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Old 06-16-2020, 08:25 PM   #2641
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Also, they seem to be picking up a lot of guys who don’t look like I could beat them up, which is REALLY refreshing in 2020.
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Old 06-16-2020, 09:20 PM   #2642
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Watching Dark right now. One thing I absolutely do not like is how they treat Luchasaurus as an equal member of Jurassic Express. That is insane. He should be the hot tag that murders everybody after the other two get done.
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Old 06-16-2020, 09:26 PM   #2643
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Big Swole has combined a TKO into a GTS which is kinda cool. Also using a rainmaker discus forum which is a bit busy. Which is crazy because I previously said she uses a TKO into a GTS
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Old 06-16-2020, 09:38 PM   #2644
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Lance Archer would’ve been a main event heel in the 80s/early 90s. Good monster character.
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Old 06-16-2020, 09:39 PM   #2645
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Cody’s matches, properly used enhancement talent, MJF’s entire existence, FTR hopefully, Dustin... there are plenty of “back to the basics” aspects.

I’m not really sold on Sammy but Jungle Boy gives me early 90s WCW Saturday Night Pillman vibes that I enjoy.
I think Guevara has a ton of potential/upside. He's come a long way just establishing his personality since joining the inner circle on night one of tv.

I agree with everything you're saying. I think of AEW stuck to the basics across the show they'd be even better. Pretty much every Cody match is a shining example of how that shit works so well.

I've liked what they've done with Moxely. Page has grown a lot since being forced into the first world title match.

I don't mind the undercard comedy stuff. Matt Hardy schtick kills me. Especially because he's just broken right from the start. No build up for it. And the constant gimmick changes mid match doesn't do it for me at all.
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Old 06-16-2020, 09:54 PM   #2646
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Cody’s matches, properly used enhancement talent, MJF’s entire existence, FTR hopefully, Dustin... there are plenty of “back to the basics” aspects.

I’m not really sold on Sammy but Jungle Boy gives me early 90s WCW Saturday Night Pillman vibes that I enjoy.


Total built in storyline right there.
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Old 06-16-2020, 09:58 PM   #2647
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Cody’s matches, properly used enhancement talent, MJF’s entire existence, FTR hopefully, Dustin... there are plenty of “back to the basics” aspects.

I’m not really sold on Sammy but Jungle Boy gives me early 90s WCW Saturday Night Pillman vibes that I enjoy.
Completely disagree with properly used enhancement talent. Marko Stunt is not properly used enhancement talent. Nor is Alan Angels. The matches are way too competitive and the "talent" looks anything but. FTR and MJF I'll give you (hopefully -- I can still see FTR being made "funny"). Dustin...eh. Ideally, but he doesn't fucking do much of anything. Teaming with QT Marshall is so flat, and they're doing this thing with Brandi and Allie which reeks of The Diamonds in the Rough splitting because Elix Skipper got a new girlfriend or something. The match with Cody, sure, but you can leave your fucking Natural Nightmares.

Sammy is going to be way better as a babyface, and I don't like how they've turned him into a comedy guy. Jungle Boy is someone I completely endorse.

Within five years, it's very likely MJF, Sammy Guevara and Jungle Boy will all be under WWE contract, haha.
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Old 06-16-2020, 10:07 PM   #2648
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Watching Dark. Luchasaurus should keep his strikes simple. He threw a basic knee and kick and because he's fucking huge, it looked great.

One day he's gonna lose his mask and it'll propel him up the card, imo.
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Old 06-16-2020, 10:24 PM   #2649
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Watching Dark. Luchasaurus should keep his strikes simple. He threw a basic knee and kick and because he's fucking huge, it looked great.

One day he's gonna lose his mask and it'll propel him up the card, imo.
He's not huge though. Hager, Archer, Brodie, and even Dustin are bigger than he is. He is roughly the same size as Billy Gunn.

Just cause he wrestles with and against 5 foot 8 guys doesn't actually mean he is huge.
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Old 06-16-2020, 10:50 PM   #2650
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Billy Gunn is enormous.
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Old 06-16-2020, 11:15 PM   #2651
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Billy Gunn is enormous.
I was gonna say that but I thought it would lead to a weird conversation where xrod would be like “but that wasn’t my point” and then I’d be like “Well, you said that thing verbatim and it didn’t make sense” and then he’d be like “Yeah, but you’re missing the point. Of course Billy Gunn is huge...” and then my head would start to hurt.
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Old 06-16-2020, 11:26 PM   #2652
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Billy Gunn is not huge. Braun Strowman is huge. 6'8" 385lbs should be the starting point for huge, not a dude built like pre-steroids Test.
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Old 06-16-2020, 11:36 PM   #2653
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Watching Dark. Luchasaurus should keep his strikes simple. He threw a basic knee and kick and because he's fucking huge, it looked great.

One day he's gonna lose his mask and it'll propel him up the card, imo.
I disagree mostly in regards to him losing the mask.

Rather he feel unique than become just another potential generic big man and just wrestle as one as well. All he really needs is to add a power move to his arsenal to enhance his big man status in a group that's very balanced in terms of guy types.

The mask stuff has been a big issue I've had with WWE over the years with masked guys. Either WWE quickly unmasks them or changes them too much that they lose what made them feel special to begin with. El Hijo del Phantasmo being the latest incident of this more so on the sudden unmasking.
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Billy Gunn is not huge. Braun Strowman is huge. 6'8" 385lbs should be the starting point for huge, not a dude built like pre-steroids Test.
How about this: Billy Gunn is bigger than you would assume he is in both height and mass, be it enhanced or not. The point was a viable measuring stick on how much of a "monster" Luchasaurus actually is in relation to the talent on the roster, not a debate in semantics on the definition of "huge".
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I disagree mostly in regards to him losing the mask.

Rather he feel unique than become just another potential generic big man and just wrestle as one as well. All he really needs is to add a power move to his arsenal to enhance his big man status in a group that's very balanced in terms of guy types.

The mask stuff has been a big issue I've had with WWE over the years with masked guys. Either WWE quickly unmasks them or changes them too much that they lose what made them feel special to begin with. El Hijo del Phantasmo being the latest incident of this more so on the sudden unmasking.
That's something you can count on WWE doing: taking luchadores out of masks to repackage under a trademarked name, and burying & breaking up perfectly fine tag teams for no good goddamn reason only to throw together other random ass singles stars when they "need" a team.

I think the only reason why Lucha House Party were all still masked was because they were convinced they could "create" another Rey Rey. Ask either Sin Cara how well that shit worked out.

I have less problem with Luchasaurus keeping his mask than I do Excalibur, and I am in the minority that thought nothing of Excal wearing his in the booth while mostly everyone else was throwing a shit fit about it.
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How about this: Billy Gunn is bigger than you would assume he is in both height and mass, be it enhanced or not. The point was a viable measuring stick on how much of a "monster" Luchasaurus actually is in relation to the talent on the roster, not a debate in semantics on the definition of "huge".
Which was my point, the narrative that Luchasaurus is so huge is bullshit, he isnt. He's billed at 6'5" 270lbs. Billy Gunn at 56 is roughly the exact same size and never worked a "big man" gimmick.

Both Rock and Triple H are in the same range, not to mention both who were more muscular, and neither of them worked the "big man" gimmick either.

Luchasauras only looks big wrestling against 5'8" guys and teaming with 5'5" and 5'2" 125 pounders. But it's typical wrestling smoke and mirrors, he is no more huge then he is a real dinosaur.I

Then when he squares up against a Jake Hager and is visibly smaller, it instantly exposes him as not really that big.
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Brock Lesnar is 6'3 286, and he's always been presented as a monster. Luchasaurus is a big man. If they present him as a monster, he can be a monster, or big man.
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Brock Lesnar is 6'3 286, and he's always been presented as a monster. Luchasaurus is a big man. If they present him as a monster, he can be a monster, or big man.
Because Brock Lesnar is a monster. Same as Bobby Lashley. That jacked with real life skills is a different factor altogether. They are actual could kill 99.99% of the people walking around in this earth with their bare hands.

They are a whole other category.
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Luchasaurus isn’t very good, which is a shame, because he’s got a good look. Although he looks like knock-off Seth Rollins without the mask.
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Billy Gunn is not huge. Braun Strowman is huge. 6'8" 385lbs should be the starting point for huge, not a dude built like pre-steroids Test.
Except everyone in wrestling talks about how big Billy Gunn is. He isn’t a giant but he is like 6”5 260 or 270, especially since he is on the gear. If you were next to him you’d shit yourself.
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I met Billy Gunn a couple of years ago. He was at eye level with me and I'm 6"5 1/2
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Like his head came up to your eyes or you were around the same height?
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I think if Billy Gunn had the grasp of psychology he has now back when he looked the way he did in '96-'97, he'd have been the star they wanted him to be in '99-'00.
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Yeah, he was kept around despite his lack of "it factor" largely because of the way he looked, plus he was a tremendous athlete. Prichard discussed how he actually had asthma which gave him big problems in longer, main event style matches--which hurt him in the long run.

It's weird, he'd do super athletic things, but I can't remember a single good Billy Gunn match.
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Watching Dark... I appreciate how this show kind of feels like WCW Saturday night. The veterans on this show are not as solid as the veterans WCW had under contract but still its solid. They can make some talent known on here too. Lots of chubby and skinny girls in AEW. They need to hit up Titan Games and steal those amazing women.
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The costumes of some of the jobbers on Dark is embarrasing.
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I cannot believe that with their budget they cannot get outfits that look semi-professional. Brodie Lee's gear was just awful, and he was supposed to be a main event level star. The willingness to let talent do whatever is just too much. Tony Khan says they don't want to be like WCW, but they kind of are in that regard.
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According to Aubrey Edwards on the recent episode of Talk Is Jericho podcast, AEW's video game is in the very early stage of development.

Also revealed that Kenny Omega and herself are also helping work on the new game.

https://www.cbr.com/aew-video-game-k...ubrey-edwards/
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My love affair with AEW is sliding. I am not a fan of Tony Khan as a person on Twitter, he is starting to remind me of an owner of an e-fed. Responding to Dave's tweet about how he shouldn't watch NJPW before any other wrestling because it's not fair was total cringe.

Add that to the horrible costumes they have been outfitting talent with and some pretty spastic booking along with a ton of twinky talent, I'm not as into AEW as I was about 3 or 4 weeks ago. I feel the last few Dynamite's have been subpar with other shows which was bound to happen because so many Dynamites have been brilliant.

Also I'm just a little unthrilled with the current angles aside from Mox/Cage.

I'd like to see some fire start burning hot on this show. I have a feeling this is the point where AEW is facing their fist identity crises of sorts. We are a year in and you still can't really say what AEW is yet. It's been a buffet of wrestling so far, and for me very enjoyable but now I'm waiting to see something a little more solid.
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Yeah Tony moaning about Meltzer saving NJPW shows for last was really dumb. Anyone who's followed Dave for any length of time knows that Japanese wrestling has always been his favorite style with NJPW being the pinnacle of it.

He knows he's going to like that show the best out of everything he watches that day because it's appreciably different than all American promotions. Seems silly to try calling him out on it.
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I think they’ve almost got too bloated a roster now that it must be tough deciding who to push. During Dynamite I could see the pieces for All Out falling into place but so many people probably left off the card
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Card probably something like

Jericho v Tyson
Moxley v MJF
Cody v Brodie Lee
Dark Order v Hangman and Omega
Young Bucks v FTR
Hikaru Shida v Britt Baker (assuming she’s back in time)
Cage v Darby Allin (again assuming he’s back in time)
Best Friends and Orange Cassidy v Lucha Bros and PAC

That’s 8 fairly likely matches based on what they’ve had building up or started building towards pre-corona.

Then you’ve got all these guys who are/have been fairly prominent probably thrown into a battle royal or something I guess if you want them on the card. Seems quite a WWE thing to do though

The rest of Inner Circle
Matt Hardy
Lance Archer
Jungle Express
Private Party
Superbad Squad
Colt Cabana
Butcher and Blade
Dustin and QT
Shawn Spears
SCU
This new Starks guy
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Yeah, the roster is definitely getting big for the TV time available.

Creatively the good thing about a big roster is that you don't have to overexpose anybody, you could easily make it so that nobody ever wrestles two Dynamites in a row. MJF wrestles one week, does a promo or vignette to advance his storyline the next, etc. They were pretty good at cycling talent like that pre-pandemic.

The flipside is it means stuff like Cody's Open Challenge becomes meh in a hurry because while he's a good worker, I don't necessarily want to see a 15 minute Cody match every week when there's other talent to be showcased. Same thing I'm critical of WWE with where they've got a giant roster yet the same guys wrestle every week while a quarter of the roster never make it out of catering.
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The tag division is a bloated mess
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Funnily enough I don’t think the tag division is a mess despite having so many teams. Nearly every team has something that separates them from the rest and they nearly all have some sort of ongoing storyline. They maybe could’ve done without teaming up Dustin/QT and Kip/Havoc since if anything they’re a bit short on midcard singles guys. But for the most part I like the rotation they have with their tag teams.

Although Jack Evans and Angelico need a lot more air time, they’re one of the best
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AEW's roster doesn't bother me, I'd like to see them keep collecting people until they have the perfect mix of over talent then let the rest go...keep signing people like Starks, Abadon, etc, keep building up homegrown names and then release a ton of people when you no longer need their services...
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