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Old 07-16-2020, 03:41 PM   #56281
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I know that Neville and Sami Zayn were known "names" (Neville less so) but I'd almost put them under "homegrown talent" because they weren't brought in like "this guy is a big deal! Love him!"

They were brought in, and built up (and not on the backs of their old names)
Yeah compared to others after them, Neville and Sami would be closer to the "homegrown" side of the scale than "pre-WWE established" for how their indie star status was handled.

Wasn't until around Kevin Owens or Finn Balor where NXT's mentality with pre-established talent started to shift more in the other direction for big pushes and focus.
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Old 07-16-2020, 03:51 PM   #56282
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Good. Hope he quits wrestling.
What's this dude's story?
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Old 07-16-2020, 04:43 PM   #56283
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Seems NWA's future is dire based on a recent rumor going around the net.

Supposedly Billy Corgan is planning to shut down the company due to serious financial issues caused by the coronavirus and the recent controversies against the company.
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Old 07-16-2020, 05:09 PM   #56284
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Sho's eternal quest to beat Shingo Takagi has been my favorite angle in New Japan for a while now. Mainly because it leads to some incredible matches. So I was so hyped for their NJcup match.

...until that piece of shit Toa Henare tweeted out an image from the match showing the winner graphic. I don't even follow the fucker. It just showed up on my page.

Fuck Toa Henare. I hope he languishes in the young lion division for the rest of his fucking life.
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Like of all the still frames from the match you could use, why would you use one that states the winner mere hours after the match took place? Did any logical thought cross this guy's mind before posting it.
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Old 07-16-2020, 05:09 PM   #56285
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It’s unfortunate, what this virus has done to the loveable “little guy” like NWA. But it can easily be resurrected when life gets back to normal. If not by Billy Corgan, then by someone else. Who wants to chip in?
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Old 07-16-2020, 05:10 PM   #56286
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I was a little upset.
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It’s unfortunate, what this virus has done to the loveable “little guy” like NWA. But it can easily be resurrected when life gets back to normal. If not by Billy Corgan, then by someone else. Who wants to chip in?
Even if the coronavirus hadn't wrecked things, Corgan and Lagana teased before in interviews that the NWA desperately needed a tv deal signed in order to stay afloat for the long term.

Same thing probably would have happened to Impact had Corgan actually bought them since he only had enough money to cover the purchase and maybe its debt but very little for anything else.
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Corgan might be able to sell it to the WWE at fire sale price, if they’re interested in...what does the NWA actually have? Not a knock or anything. What does Corgan actually own?
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Corgan might be able to sell it to the WWE at fire sale price, if they’re interested in...what does the NWA actually have? Not a knock or anything. What does Corgan actually own?
cornett said wwe allready owns nwa it, vince got it years ago in a contract if it ever got big enough he could take it this was long before billy.
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Old 07-17-2020, 01:29 PM   #56290
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According to the Observer Newsletter, seems Extreme Rules is going to have at least 3 cinematic matches since the Bar Fight between Jeff Hardy and Sheamus is being taped prior to the event.

Every other match besides the Swamp Fight, Bar Fight, and Eyeball Pulling Fight will be live on Sunday.
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According to the Observer Newsletter, seems Extreme Rules is going to have at least 3 cinematic matches since the Bar Fight between Jeff Hardy and Sheamus is being taped prior to the event.

Every other match besides the Swamp Fight, Bar Fight, and Eyeball Pulling Fight will be live on Sunday.
i guess that's the way to do it now. i liked this weeks ep of impact with 2 cinematic fights, gets more out of old wrestlers.
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Old 07-17-2020, 02:39 PM   #56292
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According to the Observer Newsletter, seems Extreme Rules is going to have at least 3 cinematic matches since the Bar Fight between Jeff Hardy and Sheamus is being taped prior to the event.

Every other match besides the Swamp Fight, Bar Fight, and Eyeball Pulling Fight will be live on Sunday.



Ugh, suffering through this for the one family member coming over to watch it live. Usually they watch it the next day on their own time. The "eyeball pulling fight" is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long while.
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Old 07-17-2020, 03:42 PM   #56293
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Re: NXT champions.

I’d say Ciampa and Gargano are “homegrown”, they weren’t known on the level of Samoa Joe, Balor, Nakamura, etc.
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Old 07-17-2020, 04:14 PM   #56294
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Not sure I'd consider either as "homegrown" or else someone like Becky Lynch would also fit that criteria despite wrestling for around 10 years prior to her WWE debut. In terms of NXT Women champs, I'd consider Sasha Banks as homegrown since her pre-WWE career was very brief.

They did benefit a ton by being associated with NXT and WWE, especially considering Gargano and Ciampa were never meant to stick around in WWE as long as they did.

Originally, they were only meant to be brought in for the short term and to give something back to EVOLVE in terms of exposure when the partnership was signed. Their quick rise in popularity and the match they had in the 1st CWC ended up changing WWE's mind and making their stay permanent.
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Re: NXT champions.

I’d say Ciampa and Gargano are “homegrown”, they weren’t known on the level of Samoa Joe, Balor, Nakamura, etc.
Nah, they were top echelon independent workers. Just like anyone who made their way into NXT after working a long time with ROH and Evolve.
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I am going to watch NXT from last week and see how I like it. In the video package from Lee/Cole, I saw Lee's finisher and I think it was f'n awesome.
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Re: NXT champions.

I’d say Ciampa and Gargano are “homegrown”, they weren’t known on the level of Samoa Joe, Balor, Nakamura, etc.
Thought of putting them on the list with Neville and Zayn, but then thought "nah" because they got to keep their names and play off of their previous popularity right off the bat..... granted, they didn't play off it to almost immediate success like others did, so they are still a bit different for sure.
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Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson recently confirmed the rumors of them also having beef with Paul Heyman backstage prior to their WWE releases.

Besides Style, they also claimed Heyman kept lying about his big plans and promises for the group and also played a big role in their releases since he provided the list of RAW talent to Vince to get rid of.

Also both had some bad blood with Triple H over him also lying about things in order to get them to resign with WWE instead of leaving earlier for NJPW or AEW.
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Thought of putting them on the list with Neville and Zayn, but then thought "nah" because they got to keep their names and play off of their previous popularity right off the bat..... granted, they didn't play off it to almost immediate success like others did, so they are still a bit different for sure.
I think you can draw a distinction between “debuted in the crowd at Takeover/on Takeover/clearly brought in to be at the top of the card” (Nakamura/Joe/Balor/Roode/Drew/etc) and “brought in as a hand/to fill out the roster”. It’s well known that DIY weren’t pegged for greatness when they came in.
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But they were still brought in on their old names and presented as "check out these slightly popular names". They just weren't "check out these more popular names they are the best, love them immediately".
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Homegrown talent has always meant one thing. I’m not sure why it’s suddenly up for debate.

If people like Zayn, Neville, and Ciampa are homegrown nxt talent, then Jericho, Eddie, and Benoit were homegrown WCW talent.

Except they’re not. Because that’s not what homegrown means.
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When I was young, I dreamt of having a place just for me inside the squared circle. With the help of my Mom and Grandpa, I made that dream my reality. At 23 years old, my priority was me and only me. I lived the life that the old timers told me about and life on the road was everything I thought it would be at first. As the years went on my career evolved and so did I. I became a man, a husband and a father. Year after year, loss after loss my time in the ring became less and less fulfilling and my time at home became more and more precious but there was never a healthy balance between the two. Leaving WWE may have not been on my terms, but moving forward the choices I make regarding my career and my life will be ONLY on my terms. Over the last 14 years, I lost the man I thought I was... but Thank God I’m finding him again. I’m ready to reignite my fire. I’m ready to be the wrestler I was meant to be, while being the father and the husband that my family deserves. Now it’s my turn and I’m going to rise. So y’all better watch the hell out. Special thanks to @mauricio_jc0509 with @visualfirst_production for your time and dedication to this project. Thank you to Matt Mullins with @thebringdowns for my amazing new entrance music. Thank you to @latitude35cf for allowing us to use your space and kicking my ass into top shape over the last 90 days. Thanks to my wife @prettymotherpuckers for always having my back, even when I didn’t make it easy. My mom @ddtsrt for being my biggest fan. And of course a special thanks to my friends who have supported me through all of this change @natesiemon @emusukhbayar @emileesiemon @thomasculp88, @dmcintyrewwe @ganzo.u

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Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson recently confirmed the rumors of them also having beef with Paul Heyman backstage prior to their WWE releases.

Besides Style, they also claimed Heyman kept lying about his big plans and promises for the group and also played a big role in their releases since he provided the list of RAW talent to Vince to get rid of.

Also both had some bad blood with Triple H over him also lying about things in order to get them to resign with WWE instead of leaving earlier for NJPW or AEW.
They also talked about the AEW VPs having a sook because they didn't sign with them, but you conveniently left that out.

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I'm going to watch this with audio, but it seems to be some sort of "chasing the dream" video for Slater, which is really good, but I HATE the idea of being able to see his dreams. Why not just make it like a documentary of him driving in his car and training?

Come on, Heath -- you know better.

If that's his wife, then good for him too.

I think Keith Lee should have vacated the NA Title after winning in NXT and Slater should have come in and entered a tournament that William Regal says he needs to win in order to get an NXT deal, because "this isn't a charity" or whatever. Slater can win the tournament and have a feel-good moment with a singles belt. Probably triple AEW in the demos.

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Akam
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Bo Dallas
Bray Wyatt
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Dana Brooke
Dolph Ziggler
Jeff Hardy
John Morrison
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No, that isn't the same thing at all.

Fucking get it right.
Utter vicious.

It's even downright dastard.
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Old 07-18-2020, 07:14 PM   #56315
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They also talked about the AEW VPs having a sook because they didn't sign with them, but you conveniently left that out.
Because it had nothing to do with topic of the bad blood between Heyman and Styles, Anderson, and Gallows. The stuff with Triple H was associated but more of him being a minor player to the Heyman beef.
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Because it had nothing to do with topic of the bad blood between Heyman and Styles, Anderson, and Gallows. The stuff with Triple H was associated but more of him being a minor player to the Heyman beef.
No one was talking about that. They were talking about homegrown talent.
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Old 07-18-2020, 07:37 PM   #56318
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And what does that have to do with my original post about the new details regarding the backstage issues between Styles and Heyman?
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I'm not watching a 58 min Joey Ryan video but sounds like I'm not missing much
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