pointed at him as he entered the ring.
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Old 10-17-2018, 04:30 PM   #207
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We also see Tom Phillips in the video stand up and apparently yell at him?

I don't know what he's doing.
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Old 10-17-2018, 04:40 PM   #208
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So does Mysterio's win count for Mexico or towards the US' growing pile?
I would say that it counts towards the US as he was born in California. He's an American wrestler with Mexican heritage.

So we all know now that all entrants are from the US, even though the WWE had the chance to make the World Cup contain entrants from four different counties.

Instead, only one county is represents in the "World Cup" and that's 'Murica.
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Old 10-17-2018, 05:20 PM   #209
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Anyway, I quite enjoyed SmackDown and it was the first show in a long time where I watched from beginning to end.

All the matches were good ones and when there was no wrestling, the time was mostly used to forward on storylines, although we did get nostalgia moments but that's to be expected on WWE milestone shows.

The only "pointless" part was the opening when all the McMahon's were in the ring. It was entertaining to an extent but maybe a match could have went in it's place instead or a skit involving all the former SmackDown General Managers coming out trying to be the one to welcome everyone to the milestone show.

The Usos' win is great for them as still keeps them as "legit" as they defeated the WWE Champion and the Number One Contender for it. I'm pretty sure they'll be going on to work an angle with The Bar for the titles which I'm all for.

Evolution showing up on SmackDown seemed weird at first as they had absolutely nothing to do with the show during their run, but it all made sense by the end as I'm pretty sure we're going to be getting Batista/Triple H at Survivor Series at the earliest or WrestleMania at the latest.

It was good to see Batista though and you could tell his promo came straight from the heart. I actually wouldn't mind seeing Batista back but judging by the end of the promo, if we are getting Batista/Triple H, then it looks like Batista may be the face in the feud.

Face Batista is alright but Heel Batista is so much more better.

I'd settle for Tweener Batista. That might be interesting.

Miz/Rusev match was only really done to add another name to the "World Cup" and also forward on the Rusev/English feud.

Two birds with one stone and all that.

Speaking of "two birds with one stone", that was also why The Cutting Edge took place. We got some more nostalgia but it was also used as continuation in the Women's Title picture.

Part of me however feels that Edge should have reacted better to Becky's shot at his neck. I don't know how I feel about WWE Legends coming back and basically being portrayed as being weak and all that.

Edge during his peak was this absolute bastard who had a vicious streak in him. He even alluded to it in his promo but he returns and just looks sad when someone makes fun of his neck injury.

The Bar winning the titles is all good and as soon as Big Show came out I knew he was going to turn and do it by Chokeslamming Kofi through the table.

I don't think we'll see Big Show with The Bar from now on although we may see them together for the next week or so, but I think the real reason behind Big Show's turn was so we could get a Big Show vs New Day Three-On-One Handicap Match at some point down the line, probably at Survivor Series or something.

If it is at Survivor Series, it would probably be an elimination match. (That's me just hoping that it is as I do like elimination matches)

Another thing I would point out would be Lawler and Booker and Lawler just sitting there most of the time just looking completely confused. I get they were there for nostalgia and also as a reason to have another table at ringside (two birds with one stone again) but why not just let them call the entire match instead of just sitting there waiting for their cue to say an obviously fed line?

Mysterio is looking great these days and he's looking so much better than he did when he was over here just over a year and a half ago. I am curious as to what will happen with him after Crown Jewel, that's if that does go ahead.

A guess from me would probably be him chasing the US Title and then having a bit of a run with it. After that, a couple of feuds and then maybe a run as Tag Team Champion with a random partner.

In reality though, he'll probably not do anything.

Overall though I enjoyed the show and it was much better than the last milestone show. Much better.
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Old 10-17-2018, 07:48 PM   #210
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Why do wrestlers always take everything so seriously and personal? (#kayfabe)

Batista saying Triple H never beat him and Hunter getting all serious. Haha why do all wrestlers have the mental age of a six year-old? Ah well, I'm guessing that's setting up to Triple H vs. Batista at Wrestlemania, I mean, what else has Triple H got going at the moment...
Well, that's the point of wrestling, isn't it?

I was curious to see how the Batista/Triple H stuff played out, because I'm still trusting my theory that Triple H is going to be the Universal Champion come WrestleMania. But putting Batista in the ring with Triple H heading into SmackDown seemed to allude to that match Batista wants. I only saw highlights of the show, but something did stand out to me in this segment:

Batista going through and mentioning the number of World Titles they had all won. Now, Triple H could have just been doing a "let me hear this verbal blowjob" face when Batista called him the 14-time World Champion after Ric Flair, but when I heard the line I and saw Triple H's face I thought "That's it. That's his segue into going after the belt again." There was a sting to the comment. Like "you haven't won as many as Ric Flair" and Triple H got a minor case of boo-boo face.

I'm telling you -- if The Rock is coming back, Triple H is going to wrestle him in the main event for one of the World Titles (almost definitely the Universal). He is not appearing on The Rock's card if there is going to be a notable spike in business because of him. There were two points to this promo: 1. You haven't beaten me (Batista); 2. You've still got World Titles to win.

I'm not sure whether they make a deal with Batista and what have you, but if Batista does sign, I'm thinking they do Triple H vs. Batista before WrestleMania, likely at the Rumble. Triple H wins that because he's the King of Kings and that becomes his motivation to beat Roman Reigns and go against Royal Rumble Winner Rock. Batista will wrestle someone like AJ Styles, or Randy Orton, or Daniel Bryan or maybe even The Undertaker again at WrestleMania (with Batista winning).

I was half-expecting my Triple H/Rock theory to be blown out of the water by something more urgent between Triple H and Batista coming out of this show, but I came out of it thinking "he's placing his eggs in different baskets perfectly."
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Old 10-17-2018, 07:59 PM   #211
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As I just said, I only saw highlights, but here are my thoughts:

* Opening with R-Truth shows how much they trust him. I think this highlights many issues with the company.

* Good god is the dance break stuff awful. Random dancing is one of my pet peeves in all forms of entertainment. It's not funny to dance. Fuck off.

* Stupid Raw vs. SmackDown stuff no one cares about, completely blown off with "comedy" and "just having fun." Fuck you.

* I like Bryan's tights. Apparently they're the Seahawk colors? The action looked good. I don't like Bryan and Styles losing to anyone right now, but I guess the "real team" winning is good for them. Whatever. I kind of resent the cliched "partner hits the other dude" spot now because they do it so much (didn't it happen on Raw?). And no one really wants to boo either man. They did it about as well as anybody these days though.

* I gave my thoughts on the Evolution segment. I wasn't sure if they'd build to Batista/Triple H and if they did how that would fit into my expectations of Mania. It managed to do both.

* Fucking WWE still trying to make Becky a bad girl. Fuck you and fuck off.

* Good for Sheamus & Cesaro winning their 19th Tag Team Title. It's hard to care about Big Show being involved with them, but it's not offensive either. It's probably a safe spot for him. When Sheamus & Cesaro came over to SmackDown, I thought it would be great for them, because they could be "big fish" on that show given their singles pasts and they could do main event tags and the like. Nope. But now it makes sense to move them into a program against The New Day and eventually The Usos (who I expect to take the belts). That could be the WrestleMania match. The match came off as "really good."

* Rey Mysterio and Shinsuke Nakamura seemed like they had a good match too. I caught a glimpse of an "intro" for Nakamura. Do they always do that? Makes him feel like a big deal. Also, getting to the main event this show, as little as this show really was, shows that the company is not as cold on him as people say. I'm fairly certain Vince is a fan and my other WrestleMania "crazy" theory is that Nakamura is in the WWE Title match come that show. I think the US Title is just a way to keep him buoyant and build a resume while they wait to see if he signs a new contract so they can push him and it not be within the last year of his first cycle while his family adjusts to US life. As soon as that ink is dry you'll see him move back into the main event picture.
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This week managed to be the first time since December 2016 that Smackdown beat RAW in viewers. Also one of the biggest jumps in a long while for viewers for the Blue brand.

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SmackDown Live actually beat Raw this week, with Monday’s Raw drawing an average of 2,396,000 viewers. This isn’t the first time that’s happened, as the December 27, 2016 SmackDown also beat Raw that week, with 2,885,000 viewers compared to Raw’s 2,855,000.
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On Nakamura:

* People asked why Nakamura was sent to NXT. Although he had worked the United States before, it can be very hard for people from Japan to adjust to different cultures -- "Paris Syndrome." He was also presumably moving his family to a different culture, a different climate, different schools, different jobs, etc. He was also leaving his mother for the first time. It was going to be an "adjustment." I think they were taking care of him by letting him not travel.

* When he got called up, they protected him unusually well, in terms of win-loss record, until they put him up against the shitty Jinder Mahal.

* Giving him the Royal Rumble surprised me, somewhat, because I wasn't sure if they saw in him what New Japan fans did. Sure, they've also given it to Del Rio and Sheamus, but the Royal Rumble is more protected than the WWE Title. Nakamura winning it was a sign of good faith from the company.

* I can't remember exactly what changed my mind. Maybe it was just that Nakamura didn't feel "hot" heading into Mania, and the switch would have felt "forced," but I changed my prediction to AJ Styles last second. It just felt like fans wanted to see him keep going more than a change in direction at that point.

* In retrospect, it doesn't make sense to put the WWE Title on a Rumble Winner in a big babyface moment if, come WrestleMania the next year, he's headlining a Garden show with ROH and New Japan because his family hasn't adjusted well or whatever. It wouldn't even need to be a bad split. Nakamura might love it in the US and working for Vince, but his family might "want to move back to Springfield" and Homer needs to stop working for Hank Scorpio. That might be the first time anyone has compared Shinsuke Nakamura to Homer Simpson. I think now "Of course he was going to lose."

* What I've seen from Nakamura reminds me more of a Memphis heel than a New Japan strong style character. I don't mind that at all, and when you're also working to please Vince, I think it's smart. It's also probably better for the body.

* It seemed the plan has been to build AJ's stock, and I doubt Nakamura went into WrestleMania clueless about this, has embraced it, been a good soldier, and put AJ over strong. They seem to want AJ to break "SmackDown records" and be promoted as the core SmackDown guy. Nakamura played his part in that. And that's why I was fairly certain Joe was not getting the WWE Title. Not just cynicism, but also how would that make Nakamura feel if he was passed up and Joe just waltzes in and gets it? I'm fairly certain the only reason they didn't give Nak a sniff was because they really want to do this long thing with AJ.

* Now that Nakamura's contract is coming up in early 2019, if his family is comfortable, I can imagine Nakamura getting the belt as a "now we know you're with us for the haul and that you can handle the road and will play ball, we're going with you."

* Nakamura has said he wants to wrestle Bryan; Bryan has said he wants to wrestle Nakamura. You know what both have or will come up in the WrestleMania-to-WrestleMania year? Their contracts. I think WWE gives them "attaboys" for re-upping and they're the WWE Title match at Mania next year.

* You know what WWE also want? Guys like Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks to sign WWE contracts. They're not going to blow up their pay scale and they're not going to go insane pushing guys who make a name elsewhere, because it "rewards" that behavior. But they want them under the umbrella. By the time January 5 rolls around, I imagine it will be very clear to free agents about the rewards of what happens if you sign deals with WWE.
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Another reason I don't think Triple H vs. Batista is the Mania plan:

Batista has been rumored for the 2019 Hall of Fame. The rumored plans for the HOF usually turn out to be pretty accurate. I'm trying to remember a year when they were wrong. Goldberg seemed weird to me, because he did such a great job in 2016/2017, but then that turned out to be correct too.

I don't think people would start those rumors, because even though guys still do stuff afterwards (Ric Flair, Kurt Angle, Roddy Piper, Jimmy Snuka and Ricky Steamboat -- although a lot of that was actually the gimmick they were Hall of Famers), it seems like it would be a huge blow to someone if they started that rumor and the guy was actually coming back for a big run, because there's kind of that connotation of "you're mostly done." I'm not wrestler, but it seems like bad etiquette. I can imagine the only way that gets out is if someone in a reputable position has pitched the idea and it's been received well.

Anyway, when you think about headliners left, the only two guys are The Undertaker and Batista, really. They're not going to put The Rock in, because it dates him -- especially if he's coming back to kick ass and headline. Taker is a maybe because he's at the point where he's teased retirement, so it can kind of fuel him in this weird sort of way. Maybe Kane, but I don't know if they'd trust him to be a headliner. I imagine he goes in on a strong billing -- maybe even the same one as Taker, where he doesn't look disrespected but also isn't exactly depended on.

Batista makes sense. He's largely moved on, he's a star and can still be, but there's not that same sense of "leading man" about him where aging him damages his credibility. Now if he goes in, it would just be weird to have 2019 Hall of Famer Batista vs. same age guy, more championships, treated like a bigger legend Triple H wrestling him at Mania. Like, it's not impossible, but something about it just feels wonky. Why would Batista be in but not Triple H?

That's why I think if Triple H vs. Batista happens, it won't be at WrestleMania. It'll be a showcase on the way and Batista will put over Triple H to set him up for Rock. If he's down for that. If not, I can see Triple H's position on it being "I don't want to beat you, let's have your wins over me be part of your thing." Like they treat it as a real accolade to strengthen him. And Batista was never exactly a masterclass worker, so at this stage there's a good chance that Triple H doesn't even want the match, even if he is winning.
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If The Rock doesn't come back -- maybe he gets hurt training, there are schedule conflicts, or the rumors are just bullshit -- I can see Triple H working Batista. In that case, I can see the Hall of Fame thing being an subtle kayfabe "power play" by Triple H. Like, they won't make an angle out of the HOF, per se, but Batista will be put in, show up and make an announcement like "You really think I'm done? *boom*" and in his speech he'll talk about how he's accepting the Hall of Fame, but he's not going to let it psyche him out and he's got some big stuff left -- never say never, etc.
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Why the fuck didn't they use Kassius Ohno instead of Big Show?
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I doubt very much that Ohno will ever be called up. He seems to be more or less a gatekeeper in NXT for new guys they bring in and give big pushes to, and otherwise he's leaned on as a veteran resource for the younger talent.

All indications are that he's happy to do that, so it's whatever.
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Rey’s gear he wears now looks so much better than those baggy pleather pants he wore for so long.

I'm certain he wore those to hide the fact that his knees were fucked and he always had to wear braces, but they still looked like shit.
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Why the fuck didn't they use Kassius Ohno instead of Big Show?
Eh, I get what you're saying, but Big Show probably means a lot more to people than Ohno does, and it'd be an entirely different visual.
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I don't think Big Show really means anything at this point.
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I don't think Big Show really means anything at this point.
Not as a wrestler. I hope he plays more of a manager role going forward. They've gotten Big Show to do such ridiculous stuff over the years that he's actually a "versatile" performer. I think he can emphasize Cesaro and Sheamus nicely.
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