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Old 03-18-2017, 08:23 PM   #11681
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The whole thing just reeks of stupid decisions by EA. Just look at the timeline.

1) The guys that did Mass Effect want to do a new IP. Neat, but we can't be without the big IP, so find someone else to work on it
2) Take the studio that made such, uh, "hits" as Boogie Superstar, Spore Hero and The Sims 3: High-End Loft Stuff and get them to do ME3 multiplayer content
3) You're now ready to make a big game after that string of successes, clearly! Start work in 2012 on the new Mass Effect
4) Several years pass without a peep
5) It's 2017 and the game still isn't done. Considering the unfinished animation, bugs galore and already said character creation wasn't finished and will be patched, but EA has given them 5 years and they need it out this financial year

What a mess.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:47 PM   #11682
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The timeline isn't really the issue here from my perspective. They had 5 fucking years to do a sequel to an already established franchise and were basically given complete creative liberty with the new setting. I've been eagerly awaiting this game and now......now I don't know.

I bet when MS first lost console exclusivity with Mass Effect they were probably a bit upset. Now I bet they are like THANK GOD.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:49 PM   #11683
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FFS all they had to do was use the same engine and animations from ME3 with increased resolution and better textures/lighting effects bolstered by the increased power of new gen systems.
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Old 03-18-2017, 09:31 PM   #11684
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That want going to happen since EA doesn't use Unreal anymore.

Still, the Dragon Age team could have shared their animation best practice in Frostbite.
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Old 03-18-2017, 09:39 PM   #11685
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Old 03-18-2017, 11:38 PM   #11686
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Hey Rog, hate to obliterate your views on modeling realistic 3D characters but...

1:1 proportions to actual human bodies is at worst difficult and actually at best non-ideal. For reasons I've spent a lot of my time reading about. I have an interest in this side of the industry, you see. Would you like to know more?

I really hate to come off defending a developer who I find currently pathetic and riding on their name brand but I'm telling you this is overblown. There's way better cases to make about Bioware and what they did to their two main franchises.
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Old 03-19-2017, 05:23 AM   #11687
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That's just one tiny thing, but please show me some art where it's desirable for someone to have arms that are half a foot short. It's just one drop of rain in the flood. Every conversation you look at in the game, the direction, animation, framing, lighting, delivery is all just weird. It just looked rushed and amateurish. Mass Effect previously was a series with lavish production value.

I'm sorry if your higher order brain is too advanced to perceive what normal human behaviour is supposed to look like. I'm sure, however, you've worked out there's some sort of agenda going on here, and I'd love to know what it is.
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inb4 "its sports so its okay" and/or "it isnt bioware so its okay"
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Not really sure what's going on here. Do you have an Andromeda pre-order?
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:42 AM   #11691
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Okay, what's my angle, then?
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That game isn't out yet. They showed it because it was funny and a bug they fixed.

But yeah, they showed it to be laughed at, which is what everyone is doing to ME:A.
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Hey Rog, hate to obliterate your views on modeling realistic 3D characters but...

1:1 proportions to actual human bodies is at worst difficult and actually at best non-ideal. For reasons I've spent a lot of my time reading about. I have an interest in this side of the industry, you see. Would you like to know more?

I really hate to come off defending a developer who I find currently pathetic and riding on their name brand but I'm telling you this is overblown. There's way better cases to make about Bioware and what they did to their two main franchises.
c'mon dude, this is like the biggest non-answer ever... sounds like a Trump response #haha #politics

"it's not as bad as you say, for reasons" is literally what you just said
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Jesus.

Gather around children...

- I'm not saying it's not bad, I'm saying a) animation issues have been in other games but it seems this game is getting picked apart, b) the character models do not have to be 1:1 scale to actual humans and sometimes for good reason.
- I'm not defending bioware.
- I asked if he would like to know more. Non-answers don't invite more discussion.
- In many 3rd person games you will find that the 3D characters models, not the concept art, Rog you dwarf, the 3D character models are scaled based on what you are going to be looking at over 90% of the time. This means they are not as tall as they should be, this means their backs are wider, this means their arms are shorter. It means a few things very few of which is having a 1:1 human body scale model.
- Fighting games do not give a fuck about proportions, famously. Zelda doesn't care. Halo doesn't care. GTA tends to be spot on. Sports simulations tend to be accurate for obvious reasons. It's not good or bad it depends on art direction and what the game needs for a playable avatar.
- In FPS you're not even controlling a whole body, its a camera with floating arms holding a gun and sometimes a magic lower torso. An avatar is added when another player's cam looks at you, but the puppet they see is not what you are currently controlling. This means... the proportions of the arms and legs are actually different FROM IT'S OWN AVATAR IN THE SAME GAME. HOLY SHIT. Yadda yadda this is old.
- I do not mean to sound condescending, I rather to have explained that character models do not have to be realistic. I'm wondering why you guys expect ME to represent realistic character models. To my knowledge Bioware expressed no such desire.
- The reason I'm not wasting my time showing a pic of Bayonetta or Chris Redfield is because finding evidence of other off proportion characters does not do anything for anybody. Even if you think I need that to win, so I should score an easy 'win', it's besides the point. Because we don't know that Bioware either don't care, have gameplay reasons for the proportions, or hell actually wanted it 1:1 but just sucked at it. But one thing's for sure: If you think 1:1 body proportions is some kind of objective goal there's too many games to show otherwise.
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A lot of waffle. Does any of that relate to Mass Effect? It tries to portray realistic/Hollywood humans, viewed in third person in cutscenes that would require normal proportions. For some reason you've decided that everyone's suddenly gone mental and decided to pick on this game, again, I'd ask for your theory on why I've ignored these issues in thousands of other games and suddenly started picking on Mass Effect Andromeda.
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It's entirely on you that you believe cutscenes 'require' realistic proportions. And you just completely made up this 'realistic/hollywood' 3D model standard. Bioware never told you this was a thing for them.

If I had to guess I'd say you're harping on this because it's hip to do so atm. And I'm most interested in the lack of gameplay assessment now that the demo is out.
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'Waffle'. I just told this guy how this shit works and he's like "lots of waffle". Once again Kalyx who's Serious Business about his nerdy games somehow doesn't know what he's talking about in the very subject.
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No you're right. It's an artistic vision to have the whole thing look like Team America. I am just too dense to get it.

The gameplay will be passable. It's Mass Effect.
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Yeah you are too dense to get it. Artistic expression literally means you can do ugly shit. Your attempted sarcasm is actually the point.
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"After our series was praised for it's memorable characters and some of the best presentation of cutscenes that generation. With a new generation of consoles, we've decided to make folks more stumpy. Also their faces should be flat and motionless, except for the lips that should go meep meep like Pingu. Then the camera should linger inappropriately and against the flow of dialogue, that our director appear to have done in one take. What you don't realise, and this is very technical, is that when you have a first person shooter, you have to change the way you model the hand so that it looks right. I mean, we're not doing that here, This is very advanced technical game stuff, so we don't need artists who understand the fundamentals of life modelling or animations. Because, you see, when you're rendering characters in certain genres... now, not this game, but other games...
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Bayonetta has long legs and is really really tall. Chris Redfield looks like an action hero and not some stumpy man.
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:05 PM   #11704
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All that waffle doesn't counter the point.

And lol at Chris just looking like an action hero and Bayo just being tall. I'll play, too: Mass Effect guy just has short arms. Boom. We're done here.
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:29 PM   #11705
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:40 PM   #11706
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How did they manage the feat of modelling Shepard '1:1'. I'm lead to believe, by an expert, that this is very difficult and HOLY SHIT. YADDA YADDA.
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:43 PM   #11707
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You should have perhaps made a realisation when you started boring yourself in the middle of that post.
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How did they manage the feat of modelling Shepard '1:1'. I'm lead to believe, by an expert, that this is very difficult and HOLY SHIT. YADDA YADDA.
The team is different.
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Guess someone on the dev team is a fan of Booker T.
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Old 03-20-2017, 12:46 AM   #11710
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That should be a move.
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I see this and i can only think...so?
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:27 AM   #11712
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:43 PM   #11713
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:07 PM   #11714
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Didn't the same thing happen with Dragon Age 2? Some female employee got a ton of hate because of how that whole game played out?

Bet it's the same people.
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Old 03-21-2017, 06:10 PM   #11715
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3) Microsoft announced the next DLC pack for Dead Rising 4 will arrive on April 4, is called Frank Rising, and involves Frank West becoming a zombie.
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4) Microsoft also revealed the upcoming major firmware update for the Xbox One will include the ability to sort game libraries by console and custom gamerpic support for profiles.
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5) The director of Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night, Koji Igarashi, announced the Wii U version of the game has been recently canceled in favor of a Switch version being made instead. Also announced those who supported the Wii U version on Kickstarter will have the option of a refund or get the Switch version.
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Old 03-22-2017, 05:53 PM   #11716
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2) Ubisoft announced they are currently working on an Assassin's Creed tv series with Netflix rumored to be involved.
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3) Nintendo stated they have fixed manufacturing problems in regards to the Switch's Joycon syncing issues and shouldn't be a problem for future batches of the controller. Company claims the problem wasn't due to design issues but from differences occurring during mass production.
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4) Shouldn't be a surprise but according to sales data, Monster Hunter's newest game called Monster Hunter XX managed to be the highest selling game last week in Japan and outsold the rest of the Top 10 combined by almost 364k.
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Old 03-23-2017, 06:19 PM   #11717
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4) According to reports, Gamestop will be shutting down 150 stores due their recent fiscal report being weaker than expected. In terms of sales, hardware sales were down 29% and game sales down by 19%. Also revealed they will be investing more towards non-gaming related stores for the future.
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