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Old 05-06-2020, 09:46 AM   #361
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died with coke and hookers with just boots on.

I am surprised he found hookers that would take checks

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Old 05-06-2020, 01:39 PM   #362
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Awesome episode. A couple great Herb stories that weren't mentioned.

Herb thought Wild Thing Steve Ray was sleeping with his wife. So Herb paid Dr. Death to shoot on his during a match.

Starts towards the end of the match

There's an episode of Wrestling with Wregret on the UWF where I believe there's an excerpt of Steve Ray discussing this.
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Old 05-06-2020, 01:41 PM   #363
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Here is the infamous Herb Abrams v Col. Red angle.

Pure coked up Herb insanity.
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Old 05-06-2020, 01:41 PM   #364
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I think I saw a bunch of UWF on Amazon last year. I seem to remember a very excellent and funny Bret Hart promo.

I have no idea who he was facing.

I think this was USWA actually.

So many acronyms.
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Old 05-06-2020, 01:43 PM   #365
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I'm sure Mick Foley went on about Herb in Have A Nice Day because I remember him mentioning the boots before.

Good episode, I learned a lot.
I definitely thought Herb came off as much more lovable than anyone else in DSOTR before now.
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Old 05-06-2020, 05:17 PM   #366
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I think this was USWA actually.

So many acronyms.
Yeah there was a ton of USWA on Amazon Prime . Not sure if it's still there.
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Old 05-06-2020, 06:03 PM   #367
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If I was the DSOTR producer I'd tweet back any picture of Bixenspan.

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Old 05-07-2020, 09:14 AM   #370
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I wonder if how things might have been different with the UWF had Herb Abrams didn't have his vices. Also, what would he (Abrams) have called the UWF had Bill Watts trademarked the letters.
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They were dead in the water regardless. All these promotions that wanted to present wrestling "the way it used to be" all had a short shelf life (UWF, AWF etc..). SMW is probably the most successful and even that had a low ceiling.
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Old 05-07-2020, 09:37 PM   #374
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I can't remember, did the episode bring up Herb getting mad at Meltzer writing negative shit about the UWF so he named a jobber after Meltzer

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I don't remember them bringing it up but its hilarious
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I've tried cocaine but I've never been insanely high on it.
I bet that's a hell of a feeling. Running about naked all greased up with Vaseline and coke.

It has to be seen to be believed.
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David Bixenspan just wrote a really interesting story for Mel Magazine regarding a 1983 police report he discovered stating that Vince McMahon tried to talk Nancy Argentino out of filing a complaint against Snuka. Really fucking interesting.

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/...rgentino-death
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"Never before seen footage"......wonder how many dipshits will think it's footage of the actual fall.
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Meltzer had a story in this week's Observer Newsletter from someone who worked for Herb Adams' UWF revealing how much of a mess the company was backstage.

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Regarding last week’s Dark Side of the Ring and Herb Abrams, we got a nice anecdote from reader Jeff Cohen on that subject.

“I watched the DARK SIDE episode on Herb Abrams tonight. They seemed to portray him as a freewheeling cokehead but never mentioned that - as far as I know - he was married. I met his wife, a quiet Asian woman. She, Herb, and I rode in the limo back from the Babylon, NY house show that the UWF ran. At that event, she sold/ripped tickets while I sold t-shirts. The promotion was so disorganized that I found out I was selling shirts WHEN I GOT TO THE VENUE and helped carry the boxes into the lobby of the high school (assisted by David Sammartino). Simply put, they had assigned or hired NOBODY to do it. I borrowed a marker and used the back of some event fliers to put up signs saying "T-SHIRTS $12." At intermission, Herb's wife counted cash, then looked over and asked, "Who gave you $12 as the price?" I said "Nobody." She replied, "Oh, they're usually $13." I remember Herb frantically coming over and asking her for as much cash as she could give him - then asked me how much I'd sold. I handed him over $600. Whoever rented the gym was demanding cash, not a check. His rep had started to grow by then. The day before (Friday) there was supposed to be a house show in Jamaica, Queens at a converted movie house that now booked occasional gospel revival shows. I had scouted Queens locations for him (John Arezzi scouted Long Island) and showed up that night in a suit, nervous if this was my `big break’ into wrestling. The building was FREEZING as I arrived and met Arezzi. The ring was being assembled and the workmen were in winter coats (it was January). Arezzi and his WIFE arrived in a limo. He was not in a good mood b/c the concession stand was not set up and the heat was off. The event manager explained `I told you, Herb, I need cash not a check.’ Herb replied, `I gave you a check for $1,000!’ The manager said , `If you give me cash, I will turn on the heat.’ Furious, Herb said, `The show's off!’ He yelled at the ring workers, `Break it down, show's off!’ He went to the box (his wife was in the box office selling tickets) and told her to refund money. He went outside as the first limo pulled up and Ivan Koloff jumped out. Herb yelled, `Send the limo back to Manhattan! The show if off!’ Arezzi rolled his eyes and said, `See you tomorrow’ (at his wrestling convention at the LaGuardia Marriott). When I got there, Herb's wife was at the table selling pictures of wrestlers who were in the signing room. She recognized me and asked me to sell photos while she used the bathroom. She didn't come back lol. I wound up selling photos until the event ended. At that point, Herb asked me to attend the show in Babylon and stuck me in a limo with Steve Ray, B. Brian Blair and his wife, and Paul Orndorff. I was pretty intimidated but Steve had a bunch of questions about New York for me. I was also there at the end of the night when Herb was doing payoffs (by check). Herb told a funny story about how his wife wrote the check to Andre for the one UWF TV taping that he attended. She didn't know his real name and made it out to Andre the Giant, so his business manager had to handle cashing it at the bank.
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If anyone is interested in learning more about Herb, Bix and Kris Zellner did a two part Between the Sheets episode on the history of Herb Abrams and the UWF.

It's very good


https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts...b-SVtXJP6hFko/
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No thanks.

My ears are not keen for what my eyes have seen and my nose has imagined.
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If you've watched the LOD DVD that the WWE put out a while back then last nights episode was just a rehash of the DVD
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I really enjoyed the Road Warriors doc. I liked Animals honesty and hearing from Hawks brothers.
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My thoughts on this doc:



**Fart Noise**


Nah it was fine, but pretty by the numbers.
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It wasn't as in depth as I wanted it to be. It glazed over their whole career I felt. Road Warriors need a longer time slot for a doc.
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I really enjoyed Paul Ellering and Hawk's brothers added a family element I didn't know about this big guy. I've been watching all the Darkside's with my gf, and this was one of her favorites. I think Brody was her favorite so far. She doesn't know anything beoynd the brief preface I'll give before the show starts.


One thing I didn't LOVE is how they acted like They went from WWF to split and Hawk in Japan back to WWF, when they had another WCW run as a team this time in blue. Which I hated.
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Yeah I rolled my eyes at them ignoring the WCW run. Also, they were given a chance for a year to make an impact in WWE in 1997. They just stank out the joint because they were WELL past their prime.
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They didn't even mention their AWA run
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They never mentioned the Titantron suicide angle which should have been properly discussed.
I thought going into it that Hawk's addiction & downslide had to be the main focus but they paid it no more than lip service as a reason for their decline as a team.

Now that I think about it, it was a complete waste of an episode.
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Didn't like the Roadwarrior episode, mostly because it was the same ting WWE put out in like 2006 or whenever that DVD came out.

It was all the same guest even for the most part, Ellering, Smash, Droz.

First time in 2 seasons it felt like a simple rehash.
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Didn't both side couldn't talk about any legal issues since the settlement ?? If she broke the agreement can wwe start to make money from Owen again ??
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Didn't both side couldn't talk about any legal issues since the settlement ?? If she broke the agreement can wwe start to make money from Owen again ??
Probably expired some time ago considering how open and willing she's been in recent times with anything Owen related compared to before.

Then again WWE supposedly violated the terms several times before so the NDA probably isn't worth its paper anymore.
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It sounds like the breach of contract lawsuit is basically that WWE had two clauses in Owen's contract that lawsuits could only happen in CT and WWE could not be held responsible for injury or death so by starting a lawsuit of wrongful death in Missourri, Martha Hart was technically violating Owen's contract, twice.

Things got settled before this was ruled on, of course, but Vince IIRC did state he believes WWE would have won against Martha had things not settled.
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