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Old 02-17-2023, 02:07 AM   #4921
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Still crazy to me that the third hour of Raw will be mercilessly mocked for dipping below 1.6 million, yet AEW can do about half of that on a Wednesday and it is considered a “hot product.”
it should go without saying things are relative. If tna were doing half of AEW's numbers it would be a huge victory for them. Obviously AEW has stagnated. A reckoning will be coming their way when the new tv deal comes up. The Raw specifically is shrinking week over week too though. And the pace is picking up. At some point in the not so distant future AEW and Raw are going to be in spitting distance of one another and not becuase AEW blew up.

And Dynamite is a big part of the problem. WWE has a deep enough roster to somewhat (SOMEWHAT) manage the oversaturation issue but AEW absolutely isnt.

With the WWE at least they tour which keeps some cashflow going to offset the production costs but AEW is just a money pit. It has a host of problems they i dont think it can survive.

But its failure should never be a reason to prop up the wwf. Thats absurd. That would be like comparing Disney to Nikelodeon. They both make kids programming but theyre operating at completely different levels. If disney loses 100 million its a bad year. Id nick does it they go under.

If AEW averages 1mil they can potentially earn more for the network through ad sales. If wwf does they lose money. Its pretty straightforward.
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Old 02-17-2023, 09:34 AM   #4922
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Raw just needs to lose the 3rd hour and they’ll be averaging 4.0s in no time!!
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Old 02-17-2023, 11:46 AM   #4923
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It would help viewship but hurt revenue. Its a weird time. Dynamite is the same issue. Its not helping numbers week to week but with them not touring the money from TBS is essential. So its a weird catch 22. They need the money but its sucking the life out of them. The business model is completely counterintuitive.
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That’s all well and fine and you make plenty of cogent points, Destor. But it all falls apart when you consider FTRBadFedBaldVickieEvilNylaPenisShamblesROFLROFLROFL.
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I'm a Shamblin' Gamblin' Man!

It doesn't matter how he Turns the Page, Tony Khan just isn't good at his job.

He is just running Against the Wind when it comes to the idea of good booking.

That's why his ratings are falling Like a Rock.

For the record, I did the "Shamblin' Gamblin' Man" bit as a reference to the whole Shamble's meme. When I typed in "Turn the Page," I realized serendipity. So, I just went with the whole Bob Seger run.
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He should've never gotten the book. He wouldve been a fine money mark
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Imagine having JR, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, William Regal, etc. And thinking "Nah, I got this!"
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The Khans are an amazing financial resource. If only it was limited to that.
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Old 02-21-2023, 07:33 PM   #4929
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SD - 2.38 million

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Old 02-22-2023, 12:28 AM   #4930
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287k is a fucking disaster.
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Who gives a shit? The Australian ratings are what really matter. AEW has a TV deal in Australia therefore will have ratings in the country.
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Let me guess, low AEW Ratings = Fan is getting mad again
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When the stress of constantly being outed as a retarded person finally causes your heart to pop, Noid’s gonna commit the ultimate act of betrayal and have his half of the gravestone removed.
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Let me guess, low AEW Ratings = Fan is getting mad again
SHOCKING!

Is he still trying to sugar-coat this shit? Wow.

287k for Rampage is objectively bad. It’s down 39.1% in viewership yoy (does that still matter to the apologists?) and 65% in the alleged key demo (let’s really hope it doesn’t).

That’s brutal. There’s no way around it.
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I wonder how wise it was for Tony Khan to go looking for a ROH deal and coming up short as he heads into negotiations for Dynamite (which I believe currently has Rampage linked in the deal). He’s tipped his hand to show that no one is really interested in more Tony Khan wrestling. Why would WBD offer him a significant increase when they’re one of the few bidding for wrestling?

Yeah, cable is dying and the network’s prerogative could be to drive viewers to streaming and use wrestling to create a false gauge for the overall network popularity to sell whatever ads they can. But they can get all that from Dynamite without breaking bank.
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80% of wrestling discussion is speculation. It’s fun to speculate what insane directions he’d be going in.
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Got anything to say about AEW’s declining ratings or is that not “peak wrestling forum” enough for you?
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i don't give a fuck about ratings and never have for any company so...
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Wasn’t last week’s show on 3 hours prior to its usual time slot?

(I know that ruins the narrative, sorry).
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Wasn’t last week’s show on 3 hours prior to its usual time slot?

(I know that ruins the narrative, sorry).
Yeah, in an arguably better time slot. Just like it was last year, when it did 39% better (65% better with 18-49).
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80% of wrestling discussion is speculation. It’s fun to speculate what insane directions he’d be going in.
Favoring the scuttlebutt that fits in with his fantasy world is how Noid prefers his good faith conversations.

It’s only gonna get worse now that he won’t be able to step outside and play with his boomerang without EVERYONE discussing AEW (AEW has a TV deal in Australia, if you didn’t know.)

There’s no didgeridoo loud enough to drown out the talk of what Tony’s big surprise is gonna be happening everywhere he goes now!
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Nice that you’ve come into a ratings thread then.
gotta make sure i don't miss any scuttlebutt!
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Old 02-22-2023, 03:28 PM   #4947
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gotta make sure i don't miss any scuttlebutt!
So got any thoughts on the decline of AEW?
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Old 02-22-2023, 03:29 PM   #4948
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it's unfortunate for me as a fan? i'm not gonna give you three paragraphs of bullsht if that's what you're looking for.
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Old 02-22-2023, 03:32 PM   #4949
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I’m just looking for you to participate in a wrestling discussion as opposed to trying to stir the pot while acting like you’re above it.
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Old 02-22-2023, 03:35 PM   #4950
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i'm above it? you're the one who never shuts the fuck up and doesn't even watch wrestling. which one of us is acting above it?
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Old 02-22-2023, 03:36 PM   #4951
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i do my wrestling discussion in the show threads. if you're looking for what i have to say, go to those.
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Old 02-22-2023, 03:41 PM   #4952
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having noid on ignore is great because I don't even have to read his dumbass posts to know ron is owning him rn
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Old 02-22-2023, 03:45 PM   #4953
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80% of wrestling discussion is speculation.
this is also why i don't have much to say outside of a live show thread. i don't spend chunks of my waking time or dreams speculating/thinking about pro wrestling. it's fine for others to do, but i find it a waste of time. what will be will be and no amount of words i spew out here matter. i know you've gone a different route on this, but no thank you.
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Old 02-22-2023, 03:54 PM   #4954
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although my good friend screech has pointed out that i'm also wasting my time here so what do i know? just a dumbass like the rest of us.
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It’s really only wasting time if your goal is to get them to understand and acknowledge that they are just the worst.

If you just wanna shame people for saying stupid things in an arrogant manner in a public forum, I say you’re fighting a noble fight.
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watching two people who have fan on ignore discuss what fan posted about is peak wrestling forum
It is not like guessing what he said is a tough code to crack, dude is perpetually Smoldering.
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Ooof, maybe when Jericho said they would be beating Raw in the ratings in a few months, he meant doing 40% of their ratings lol
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Do you think every forum has a “Time of the Month” like we seem to here?
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Probably not the smart people forum. Nothing but speculation and scuttlebutt that fits the shared narrative. Pure bliss.
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