11-18-2018, 04:57 PM | #201 |
I am the cheese
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"Sanctity" as if thats even the issue
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11-18-2018, 07:57 PM | #202 |
I'm all there is
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Wasn't a big fan of that War Games match either. I'm not into the unrealistic spots. it reminded me of the TNA Lockdown stuff with guys doing crazy flips and whatever off the cage. it's a cool "OHHHHHHHHHHH" spot for the crowd, but it just doesn't make much sense to me
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11-18-2018, 11:45 PM | #203 |
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Just watched this show instead of watching Survivor Series since I missed it yesterday....
My thoughts: - From what I have seen on NXT and here, I hate everything about Matt Riddle with a passion and wish he would go away never to be seen again. - Shayna vs Kairi was probably their worst bout. It wasn't terrible, but it was way too short for a 2/3 falls match, and full of too much shenanigans. Plus I'm pretty sure Kairi had her shoulder up for the final pin, and the camera was right there to see it, and they showed it on the replay again. - Gargano vs. Black was a great match. I'm not sold on this idea of turning Gargano into a bad guy. I would like to see a "road to redemption" story with him as his wife or whoever makes him realize that Ciampa has got to his head and now he's just like him.... so Johnny tries to make amends and do better, and faces Ciampa and wins the title Wrestlemania weekend. - Velveteen Dream vs. Ciampa was also great. Really surprised at how Velveteen Dream, dude from Tough Enough, suddenly became so good. He has "it". Too bad he is stuck with a terrible terrible name and will go nowhere on the main roster as long as he has that name. Not that he would go anywhere even if he had a better name. - War Games was a fun match, but not as good as last year's. Not much else to say on this one. |
11-19-2018, 02:33 AM | #204 | |
I W C DEEZ NUTZ!
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On Dream: Patrick Clark has come a long, long way. There is nothing "sudden" about it. He used to suck charisma out of the arena, was just another random nobody, and his in-ring was nothing to write home about. This guy is one of those perfect storms of hard work and coming into a gimmick that clicks. Sadly, he has worked so hard for so long for a push that will likely never come... or would have come years ago when he was green as grass and twice as bland simply because Vince saw some new tall black guy he could push for about two months and see if it became an instant success. |
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Somewhere during the Finn Balor reign they lost me. Something there just became...blase. Like, I know the cycles now. Maybe I miss guys really reinventing themselves down there, or maybe you can just only be exposed to the same patterns for so long. But old-school wrestling used to keep people hooked, so I dunno. To me, Dakota Kai is just the new Bayley. And when she goes up to the main roster...she'll be the new Bayley. Johnny Gargano was doing Sami Zayn. Now he's heel Sami Zayn. It feels very revolving door to me. Some guys will go up, new guys will come in, and they will do the exact same stories. The "action" is well-executed on the Takeover shows I watch, but sometimes the psychology is really lacking (Gargano and Ciampa fucking sucked on this point). I'm a guy that's grown to really care about psychology, and as a result I find it hard to get excited for these shows. I'm not saying it sucked. I'm saying that even hearing about what happened, I just feel like...well, that's NXT for ya. And it's not from "guys who wish the Attitude era was still around." These people reviewed the show very highly. But they're also the sort of people who can watch EVOLVE. Quote:
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"Hey dude, hitting yourself in the nuts with a hammer feels really good." "Doesn't seem like the sort of thing I'd try. I like using a hammer to break my walnuts, but I'm not sure I want to use it on my testicles." "Fuck off! Try it before you have an opinion!" No. It doesn't entice me. Brock vs. Bryan did. I watched that instead. I can't talk about what happened on the show, but I can talk about how impressions of what was reported makes me feel and whether or not it suckers me in or not. It doesn't. That's not my obligation, homie. Quote:
I think wrestling has always required a suspension of disbelief, but now guys kind of mock the suspension of disbelief. They do stuff that you can't possibly believe, outside the laws of physics, and we're supposed to clap and applaud the "performance." What is the point of performing a fake fight? Like, why not just watch gymnastics? They actually do it better and don't insult your intelligence while you do it. The headlocks and bear hugs point is a bit of a straw-man, isn't it? Like, I don't think anyone says that. I think they just want realistic shit that people can, as you say, actually suspend their disbelief for. God, I get so tired of hearing that saying. It's not your fault, but people use it and don't really appreciate what suspension means. Quote:
Bingo. Isn't this called "booking yourself into a corner?" Like, if you have two people who don't know how to climb a ladder, don't do a Ladder Match. If you can't have blood on TV, don't do a First Blood match. If you can't afford to beat either of your top guys, don't have them wrestle each other. It's pretty common sense to me, yet they end up in these situations and people are like "Well, what are they supposed to do?" Anything else. Literally anything else. Quote:
I'm not a traditionalist in any area of my life anymore. I used to be, because of OCPD, haha. I liked things to follow patterns. I've learnt that those patterns can be arbitrary. As Doug Stanhope says, "tradition is dead people's luggage -- quit carrying it." Make no mistake about it, though, this is being done for tradition and to bite in on a name with cache somewhere, although I can't imagine genuine fans of the match being that into these ones. The point is that the psychology is all wrong. I don't care if they're not going to do the same rules. I don't mind a pin. I don't mind there being no roof and an escape being a forfeit. That's seriously whatever with me. It's just having a good fucking match that takes the concept of what a War Games match is -- a bunch of dudes fighting inside a steel cage -- and them holding hands and supporting each other for contrived spots. Quote:
This is very succinctly put. |
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