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Old 08-04-2021, 03:55 PM   #81
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Ronda Rousey getting in on it:
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Old 08-04-2021, 04:00 PM   #82
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Wyatt was over as fuck in his original run. One of the best characters they had up until Mania 30. The match they had with the Shield the month before was insane and the crowd was red fucking hot. What an idiot Rousey is.
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Old 08-04-2021, 06:54 PM   #84
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Rousey's emotions have the stability of sugar glass.
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The replies in this thread are cancer. Fans aren’t always booing the performer. In the case of Bray Wyatt it was the booking that was the problem, not the man himself.
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The replies in this thread are cancer. Fans aren’t always booing the performer. In the case of Bray Wyatt it was the booking that was the problem, not the man himself.
Don’t worry. It’s clear that Rousey and the folks in WWE are smart enough to understand and grasp that. /s
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Thank fuck. He could talk his ass off, but almost everything he ever did was horrible. He’s made his money and had his time.
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Wrestling fans are the absolute worst of scum, by the way. I think many of you would be shocked to know just how many people don’t like wrestling because wrestling fans are horrible.
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A wrestling company losing a guy who can talk his ass of is never a good thing. If you run a wrestling company and you have a top 5 talker who isn’t a PR nightmare but can’t find a use for him that isn’t horrible, you gotta wonder why you’re even running a wrestling company.
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Depends on perspective. I never want to see Bray Wyatt or The Fiend ever again. It sucks that he didn’t do better stuff, but he didn’t do better stuff.

If his head is right, and his priorities are there, he’s a no-brainer hire for anyone. Actual pro-wrestling promo Windham Rotunda — building to a big fight — could be great. But if bad poetry that goes nowhere is actually his idea, then fuck him.

WWE is either the best or worst place for him. If it’s the best place, then I can do without the cartoon cult leader nonsense. If it’s the worst place, we’re all better off.
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Original swamp-dwelling southern cult leader Bray Wyatt was fucking fantastic.

“That’s creepy. You know what would make him even MORE creepy? Jobbing him out almost immediately, turning him into an un-killable clown with the power of teleportation, putting him over John Cena in a match that takes place in Cena’s mind at WrestleMania, burning him alive and then having him return to die via 1 RKO”...

Not as fantastic.
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I liked Bray’s initial promos and introduction, but I cared about him about zero after his initial debut. Yeah, some of it is obviously WWE. But a lot of it was his end too. The delivery was there, but the substance just wasn’t for me.
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Depends on perspective. I never want to see Bray Wyatt or The Fiend ever again. It sucks that he didn’t do better stuff, but he didn’t do better stuff.

If his head is right, and his priorities are there, he’s a no-brainer hire for anyone. Actual pro-wrestling promo Windham Rotunda — building to a big fight — could be great. But if bad poetry that goes nowhere is actually his idea, then fuck him.

WWE is either the best or worst place for him. If it’s the best place, then I can do without the cartoon cult leader nonsense. If it’s the worst place, we’re all better off.
Until he loses all of those big fights and then even the actual pro-wrestling promo is rendered moot.
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Until he loses all of those big fights and then even the actual pro-wrestling promo is rendered moot.
Yeah, exactly. Nothing matters in wrestling anymore, so it’s all inconsequential.
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shes completely right. if he was indispensable he wouldnt have been dispensed.

you can blame creative, thats fine, but if your shit aint over your career will be. the end result is the same; doesnt matter who you blame.

the audience plays a major role in who eats and who starves and theyre a major factor in how the creative is shaped. if theyd boo heels they like and cheer babies they like and sit on their hands for the rest the business would improve 10 fold. but since theyre not actually smart, in the carny sense, this'll never happen.

if you dont see a correlation in the products quality and it being over ran by "smarks" (and fuck do i ever use that term loosely and begrudgingly) its only because your either not looking or unwilling to see it.
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I get what you are saying but that isn't exactly the case with Bray. He had been one of the most over acts on the roster for awhile. The crowd was always into him. And he moved merch.
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ive seen the crowd sleep through his shit dozens of times. i think largely in protest of the writing but that beach ball remark is literal. that happened.
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theres also the issue of cheering heels that puts creative into an impossible box but thats a huge conversation that would take ages to unpack
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Who was the last fan chosen star the WWE actually got 100% behind? Eddie? They’ve been plenty of guys who organically got over that the company didn’t get behind or purposely tanked for whatever reason. Bryan, Ryder, Rusev, Cesaro, RVD, Booker T, Christian, Punk, and I’m sure there are a few others.

I’m not saying all these guys should’ve been the top guy in the company or anything like that. But there’s a lot ships in that lot that sales not for the talents lack of popularity, ability or willingness, but because the company didn’t get behind them. Reigns is a prime example of Vince wanting what he wants and not giving two shits about what the fans think or how they react.

Crowds slept through or shit on virtually the entire main event run for Roman Reigns the minute he was hot shotted and yet here we are, 7 years later, when they finally got it right after losing half their audience since that decision.
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if you dont see a correlation in the products quality and it being over ran by "smarks" (and fuck do i ever use that term loosely and begrudgingly) its only because your either not looking or unwilling to see it.
Lol it’s not any fanbase’s job to react the way they “should”. In any form of entertainment. Period.

It’s WWE’s job to draw the reactions and emotions out of people they want. If they can, they’ve succeeded. If they can’t, they’ve failed. It’s insane that this needs to be said.

Any unwanted reactions from an ENTIRE fan base comes from how they’ve been conditioned to respond over time. WWE has made themselves, as a company, heels and everything they do feeds into that. They’ve chased away casuals who might react like you want and left a group who is just here to “play along” with this dynamic they’ve made.
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Good heels never get booed nowadays.
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I’d say I’ve seen Reigns getting booed on clips I’ve watched but as much as WWE fucks with the audio, who knows.

MJF seems to get a good amount of heat from what I’ve seen though.
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Old 08-20-2021, 12:36 PM   #104
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Heel Reigns is the face Reigns fans wanted for years. Corbin is going to end up a super-face at this rate too.
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Old 08-20-2021, 01:04 PM   #105
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I’d say I’ve seen Reigns getting booed on clips I’ve watched but as much as WWE fucks with the audio, who knows.

MJF seems to get a good amount of heat from what I’ve seen though.



MJF is a better heel, IMO.


Reigns does his "I'm a badass, acknowledge me." and its alright I guess. Though his matches early on with the Uso crap where they would spend 15 minutes talking was stupid as fuck.





MJF is a fucking prick, and a believable one at that.
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Old 08-20-2021, 02:12 PM   #106
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I honestly have to disagree. I love mjf, but no one acts that over top in real life, no matter how much of a dickhead they are. Reigns is the more realistic personality imo.

That said I could totally understand liking mjf more, as realistic doesn't necessarily mean more entertaining.
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:02 PM   #107
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Fig is right, MJF is a dimestore by the book heel. Nothing he does is revolutionary, or even original. That is not to say he is not good at it, because he is, but lets not go overboard. He is nowhere near Roman's level.
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:28 PM   #108
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Nothing Roman is doing is revolutionary or original either. If you think that’s a knock against someone then you’ve gotta take points away from both guys.
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:30 PM   #109
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Feels like Roman Reigns does the same "acknowledge me" schtick every single week... seems like it was cool at first but seems boring and repetitive now that it's been going on for like a year... What is he doing that is so creative or revolutionary...
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:34 PM   #110
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shes completely right. if he was indispensable he wouldnt have been dispensed.

you can blame creative, thats fine, but if your shit aint over your career will be. the end result is the same; doesnt matter who you blame.

the audience plays a major role in who eats and who starves and theyre a major factor in how the creative is shaped. if theyd boo heels they like and cheer babies they like and sit on their hands for the rest the business would improve 10 fold. but since theyre not actually smart, in the carny sense, this'll never happen.

if you dont see a correlation in the products quality and it being over ran by "smarks" (and fuck do i ever use that term loosely and begrudgingly) its only because your either not looking or unwilling to see it.
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:42 PM   #111
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:55 PM   #112
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MJF more of a "Miz"-type heel, but that is actually "pushed consistently".... from what I have seen.... maybe he has "surpassed" The Miz now, but definitely got "Miz at his peak" kind of vibes from MJF....
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Old 08-20-2021, 08:46 PM   #113
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MJF is a better version of The Miz at this point. It's like he did nothing but study what The Miz did and said to himself "now I'm going to do all of that better" and followed through.
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Old 08-20-2021, 08:51 PM   #114
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MJF is leagues above The Miz in the ring. Character wise MJF is in a different business altogether.

Yes I know The Miz had a good promo once on Talking Smack. That's it. He's always been a play actor wrestler. He's had times where he was close to being a real wrestler but pretty much he is crap.
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Old 08-21-2021, 12:23 PM   #115
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Nothing Roman is doing is revolutionary or original either. If you think that’s a knock against someone then you’ve gotta take points away from both guys.
That is also correct. That said, I'll take a dominant badass heel over what MJF does. I'll take what Miro is doing over what Omega is doing as well.
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Old 08-21-2021, 04:37 PM   #116
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Reigns also needs Paul Heyman to make the act work.

MJF gets points for being one man. He’s his own Paul Heyman.
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Old 08-21-2021, 06:47 PM   #117
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As is Miro. And there’s nothing wrong with needing or having a manager, especially if that manager perfectly plays off the talent and enhances their character, which is what Callis does for Omega and for now, Heyman does with Reigns and what Heyman did work Lesnar.
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Old 08-23-2021, 09:19 AM   #118
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I honestly have to disagree. I love mjf, but no one acts that over top in real life, no matter how much of a dickhead they are. Reigns is the more realistic personality imo.

That said I could totally understand liking mjf more, as realistic doesn't necessarily mean more entertaining.

I can definitely dig heel Reigns, but at this point it is a bore. AAA's quote below nails it for me perfectly.


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Fig is right, MJF is a dimestore by the book heel. Nothing he does is revolutionary, or even original. That is not to say he is not good at it, because he is, but lets not go overboard. He is nowhere near Roman's level.

He has had tons more originality to his promos than Reigns has. Reigns said some shit the first few weeks, now he repeats those same few lines but inserts a different name. Not taking away from him, it is what "creative has for him". It is just tiring now.


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Feels like Roman Reigns does the same "acknowledge me" schtick every single week... seems like it was cool at first but seems boring and repetitive now that it's been going on for like a year... What is he doing that is so creative or revolutionary...

Exactly this right here. Something should have evolved a bit by now, a little bit anyway.


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That is also correct. That said, I'll take a dominant badass heel over what MJF does. I'll take what Miro is doing over what Omega is doing as well.

Two different archetypes. Both are doing great with what they have. Really enjoy Miro's "Redeemer" promos. Why not both?



I can see people popping more when MJF gets his ass beat, or booing the fuck outta him and probably throwing whatever can be thrown, when he becomes AEW champ. He's had a slow burn rising, but has always remained hot. When he finally does ascend, it is going to piss people off in a very major way.


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Reigns also needs Paul Heyman to make the act work.

MJF gets points for being one man. He’s his own Paul Heyman.

Right? Even Heyman was beginning to become tiresome with Lesnar toward the end. I get that sing along with the champ gives everyone the warm fuzzies, but it also urges me to change the channel.
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Old 08-23-2021, 09:25 AM   #119
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shes completely right. if he was indispensable he wouldnt have been dispensed.

you can blame creative, thats fine, but if your shit aint over your career will be. the end result is the same; doesnt matter who you blame.

the audience plays a major role in who eats and who starves and theyre a major factor in how the creative is shaped. if theyd boo heels they like and cheer babies they like and sit on their hands for the rest the business would improve 10 fold. but since theyre not actually smart, in the carny sense, this'll never happen.

if you dont see a correlation in the products quality and it being over ran by "smarks" (and fuck do i ever use that term loosely and begrudgingly) its only because your either not looking or unwilling to see it.
The audience should play a major role, and should shape creative but you can’t genuinely say that’s what happens in WWE. There’s far too much evidence to the contrary. You’re asking the audience to just like what they’re being served regardless if it tastes like shit.
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Old 08-23-2021, 10:36 AM   #120
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Ronda Rousey getting in on it:

It's amusing how much of a drama queen she is, she can't accept the fact she got booed and takes it personally. Then again this is the same person who Joe Rogan was never done "bigging up" in a ufc division with no real competition, when she actually got competition she got her ass handed to her, vanished and was supposedly contemplating suicide.

Not sure if she has the mindset to be involved in wrestling if she's still taking all this personally. Cena was getting hostile reactions for the better part of a decade and took it all in his stride, she was just getting booed not even remotely on the level of Cena for a couple of months and it drove her up the wall.

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