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Old 08-01-2018, 11:16 AM   #1
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Shinsuke Nakamura talks about crying after wrestling Brock Lesnar
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You had no choice but to do what the company wanted. But then Kazuyuki Fujita refused to accept a match with Brock Lesnar for the IWGP Heavyweight Championship which was scheduled to be the main event. Given your previous track record, you were selected to take his place and be the challenger.


“Part of that was luck. But that match was seriously rough. First, Lesnar was saying all this stuff about how he respected New Japan, but it felt to me like that was just for show, that he didn't really respect the promotion. Like, somewhere, he was looking down on Japanese people. I lost the match, and that was the first time I cried at pro wrestling after a match.”


Why did you cry?


“It was the main event at Tokyo Dome. This was a pretty hallowed stage, and I knew I hadn't fought the way I imagined I would. And there was, like, this temperature difference between me and Lesnar. I didn’t get the sense he had any love for pro wrestling. It felt like he was just doing his job.”


Another match to defend the title was later canceled because of contract trouble with Lesnar. He was stripped of the IWGP Heavyweight Championship, but be never returned the belt itself; he ended up running off with it.


“I felt like this was too much; he was seriously scoffing at us. Lesnar won the championship and took the belt home, I told Simon if the company didn't get it’s shit in order, that belt was definitely going to get nicked. I didn't honestly believe that when we fought. But it ended up just like I feared. He has the physical stuff, plus a straightforward strength and a certain amount of flexibility, so there was a bit of the monster to him. But I didn't like his personality, you know? He might have made a real mark in UFC, but he didn't even seem to notice the audience booing. I was like, "Oh, this guy's a heel to the core."”

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Old 08-01-2018, 04:23 PM   #2
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Brock only interested in money. True story, bro. Or should I say bRAW.
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Old 08-02-2018, 11:26 AM   #3
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Nakamura sounds like a bitch.
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Old 08-02-2018, 11:45 AM   #4
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Old 08-02-2018, 11:50 AM   #5
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Agree with Stickman, probably was a shitty situation but to cry over it seems a bit much.
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Old 08-02-2018, 11:51 AM   #6
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I didn’t get the sense he had any love for pro wrestling. It felt like he was just doing his job.
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Old 08-02-2018, 12:14 PM   #8
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I always laugh when people say that like that it matters
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Old 08-02-2018, 12:15 PM   #9
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I always laugh when people say that like that it matters
I feel the same way when someone talks about a wrestler deserving something because they work hard. Like... if Lesnar doesn't give a shit about wrestling and some less talented guy eats, sleeps and breathes it, Lesnar "deserves" his spot, his money and his fame more. The business doesn't exist to make sure guys who get into wrestling get what they deserve. It exists to entertain people watching and literally nothing more.
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Sounds like kayfabe.

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No, you should not.
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Old 08-02-2018, 04:38 PM   #17
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No, you should not.
Why not? Okay, may I say BRoman because guys clearly have a bromance going on. No wonder Big Dog calls Brock his bitch if you catch my drift. And this infatuation of Roman is actually harrowing.
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Then maybe all of the different wrestling companies should purge their rosters of those who are only there for the money.

'Passion for the product > Passion for the pocket' should be the motto of the whole industry, with money considerations thrown in the garbage and ignored, with those believing in the latter banned from the industry for a term of life.

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"Taker deserved to be able to keep his streak"

Come onnnn
Unpopular take: Taker should have lost his streak to Giant Gonzalez at WrestleMania IX so we didn't have to hear anything more about it.
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I always laugh when people say that like that it matters
Yeah, this point sounds more and more alien every time I hear. What does passion have to do with someone's effectiveness and ability?
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Unpopular take: Taker should have lost his streak to Giant Gonzalez at WrestleMania IX so we didn't have to hear anything more about it.
I thought they didn't start talking about it until he went to 5-0 at WrestleMania XI?
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It didn't really become a big part of The Undertaker's shtick until 2002.
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From a creative, non-wrestling standpoint, working with somebody who is talented but phoning it in and under performing really sucks.
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From a creative, non-wrestling standpoint, working with somebody who is talented but phoning it in and under performing really sucks.
Except that doesn't apply to Brock at all. When I've worked with creative people that can improvise their stuff and get amazing results, the reason people get bitter is because they're jealous. There's no substitute for hard work, but Brock does the work he needs to -- work that no one else can really do. He's more akin to an actor that gives brilliant performances but hates the fame and doesn't want to mingle with the other actors or talk shop with them outside what he does for a living.

That's fine. I know musicians that hate the music scene, comedians that hate the comedy scene, actors that hate group readings because they rehearse better alone. Why does someone creative need to apply themselves in a fake bullshit way to every aspect of the job like it's all some big candy-land dream? If you're giving good performances, who the fuck cares whether or not you "love" the whole process?
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You don't love music, you don't deserve that iPod.
It's more like "You don't love the music scene, your music shouldn't be listened to no matter how brilliant it is and how much it outsells other bands."
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It's more like "You don't love the music scene, your music shouldn't be listened to no matter how brilliant it is and how much it outsells other bands."
True. I have to agree.
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Old 08-05-2018, 04:20 AM   #29
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Except that doesn't apply to Brock at all. When I've worked with creative people that can improvise their stuff and get amazing results, the reason people get bitter is because they're jealous. There's no substitute for hard work, but Brock does the work he needs to -- work that no one else can really do. He's more akin to an actor that gives brilliant performances but hates the fame and doesn't want to mingle with the other actors or talk shop with them outside what he does for a living.

That's fine. I know musicians that hate the music scene, comedians that hate the comedy scene, actors that hate group readings because they rehearse better alone. Why does someone creative need to apply themselves in a fake bullshit way to every aspect of the job like it's all some big candy-land dream? If you're giving good performances, who the fuck cares whether or not you "love" the whole process?
Except Nakamura is saying this in the context of "My match with Brock was so fucking awful it made me cry" which indicates he didn't give a good performance.
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Where does it say that?
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His entire answer to "Why did you cry?", he puts it more politely / respectfully but he hated the match. There were reports of him going to the performance centre for the first time to find the other talent were watching that match and he made them turn it off because he's so embarrassed by it.
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Wait, Brock wrestled Nakamura?

The fuck was the point?

There was nothing to gain here.
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:28 AM   #33
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It was pre-WWE. In New Japan.
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From a creative, non-wrestling standpoint, working with somebody who is talented but phoning it in and under performing really sucks.
See: most Randy Orton and Alberto Del Rio matches
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Except both of those guys are really good (even if Del Rio became very boring as a character really fast).
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His entire answer to "Why did you cry?", he puts it more politely / respectfully but he hated the match. There were reports of him going to the performance centre for the first time to find the other talent were watching that match and he made them turn it off because he's so embarrassed by it.
I wonder if he does that with most of his WWE run thus far. Passion has got nothing to do with it, and that's not contained within the answer. What's contained within the answer is "I don't like the match because I feel like Brock doesn't have passion." Diddums.

I love Nakamura, but there are plenty of guys that weren't total geeks for the industry that have made a killing and produced some of the most magic stuff we've ever seen. There is no direct relationship between passion and effective work.
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Brock's had absolute classics. Again, I love Nakamura, but Brock vs. AJ was better than just about anything Nakamura and all his passion has achieved since coming to the WWE -- and I'm a fan of his work with AJ. Nakamura vs. Zayn was really good, but Brock vs. AJ was more recent.
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Except both of those guys are really good (even if Del Rio became very boring as a character really fast).
They are really good. But there have been prolonged stints where I haven't had any interest in watching them because they were phoning it in on a regular basis.

Like, they were so gifted that they could just half-ass it and still have it be totally passable. So I get why they did it. But as a fan I just didn't find it particularly interesting after a while.

Del Rio felt checked out for much of his WWE run and his boring character didn't help. Orton seems to mostly just coast when he's a face, he's very outspoken of his preference of being heel and it does seem like he's extra motivated when they've allowed him to have a heel run.
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Except both of those guys are really good (even if Del Rio became very boring as a character really fast).
The Circle of Noid.
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