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Old 10-31-2015, 11:41 PM   #4281
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Mets got Bucknered! Poetic Justice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 11-01-2015, 12:20 AM   #4282
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lol you're probably the only Red Sox fan that cares about Bill Buckner even after winning 3 titles since 1986.
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Old 11-01-2015, 12:22 AM   #4283
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anyway, unfortunate loss but I'm nowhere near as bummed as I thought I would be. I basically thought the series was over at 2-0 and had vowed to not allow myself to get my hopes up unless they knotted it up 2-2.

would be hilarious if the Mets can pull off the biggest heist in World Series history but I just don't see it. Royals have got this. still a far better Mets year than I ever could have hoped for.
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Old 11-01-2015, 12:46 AM   #4284
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Yeah the Murphy error was costly but nowhere near as costly as walking 2 Royals in a row especially when ur up 0-2 in the count. Royals are fucking back breaking.
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Old 11-01-2015, 01:34 AM   #4285
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I still think Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS hurt me worse than any of these late World Series losses. Might have just been where I was in my fandom at that time. There was absolutely zero doubt in my mind that that team was winning the World Series. And when Beltran took that backwards K I went completely numb.

Games 1 and 4 this year hurt, but I still didn't feel the same level of disappointment that I did in 2006. You know that Simpsons ep where Bart pauses the tape to pinpoint the second that Ralph's heart breaks after Lisa dumps him? That was me in 2006. I think it single-handedly altered the way I view baseball and sports in general because it was really the first time in my sports fandom that I got completely crushed in part due to having unwavering confidence. Seriously, go back to some of the really old MLB threads and you'll see how different my mindset was, lol.
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Old 11-01-2015, 01:38 AM   #4286
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I know I've gotten a lot of shit over the years for being negative, and even I can admit I've been irrational at times. But this year made me understand that there is light at the end of the tunnel. There's no guarantee how long the window of contention will stay open, so I've just embraced this run while I can and have accepted it for what it was.

You look at comments on Mets blogs and you'll see loads of people talking about how this year was their chance and how they have a feeling the Mets will find a way to not make the playoffs again in the next few years with this pitching staff. The average Mets fan is wayyyyyy more jaded than even I am. I have no idea what the Mets will do in the next few years, but I do know that the very idea of having a guy who throws 96 MPH with his left arm like Matz as our fucking #4 (maybe even #5 once Wheeler is back) starter is simply outrageous. Win or lose I can't wait to see these guys pitch the next few years.
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Old 11-01-2015, 09:51 PM   #4288
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@Vito Cruz you should be jaded. They are the fucking Mets. Misery.
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Either throw that to first a lot quicker or force the guy at 3rd to stay even if meant letting the other runner go to first.
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Old 11-01-2015, 11:28 PM   #4290
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On the flip side, Familia for the Mets now owns the WS record for most blown saves with those 3 games.
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Good to see that FOX Sports is only interested in making sure that Canada's national flag is nowhere near the Commissioner's Trophy.

To me, FOX committed an anti-Jays, anti-Canada fuckjob in the ALCS. If FOX is going to use Old Glory like that, then FOX should be stripped permanently of the MLB broadcast rights, and have them go to CBS...it'd be nice vengeance for what FOX did to CBS in 1993, getting the NFC games package for the NFL out of CBS' hands.

FOX should have been banned from bidding, given the network's contaminated social editorial direction. > = (
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Poor Familia really deserves better fate than blowing 3 saves in the World Series. The media will try its hardest to paint him as a choke artist despite his amazing season...even though his only proper blown save was in game 1. In games 4 and 5 he came into impossibly difficult situations and got victimized by the Mets' awful infield defense. Rivera wouldn't have gotten out of those jams against this Royals team.

Can just chalk it all up to the save being a completely arbitrary and meaningless statistic really.
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I was at my dad's watching the game and after the bottom of the 9th I went home and went straight to bed. Duda's misplay made me sick and then seeing them respond with going down 1-2-3 with minimal resistance was all I needed to see. I had no desire to keep watching at that point. They wouldn't have scored again if they played 50 more innings.

There would have been more honor in getting swept decisively in each game than there is flat out blowing 3 games in the fucking World Series. The Royals of course deserve the credit for being tough bastards and for capitalizing on any and all Mets mistakes, but jesus christ the Mets fucking bricked it especially in games 4 and 5.
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Seems crazy that every player on the Royals played in the World Series. Feel like that just doesn't happen.
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The Royals have a very back breaking style of play. Any time you lose to them, it just makes you look bad, due to how good they are. Not only is the offence disciplined and consistent, where they make the pitcher work for EVERY OUT, but they put the ball in play and make the defence work for every out.

On top of that, for every team, it's a race to the sixth inning. Not just to be winning, and have a lead, but to have a substantial lead so you don't have the battle against their bullpen. Blown leads don't mean so much when you aren't up against an almost 100 per cent SHUT DOWN bullpen where you just can't get runs off of them.

So Vito, the Mets were over matched. It hurts to blow games, but they hadn't played a team like Kansas City, who are just down dirty battle tested dogs. Kansas City is MLBs wake up call. Starting from shattering Houston's rallying cry, to winning a nice little series against the Jays, where both teams shined but KC was clearly the better team to just breaking the Mets' backs from game one by just grinding.
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Credit given where its due for the Royals bringing home a title, but let's not pretend that the Mets very much blew it both on defense and game management. Harvey shouldn't have gone out for the 9th, Familia should've not been used in a blowout game that burned precious innings, Collins should've deployed Ligares in game one, and pulled DeGrom in game 2 before it got out of hand.

Granted, the Royals took extreme advantage of the opportunities presented to them and maybe the series ends in their favor anyways. But it didn't need to end last night with the Mets handing the trophy over.
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I was 100% on board with Harvey coming out for the 9th. He'd earned the chance. But leaving him in after the leadoff walk to Cain was stupid.

Tying run on 2nd with no outs against a Royals team that puts everything in play was a situation almost nobody could have gotten out of. And Familia basically did get out of it and did exactly what he needed to do...until fucking Duda botched a throw that a Little Leaguer would have made in stride.
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Look - I even said on here after they won the division (something I never saw as a realistic option in Spring Training, much less in June when they had John goddamn Mayberry Jr batting cleanup) that anything they did in the playoffs was gravy. I felt that way even moreso after the thrilling NLDS win, and felt it even more after the NLCS.

I knew the Royals would be fucking hard to beat, and they'd need to play crisp, mistake-free baseball to do so. I went into the World Series knowing it would suck to come close and lose but, at the end of the day, there'd be no shame in losing to this Royals team.

But to lose in THAT fashion? They were 2 outs away from winning Game 1 and Familia threw his worst pitch of the postseason. 5 outs away from winning Game 4 and Murphy decided to pull a Murph. 1 out away from winning Game 5 and Duda literally threw it away.

8 fucking outs is all that separated the Mets from a title. The Royals absolutely deserve to be champions for managing to stage a comeback. But knowing the Mets completely melted down in the late innings in 3 of their losses is a bitter pill to swallow, especially since 4 and 5 were completely preventable if they had even league average defenders. Moreover, as someone who has dealt with "LOLMETS!" comments since 2007, it really sucked that the team had to lose in that fashion and give people a chance to crap on them even after going through all of that to repair their image.

Even if I was viewing the WS as house money, the reality is pennants are never a sure thing. I believe this team will contend for a playoff spot for the next few years but even if they make it, the playoffs are a crapshoot. How many times has the prohibitive playoff favorite been knocked out in the division series round? Getting to the fall classic is hard.

If the Mets don't get back to that point while they have this pitching staff intact, it's completely fair for Mets fans to point to 2015 as "the one that got away"...maybe even moreso than 2006.
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Harvey has a well documented history of becoming mortal after the 100 pitch mark. It's not just a random occurrence. It's happened enough times, including this year, to be able to say he's done at 100.

Like I said, maybe the Royals win anyway but at least it wouldn't have been handed to them the way that it was. The Mets were very much good enough to be the Royals. They just blew it.
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Old 11-02-2015, 11:10 PM   #4306
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Mets biggest problem during the playoffs was not having to overcome adversity to the level of KC. The LA series was tough no doubt, but the Mets had the benefit of being the plucky thorns in the side of LA. They then steamrolled Chicago, and it was almost too easy. One can assume Chicago hit a BAD skid at the wrong time... it happens. Still obviously a great team and a feather in the Mets cap.

KC battled from 6-2 down, with 6 outs to go against Houston. The Jays while outplayed gave them a stern test, and by the time it came to the Mets they just seemed battle ready. Couple that with last years playoffs and I just don't think the Mets were at a point as a team to deal with KC...... as can be seen in literally every decision and play made. I'd have to agree with D-Ray and Vito, that the Mets certainly had the talent and ability to win (They were in and leading almost every game), but I think KC's tenacity shocked them. John Gibbons said it best, in that you just can't have one off moment against them. I honestly think it's just difficult when a team keeps coming at you and at you, particularly when the previous two team you've played imploded on themselves.
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The problem with The Mets is

- D is awful, like really awful

- Offense went SO COLD

- Not taking Harvey out after the walk in the 9th

- Bringing Familia into the worst situations

- How the fuck do the Mets not play no doubles with Hosmer up in the 9th? Terry Collins is how.
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Old 11-03-2015, 04:35 AM   #4308
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All that said. Fuck the Royals. Good season Mets.

Do you want Cespedes back? Murphy?
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Old 11-03-2015, 08:48 AM   #4310
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Old 11-03-2015, 08:50 AM   #4311
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Jays went all in this year, then their GM bolts. Not good.
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Do you want Cespedes back? Murphy?
I know I was all in on Cespedes when he was tearing shit up in August and early September and I was all "blank check!!!" and Damian Rey was all "whoa slow down buddy"...and he ended up being 100% right.

I'll always appreciate what Cespedes did for the team. The tear he went on was unlike anything I'd seen before and it's very possible they never win the East (let alone in a blowout) without him. He was well worth Michael Fulmer, who I think Detroit are going to be very happy with. That said, he completely disappeared in mid-September and never returned. His approach is very much homer-or-nothing and when he gets cold, he's glacially cold.

Add that to the fact that he's clearly not a true CF in spite of what he says and he tends to really loaf it on some plays and I just can't see how he's worth the $120+ million for 6 years or whatever he'll end up wanting. They'll be worse off without him but it's not yet known how high the Wilpons will be willing to increase payroll over the next few years and keeping these pitchers together even through arbitration is gonna be very expensive.
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Old 11-03-2015, 09:41 AM   #4313
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As for Murph...if I had my druthers I would re-sign him, put him at 1B full-time, and trade Duda. Murph is not the power hitter Duda is (in spite of Murph's playoff performance) but he is far more consistent offensively over 162 games than Duda. And at 1B Murph has looked competent. It's clear that Murph can't play 2B anymore. If the Mets are going to continue to hinge their hopes on pitching, they need strong up the middle defense and Murph at 2B cannibalizes that idea.

I suspect the Mets won't do that, though. They're very high on Dominic Smith who scouts feel might be big league ready as soon as 2017. Duda has 2 years of arbitration left at a lower cost than what Murph will get, so I suspect they'll just ride it out with the streaky Duda to bridge the gap to Smith. Murph's best value would really be in the AL as a guy you could plug into a corner infield spot and maybe even DH.
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Old 11-03-2015, 06:23 PM   #4314
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Mets are keeping Terry Collins around until 2017.

He's earned another 2 years in Queens with this season's performance, IMO.
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Red Sox giving one more chance to Clay Buchholz after picking up his option for next season. Could have just paid $245,000 to buy out his contract but instead took the $13 million he's owed for next season.
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Old 11-04-2015, 12:25 AM   #4316
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The second head scratcher I saw after the Jays picking up Dickey's option for $12 million..... That's an awful lot of money for a 41-year old starter, especially when money may be an issue when attempting to re-sign the likes of Price & Estrada
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OMG, the mood in KC is so electric right now.

We are going back to the World Series next year. Deal with it baseball.
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Old 11-04-2015, 07:59 AM   #4319
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The second head scratcher I saw after the Jays picking up Dickey's option for $12 million..... That's an awful lot of money for a 41-year old starter, especially when money may be an issue when attempting to re-sign the likes of Price & Estrada
Their pitching situation is a little bit dire at the moment. Don't really agree with the move but he'll give you 200 plus innings and his age isn't as relevant since he's a knuckleballer. Price is all but gone but I could see them QOing Estrada and likely picking up a first round draft pick for their troubles and nabbing a pitcher in the draft. (Who will most likely not pan out lol)
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I don't get it though. Am I not cool enough to be a baseball fan. I legit knew like every player from the ages of 6-13. I wanted to be Pet Hentgen. Clearly I don't pass Tonyboys test.
It's Pat Hentgen DALE
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