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Old 05-12-2020, 12:23 PM   #161
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It's not every poster, you are right about that, but there is enough posts that needlessly push exactly what Noid said, WWE bad AEW good.

It's the blind devotion, rose tinted glasses, whichever cliche you want to call.

It's praising a 5 foot 8 guy like he is this cutting edge character professional wrestling has never experienced before, when all he is doing is the same gimmick Jericho or Miz has been doing the last 20 and 10 years respectfully, but without their range, although he adds in a few extra swear words.

Is the guy entertaining? Of course! But he isn't doing anything revolutionary.
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Old 05-12-2020, 01:30 PM   #162
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Old 05-12-2020, 01:43 PM   #163
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I mostly just see people enjoying AEW because it's a fresh product.

Muc, you're just a fucking contrarian shit stick. Hate shitty posters like you.
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Old 05-12-2020, 02:13 PM   #164
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I mostly just see people enjoying AEW because it's a fresh product.

Muc, you're just a fucking contrarian shit stick. Hate shitty posters like you.
Enjoy AEW all you want. There is nothing that says anybody who likes AEW has to be brainwashed loyal. It's cool to like AEW without hating WWE, and vice versa.

Implying the Revival were so smart to leave WWE because of a tag team basketball segment because WWE did it is bullshit. AEW just had a segment where the Inner Circle was making Instagram dancing videos to each other.

How is a clearly comedic segment playing basketball anymore ridiculous?

It's wrestling, it's supposed to be ridiculous! However pretending one is trendsetting entertainment while the other is killing the business bad based on which 3 letters produce the segments is 100% my issue. It's been my issue since a no legged wrestler eliminated Tye Dillinger and "wow this is so great, glad he got to leave WWE where they were holding him back."

Both companies do the same things. Either hate them both, or love them both.
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Old 05-12-2020, 02:36 PM   #165
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Out of interest, who are the AEW fanboys here?
I like AEW but I'm more into their upper mid card/main event scene. The tag division is good sometimes and the women's has potential.

Their under card is meh for me. Like, Orange Cassidy is fine as a comedy spot, but if he's going to presented as a joke he shouldn't be going more than 5 minutes with Pac, who beat Omega and Page and went the distance with Moxley.
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Old 05-12-2020, 02:37 PM   #166
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Btw why are we talking about AEW in a Raw thread. Isn't this want the 100k thread is for?
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Old 05-12-2020, 02:46 PM   #167
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Btw why are we talking about AEW in a Raw thread. Isn't this want the 100k thread is for?



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Old 05-12-2020, 03:00 PM   #168
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I enjoy AEW. It's certainly not perfect and there are obviously, shows, matches, characters, segments, etc., that are better or worse than others. I'm not going out of my way to point out or be critical of all of AEW's flaws or flops however, because I generally enjoy the show overall and they haven't been around very long and are still building their brand and vision. This not only helps me to brush past the shitty things, but also makes the better things that much more enjoyable.

In comparison, WWE is much more overall an awful product, and has been around forever and has had some good runs historically in terms of quality, but done nothing overall recently remotely good (outside of an occasional good segment or match that then leads to nothing) in 10-15 or more years. Despite many opportunities to change WWE have seemed to ultimately just regress more and more. All that does is make me tune out altogether and then criticize them even more when I do happen to see something really bad.
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Old 05-12-2020, 03:00 PM   #169
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Thread separation has always been a problem here. Don't get me started.
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Old 05-12-2020, 03:17 PM   #170
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I enjoy AEW. It's certainly not perfect and there are obviously, shows, matches, characters, segments, etc., that are better or worse than others. I'm not going out of my way to point out or be critical of all of AEW's flaws or flops however, because I generally enjoy the show overall and they haven't been around very long and are still building their brand and vision. This not only helps me to brush past the shitty things, but also makes the better things that much more enjoyable.

In comparison, WWE is much more overall an awful product, and has been around forever and has had some good runs historically in terms of quality, but done nothing overall recently remotely good (outside of an occasional good segment or match that then leads to nothing) in 10-15 or more years. Despite many opportunities to change WWE have seemed to ultimately just regress more and more. All that does is make me tune out altogether and then criticize them even more when I do happen to see something really bad.
You really do have to wonder how many times they could have just went with what was working instead of burying it.

I can think of 3 times they have adjusted in the last 10 years, CM Punk and Daniel Bryan, both of whom the they tried to bury before finally giving in, and Becky who they went with after 3 or so weeks of trying to turn her heel while she just got more and more popular.

How many of the guys did they shut down who really could have become a star? Zack Ryder, Damien Sandow, Rusev, Wade Barrett, Ryback, etc. They were all WAY more over than Vince planned them to be. Instead of giving them a chance, he purposely buried them. It just makes no sense to lose all the potential money they could have made him.
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Old 05-12-2020, 03:21 PM   #171
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Rusev really should have went over Cena at WM. It was over at that point and that's sad.
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Old 05-12-2020, 03:31 PM   #172
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Thread separation has always been a problem here. Don't get me started.
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Old 05-12-2020, 03:38 PM   #173
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Did you even watch Raw this week? I haven't seen you post anything about it in this Raw thread. Just talk shit about others.
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Old 05-12-2020, 04:02 PM   #174
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It's not every poster, you are right about that, but there is enough posts that needlessly push exactly what Noid said, WWE bad AEW good.

It's the blind devotion, rose tinted glasses, whichever cliche you want to call.

It's praising a 5 foot 8 guy like he is this cutting edge character professional wrestling has never experienced before, when all he is doing is the same gimmick Jericho or Miz has been doing the last 20 and 10 years respectfully, but without their range, although he adds in a few extra swear words.

Is the guy entertaining? Of course! But he isn't doing anything revolutionary.
I’m guessing your talking about MJF? The guy that Cornette (and therefore Noid) gushes over?
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Old 05-12-2020, 04:53 PM   #175
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Did you even watch Raw this week? I haven't seen you post anything about it in this Raw thread. Just talk shit about others.
I haven't talked shit about anybody. I don't call anybody names.

And yes, I did post in this thread, but after a while I get annoyed with all the WWE bashing. Especially when every Dynamite thread has the same people gushing over the same things they hated 2 days earlier.

Everything sucks on Mondays, and everything is the best ever Wednesdays.
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Old 05-12-2020, 04:58 PM   #176
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I’m guessing your talking about MJF? The guy that Cornette (and therefore Noid) gushes over?
In that example, yes MJF. I don't care what Cornette says anymore than I care what Meltzer says.
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Old 05-12-2020, 05:51 PM   #177
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I haven't talked shit about anybody. I don't call anybody names.

And yes, I did post in this thread, but after a while I get annoyed with all the WWE bashing. Especially when every Dynamite thread has the same people gushing over the same things they hated 2 days earlier.

Everything sucks on Mondays, and everything is the best ever Wednesdays.
I'm sorry, I wasn't talking about you.
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I mostly just see people enjoying AEW because it's a fresh product.

Muc, you're just a fucking contrarian shit stick. Hate shitty posters like you.
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Old 05-12-2020, 06:25 PM   #179
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Rusev really should have went over Cena at WM. It was over at that point and that's sad.
Rusev losing to Cenawas fine. It made sense that Cenahad to step up and be the hero. It was the constant and convincing losses to Cena afterwards that buried Rusev.
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Old 05-12-2020, 06:28 PM   #180
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I like MJF far more than the Miz, who've I found mostly annoying. MJF also seems better in the ring.
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MJF seems like a really good promo every time I've seen him.
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Old 05-12-2020, 06:46 PM   #182
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According to PWI, Asuka's reactions to winning the title and Becky's pregnancy announcement were actually genuine since she only found out about both when she got to the PC for RAW's tapings last night.

Also gives some idea of how sudden Becky's announcement was to WWE since they originally had different plans for Asuka's MitB case.

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Old 05-12-2020, 06:50 PM   #183
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There are plenty of AEW fanboys who get upset if you make a criticism about AEW. I've seen them on more exciting wrestling forums. Fucking drones who like anything because it's not WWE.

Also, none of you are willing to criticize AEW enough, because it fucking sucks, and there is plenty of fucking hypocrisy. If WWE did half the shit AEW did, people would be crying foul. Brodie Lee's gimmick is fucking horrible and is in no way, shape or form better than Wyatt Family Luke Harper. His best presentation was in WWE. Jon Moxley's best presentation was Shield Dean Ambrose in WWE. Chris Jericho's best version of himself was 2008 heel Jericho in WWE. Matt Hardy's was Jeff's brother in WWE. And that's fucking sad when you are looking for an alternative to WWE.

People just have their backs up against the wall because they don't want to admit they got excited for nothing. I did it. I got excited when I heard there was a billion-dollar promotion that could entice stars and create a post-Vince world. But then all the stars signed with Vince because they aren't fucking stupid and AEW is PWG with a budget.

If you enjoy it, fine. But don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. It's bad fucking wrestling.
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There are plenty of AEW fanboys who get upset if you make a criticism about AEW. I've seen them on more exciting wrestling forums. Fucking drones who like anything because it's not WWE.

Also, none of you are willing to criticize AEW enough, because it fucking sucks, and there is plenty of fucking hypocrisy. If WWE did half the shit AEW did, people would be crying foul. Brodie Lee's gimmick is fucking horrible and is in no way, shape or form better than Wyatt Family Luke Harper.
Seriously, how do you not get this? It's not fucking rocket science. Are you just a fucking idiot, or (for lack of any other explanation) are you seriously paid to suck some cock or genetalia?

WWE has a "dedicated" or "defined" brand due to its extensive (albeit "inconsistent"/"consistent") history of success/quality that has repeatedly declined/regressed and/or shit the bed for 10+ years or more, despite many opportunities to change or improve.

AEW, is certainly not perfect, not even "great". They are however, trying to build a brand/vision for the long term. Yes, shocker... not everything they do is great, good, or even "okay". Shocker, WWE was in the same situation some 30+ years ago. You know what they aren't though, so arrogant, big, or stupid, to think that they can make "entertaining" programming by scripting, rehearsing, and/or having everyone be, do, (and/or go though) the same (systems). AEW actually (at least contractually is supposed to) lets their talent have some fucking input in their characters, matches, etc.
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How many forums do you post on about something you don't actually watch?
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I post in more lively places because this place is fucking dead and I love talking about wrestling.

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Seriously, how do you not get this? It's not fucking rocket science. Are you just a fucking idiot, or (for lack of any other explanation) are you seriously paid to suck some cock or genetalia?

WWE has a "dedicated" or "defined" brand due to its extensive (albeit "inconsistent"/"consistent") history of success/quality that has repeatedly declined/regressed and/or shit the bed for 10+ years or more, despite many opportunities to change or improve.

AEW, is certainly not perfect, not even "great". They are however, trying to build a brand/vision for the long term. Yes, shocker... not everything they do is great, good, or even "okay". Shocker, WWE was in the same situation some 30+ years ago. You know what they aren't though, so arrogant, big, or stupid, to think that they can make "entertaining" programming by scripting, rehearsing, and/or having everyone be, do, (and/or go though) the same (systems). AEW actually (at least contractually is supposed to) lets their talent have some fucking input in their characters, matches, etc.
Back to the cocksucking and calling people idiots. Get new moves, dude. Also try and make some actual cohesive points. You're right, not all of what they do is anywhere near good. In fact, most of it isn't. That's exactly my point.

There is no vision, by the way. They don't have a fucking plan and never have. It's evident in how inconsistent their programming is. You're the one who keeps comparing it to the WWE. You're obsessed with it, and it's about the only thing you've got.

I don't need to like WWE to not like AEW. Why is that so hard for you to grasp? But yeah, WWE are way better at what they're doing. Sorry, but they just are. And that's sad, because it shouldn't be that hard to be better than WWE right now, but somehow AEW have turned that into a real challenge.

Your last paragraph doesn't even make sense. Guys in the WWE are still responsible for putting together their matches. Yeah, rehearsed promos suck. That doesn't make AEW good, lol. Jericho, Cody, MJF, Mox and Dustin can talk, but outside of that, everyone is shit there too. And everyone works the same. I don't know why you think it's some sort of revolutionary in-ring style. The best workers in the promotion passed through WWE.

You've brainwashed yourself into thinking that it if it's not WWE, it must be good. That's why you keep coming back to me sucking WWE's dick. I've been hyper-critical of that promotion for a good half-decade. Critical of it for longer. It's been on a decline for about 20 years now. But you can't separate that from AEW completely shitting the bed or pointing out that WWE might actually be doing some things better than AEW. *shudder*

You've got to have it all one way, and if anyone gets in the way of that they're an idiot, a cocksucker or some combination of the two. You're not fierce, Cripz. You're not being logical. You're a dude with 15-year-old boy syndrome getting defensive because someone pointed out the band they like doesn't play very good music. "At least they're not sellouts!" Sure, bud. Sure.

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Doesn't matter. Most of you are really sensitive about anyone who has got an opinion that doesn't fit the narrative you want though. A lot of you couldn't take WWE criticism as recently as two years ago, and most of you can't take AEW criticism now but provide a throat clearing announcing you can, then call people names when they do it. But none of that has any bearing on whether or not you encounter it in the wild.
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There are plenty of AEW fanboys who get upset if you make a criticism about AEW. I've seen them on more exciting wrestling forums. Fucking drones who like anything because it's not WWE.

Also, none of you are willing to criticize AEW enough, because it fucking sucks, and there is plenty of fucking hypocrisy. If WWE did half the shit AEW did, people would be crying foul. Brodie Lee's gimmick is fucking horrible and is in no way, shape or form better than Wyatt Family Luke Harper. His best presentation was in WWE. Jon Moxley's best presentation was Shield Dean Ambrose in WWE. Chris Jericho's best version of himself was 2008 heel Jericho in WWE. Matt Hardy's was Jeff's brother in WWE. And that's fucking sad when you are looking for an alternative to WWE.

People just have their backs up against the wall because they don't want to admit they got excited for nothing. I did it. I got excited when I heard there was a billion-dollar promotion that could entice stars and create a post-Vince world. But then all the stars signed with Vince because they aren't fucking stupid and AEW is PWG with a budget.

If you enjoy it, fine. But don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. It's bad fucking wrestling.



I've not watched WWE for a very long time. I keep up by reading sometimes.


AEW feels "fresh", and that's probably what it is. They have a ton of work to do, but for me personally, they have been more fun to watch. Everything you highlighted is just your opinion and you seem to get upset that others don't share your view.


I don't think people care as much about Brodie Lee's gimmick so much as they do that he is actively wrestling again. It was a shared sentiment on this board (best board btw, tpww4lyfe) that it was shitty the "E" was just not letting him perform because of the good ole "creative has nothing for ya" schtick.


The whole "Dark OrdeR" thing is cheesy AF, but it is pro-wrestling, so carny shit should be expected.


I enjoy it, and when I don't I change it. I tried to turn to NXT last night and just couldn't care enough



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But BigCrippyZ definitely fits the AEW fanboy mould. Anyone who criticizes AEW must be sucking Vince's dick and be an idiot. It can't simply be that they have taste and like wrestling to make sense and not insult your intelligence with bad booking, teleporting, dudes who are parodies of the show they're fucking on and TNA-esque sports entertainment-style gimmicks. Nope -- got to be gay for Vince.

That's about what you get out of AEW fans. They cannot separate someone's dislike of AEW from a projected love of WWE.
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AEW doesn't feel fresh to me at all. If it does to you, that's fine, but when that fresh smell wears off, what is actually *good* about it?
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Also, if I cared about people sharing my opinion, why would I come to a forum of obedient AEW fans and say "AEW is shit?" Whose mind am I going to change? I don't expect that much of this forum, lol. I just say what I think. AEW should be the best thing to happen to wrestling in 20 years, but it's just going to hand more of a monopoly to Vince because it's laughable as content designed to rival them.
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Doesn't matter. Most of you are really sensitive about anyone who has got an opinion that doesn't fit the narrative you want though. A lot of you couldn't take WWE criticism as recently as two years ago, and most of you can't take AEW criticism now but provide a throat clearing announcing you can, then call people names when they do it. But none of that has any bearing on whether or not you encounter it in the wild.
It sort of does matter though. You might encounter it “in the wild” on these other forums you frequent but you bring that HUGE chip on your shoulder back here.

“A lot” of us can’t take criticism/call people names? That’s tarring a lot of people with the same brush as far as I can tell.

“Is this thing still going? I guess Pineapple Pete is about the best you can do when all the stars decided to stay in WWE instead of going to the "Ellis Island of Professional Wrestling."

That was your first comment in this week’s AEW thread. It’s hardly constructive. The thing is, you’re right (as far as I can tell) about a lot of what you say when you’re prompted to go into detail, but what you start with is 100% trolling.

It’s a smaller-scale version of someone signing up here back in the day expressly to tell us we were/are all stupid because wrestling isn’t real/is shit. The AEW fanboys wouldn’t be accusing you of “sucking Vince’s dick” or being a WWE apologist if you just left them to enjoy their shit product in peace.

It’s needlessly antagonistic. I think you’re a great poster - or at least you were - I just don’t get why you keep coming back to this “dead” board to spark an argument about something you don’t like. Unless, of course, you’re as bored as I am with this worldwide situation and you’re just picking up arguments to pass the time - in which case, you are a troll.

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It was an observation, not a flame. You clearly give your opinion and in the same vein criticize those who do not. "None of you are willing to criticize it ENOUGH" <--- that.


They aren't criticizing it to YOUR level of criticism. Why? Maybe they don't share that sentiment, that's all.


People are allowed to like different things at different levels. Hypocrisy will also happen because no one has a perfect memory about anything and often praise the person (or business) over the action (which has probably already been done X amount of times by OTHER people/entities).


That is what it seems you are mad about more than anything, but whatever. I learned long ago to just stop letting things into my life that don't bring positivity.




Perhaps quoting said fanboys' posts would help your cause that you don't care about. Point it out, discuss it, have an angry wank, whatever.
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Where does he do this in his posts though? That's the substance that is missing.
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But BigCrippyZ definitely fits the AEW fanboy mould. Anyone who criticizes AEW must be sucking Vince's dick and be an idiot. It can't simply be that they have taste and like wrestling to make sense and not insult your intelligence with bad booking, teleporting, dudes who are parodies of the show they're fucking on and TNA-esque sports entertainment-style gimmicks. Nope -- got to be gay for Vince.

That's about what you get out of AEW fans. They cannot separate someone's dislike of AEW from a projected love of WWE.
BCZ is about the only person I would point at and say “yeah, I see your point about the AEW fanboys”, I’m just not sure he’s all that representative of the posters on this board.
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XL got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)XL got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)XL got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)XL got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)XL got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)XL got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)XL got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)XL got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)XL got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)XL got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)XL got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)XL got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)
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Also, if I cared about people sharing my opinion, why would I come to a forum of obedient AEW fans and say "AEW is shit?" Whose mind am I going to change? I don't expect that much of this forum, lol. I just say what I think. AEW should be the best thing to happen to wrestling in 20 years, but it's just going to hand more of a monopoly to Vince because it's laughable as content designed to rival them.
I mean, you probably need to be asking yourself this question.
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