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Old 11-25-2019, 08:09 PM   #41
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I think the solution for this is for Michael Cole to step down effective immediately and to promote Graves to Director of Commentary, Live Television. That way Graves can re-focus the commentary teams in the direction he sees fit and restructure/remove any team as needed.
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:12 PM   #42
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People in WWE trash other people in the company publicly all the time

It sounds to me like WWE, his employer, has made reasonable accommodation and now has an employee 'no call no showing'
You can't defend Corey Graves' crassness because everyone else does the same. While we are at it, which other WWE commentator goes around making petty comments about their coworkers on Twitter?
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:13 PM   #43
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:14 PM   #44
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I think the solution for this is for Michael Cole to step down effective immediately and to promote Graves to Director of Commentary, Live Television. That way Graves can re-focus the commentary teams in the direction he sees fit and restructure/remove any team as needed.
Graves could also put Mauro on a 'Performance Improvement Plan' so they could track his progress at following established guidelines.
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:16 PM   #45
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LOL no he isn't

I have tried to watch matches he was in YT before and he doesn't know how to work a crowd at all

zero energy/psychology
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I mean he's okay. An indy guy with decent mechanics. He doesn't have the 'it' factor but that doesn't mean he's bad at his other job. Understanding how to connect with a crowd and being able to execute are two vastly different things.
Yes, Bryan Alvarez's wrestling ability is in direct correlation to the argument at hand. If only he would've been a better performer, Corey's comments would become inexcusable.
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:20 PM   #46
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:21 PM   #47
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I don't believe for one second he doesn't have a contract w WWE as well, regardless of what he claims
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:21 PM   #48
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I think that Cory here committed an act of social terrorism, in much the same way that Trump committed an act of domestic terrorism in the U.S. when he filed papers to run for the White House in 2016.

And that anyone who thinks or speaks positively about what Cory did is a social terrorist as well who should be locked up for 10-20 in a maximum security gulag.

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Holy fuck this company is stupid for continuing to employ the dumb fuck, and absolute pussy, that is Corey Graves, while being so "PC" and "anti-bullying", regardless of Mauro's issues. Corey Graves likely wouldn't show up to even have a debate with me, because he's a coward and an idiot, and I'm in a fucking wheelchair.
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Old 11-26-2019, 01:54 AM   #51
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Holy fuck this company is stupid for continuing to employ the dumb fuck, and absolute pussy, that is Corey Graves, while being so "PC" and "anti-bullying", regardless of Mauro's issues. Corey Graves likely wouldn't show up to even have a debate with me, because he's a coward and an idiot, and I'm in a fucking wheelchair.
The last time I checked, saying that you don't like someone's style is not "bullying".... Graves can have his opinion and is free to it, probably not the best idea to "shit" on a co-worker like he did, but it seems to me it was more of a "Mauro gets all the love, but don't forget Nigel & Beth are great too" type of Tweet.

But that's not controversial enough and then the hype began....
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Old 11-26-2019, 05:30 AM   #52
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Yep, he was just trying to get his coworkers some attention. Mauro pusses out as per usual and all the SJWs come out the wood work to stick up for their favorite pussy.

Mauro is all MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME and when anyone says anything to him he takes his ball and goes home and cries. He is the worst kind of employee and if WWE knew they wouldn't catch a whole bunch of flak for firing "Mr. Sensitive" he would have been gone a LONG time ago.
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Yep, he was just trying to get his coworkers some attention. Mauro pusses out as per usual and all the SJWs come out the wood work to stick up for their favorite pussy.

Mauro is all MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME and when anyone says anything to him he takes his ball and goes home and cries. He is the worst kind of employee and if WWE knew they wouldn't catch a whole bunch of flak for firing "Mr. Sensitive" he would have been gone a LONG time ago.
Seph, I'm unsure if you're trying to be cute or edgy but it's not just social justice warriors who recognize the plight of Ranallo. The man suffers from a real ailment. Just because it doesn't manifest in physical form, doesn't make it any less severe. Because of folx like yourself and the stigma surrounding mental health related issues, people are confining themselves in their homes.

Have some compassion, my dude. Just because you do not understand it, does not make it any less real.
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I love how you say because of folks like me. I'm one of the people who suffers from things like Mauro. He makes us all look bad, like we can't handle life. The stigma is because of people like him. The rest of us just don't get special treatment like he does; we still have to show up and do our jobs and handle our business.

Don't tell me I don't understand it; I've been being treated for it for 20 years. I had to be committed before because I got fucked up by a treatment I was prescribed.

You're the one who doesn't understand. We don't need people making excuses for us. Making us feel like we're lesser and need special treatment. We don't need to be handled with kids gloves.

Fuck Mauro.
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I love how you say because of folks like me. I'm one of the people who suffers from things like Mauro. He makes us all look bad, like we can't handle life. The stigma is because of people like him. The rest of us just don't get special treatment like he does; we still have to show up and do our jobs and handle our business.

Don't tell me I don't understand it; I've been being treated for it for 20 years. I had to be committed before because I got fucked up by a treatment I was prescribed.

You're the one who doesn't understand. We don't need people making excuses for us. Making us feel like we're lesser and need special treatment. We don't need to be handled with kids gloves.

Fuck Mauro.

I'm sure you understand that just because we don't have his privileges, doesn't make his problems any less significant. "Unlike us", he's in a position where he's able to uphold his boundaries.
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Dave, I'm not in TOTAL disagreement with you about Mauro as you should garner from my posts. And I think maybe Seph's outlook on this is a bit black and white.

But really, the guy is a bit of a bitch and a huge egotist. Seriously, just tell Graves to shut his googley-eyed pie hole the next time you see him. OR, just be like "dude you're fucking awful as a commentator, who cares what you have to say about anything?"

Graves was all kinds of wrong, but I do wish Mauro didn't whittle into playing the victim. At the end of the day, despite the fact that he spends most of the time getting himself over on commentary, he gets 99 per cent praise on twitter for being the greatest of all time. That should be enough.
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Dave, I'm not in TOTAL disagreement with you about Mauro as you should garner from my posts. And I think maybe Seph's outlook on this is a bit black and white.

But really, the guy is a bit of a bitch and a huge egotist. Seriously, just tell Graves to shut his googley-eyed pie hole the next time you see him. OR, just be like "dude you're fucking awful as a commentator, who cares what you have to say about anything?"

Graves was all kinds of wrong, but I do wish Mauro didn't whittle into playing the victim. At the end of the day, despite the fact that he spends most of the time getting himself over on commentary, he gets 99 per cent praise on twitter for being the greatest of all time. That should be enough.

Mauro is certainly not without his issues. He's also at an age where learning new coping methods is difficult.

Personally, I would've addressed it in private and would've fulfilled my commitments like a professional but I also understand that he was going through a difficult period prior to the TakeOver special. We are a vicious bunch and are highly critical. We lack empathy to a fault.

Corey's comments unwillingly opened the floodgates for fans to criticize Mauro without any restrictions. If it came down to choosing between "maning up / standing up for myself" vs "just getting through the day without suicidal thoughts or tendencies", I'd pick the latter, not caring if the world thought that I was a "pussy".
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You know there's nothing wrong with getting triggered--it's all about how you react and internalize.

It's possible to be simultaneously get triggered, be super sad about something, but still stand up for yourself and be a man without having a full-on meltdown.
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Old 11-26-2019, 08:28 AM   #59
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I love the handful of you that think Mauro is a giant egomaniac who always puts himself over and also voluntarily chose to give up his spot on one of the biggest shows of the year.

It’s almost like “suck it up” doesn’t always work.
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If he is so fragile that he can't deal with what Corey said then I am at a loss. I wouldn't say it was an insult, bordering on workplace bullying, but really, it was a criticism. Not common to see heat like that among those at the same company but it's just a tweet. I don't hate Mauro ... but he is so much, he is so over the top pretty much always now. I don't enjoy his work, I don't enjoy Corey's work. I think they are both bitches. I understand that Mauro has bi-polar disorder but I don't know what that has to do with being a big pussy.
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You know there's nothing wrong with getting triggered--it's all about how you react and internalize.

It's possible to be simultaneously get triggered, be super sad about something, but still stand up for yourself and be a man without having a full-on meltdown.
I want to say that the rules that apply to most of us do not necessarily apply to him because he's essentially "challenged". It's quite a predicament where I don't feel comfortable presenting a solution based on my personal experience.
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Is he on the spectrum as they say? I could see that.
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I love the handful of you that think Mauro is a giant egomaniac who always puts himself over and also voluntarily chose to give up his spot on one of the biggest shows of the year.

It’s almost like “suck it up” doesn’t always work.
That's oversimplifying what I'm saying. I suffer from depression and have DEFINITELY bailed on work because of symptoms. Though there are times when - like with any sickness - you have to put on a brave face. I've played rugby games - for instance - both with a brutal fucking sinus infection and with really rough depression.

But I think Mauro is more of an egomaniac than the narrative surrounding him suggests. There's a need to present him as some kind of SUPERHERO. Whereas I've heard rumblings that he's kind of just an irritating cocksucker.

It does get tricky with Mauro though, because he's obviously severely effected. But I feel like there's more people in the world suffering from similar symptoms who deal with similar situations in a superior fashion. Yeah, maybe they do get hit with a wave of suicidal thoughts. Hell, maybe they cry to themselves and have a fucking breakdown/fit. But they grit their teeth and lick their wounds without this kind of shit storm brewing.

At the end of the day, Graves should be disciplined. Nothing should happen to Mauro other than receiving an apology. However, I think Mauro surrounds himself with far too many yes men and isn't great with criticism.

Though, to circle back, Graves clearly highlights the toxic nature of the WWE work environment. Both him and Rollins I feel like probably were both reasonable human beings before being consumed by that despicable culture.
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If he is so fragile that he can't deal with what Corey said then I am at a loss. I wouldn't say it was an insult, bordering on workplace bullying, but really, it was a criticism. Not common to see heat like that among those at the same company but it's just a tweet. I don't hate Mauro ... but he is so much, he is so over the top pretty much always now. I don't enjoy his work, I don't enjoy Corey's work. I think they are both bitches. I understand that Mauro has bi-polar disorder but I don't know what that has to do with being a big pussy.
I am glad that you are acknowledging your limitation to understand the situation. Imagine knocking down an already injured person and calling him a "pussy" for not fighting back. Not everyone is made the same way.
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Well I wouldn't do that. I read that Graves essentially said the other other two announcers couldnt get a word in edge wise.
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That's oversimplifying what I'm saying. I suffer from depression and have DEFINITELY bailed on work because of symptoms. Though there are times when - like with any sickness - you have to put on a brave face. I've played rugby games - for instance - both with a brutal fucking sinus infection and with really rough depression.

But I think Mauro is more of an egomaniac than the narrative surrounding him suggests. There's a need to present him as some kind of SUPERHERO. Whereas I've heard rumblings that he's kind of just an irritating cocksucker.

It does get tricky with Mauro though, because he's obviously severely effected. But I feel like there's more people in the world suffering from similar symptoms who deal with similar situations in a superior fashion. Yeah, maybe they do get hit with a wave of suicidal thoughts. Hell, maybe they cry to themselves and have a fucking breakdown/fit. But they grit their teeth and lick their wounds without this kind of shit storm brewing.

At the end of the day, Graves should be disciplined. Nothing should happen to Mauro other than receiving an apology. However, I think Mauro surrounds himself with far too many yes men and isn't great with criticism.

Though, to circle back, Graves clearly highlights the toxic nature of the WWE culture. Both him and Rollins I feel like probably were both reasonable human beings before being consumed by that despicable culture.
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Taking into consideration Mauro has said to have Bi-Polar disorder, Graves is indeed a dick for publicly saying what he said. I totally see that. I just don't know that taking the big PPV off for what happened seems necessary to me. But you're all right who are in Mauro's mental corner, I'm not him and I don't deal with things the way he does. If WWE is okay with working around his problems then I support that because that's big growth for the E.
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I love how you say because of folks like me. I'm one of the people who suffers from things like Mauro. He makes us all look bad, like we can't handle life. The stigma is because of people like him. The rest of us just don't get special treatment like he does; we still have to show up and do our jobs and handle our business.

Don't tell me I don't understand it; I've been being treated for it for 20 years. I had to be committed before because I got fucked up by a treatment I was prescribed.

You're the one who doesn't understand. We don't need people making excuses for us. Making us feel like we're lesser and need special treatment. We don't need to be handled with kids gloves.

Fuck Mauro.
Sorry about your struggles, Seph. I hope you have more good days than bad days. But isn't Mauro like one of the premier broadcasters in sports and professional wrestling? Between what he's achieved in life, I'd say he can handle his shit pretty well most days.

Corey saying what he said is just dickish, because he's a dick, and fuck him. Dude fucking sucks at commentary anyway, but hey, that could just be main roster shit. Dude worked hard and seemed good for a while, but he seems to believe his own shit. Anyway, it's just a fucking asshole thing to do when you're in a publicly traded company to shit on someone trying to do their job.

And this has happened before. This whole bullying, condescending, public dressing down shit happened with JBL when Mauro was basically humiliated on SmackDown and PPV each week because Vince would get his jollies off when the big jock wrestler would sandbag Mauro and make him look like shit for making a human error or being enthusiastic. It's got to have a sting of "Not this fucking shit again. Fuck this." It would be surprising if Graves hasn't been pulled up about this, because didn't Mauro sign some sort of non-disclosure thing and that's probably violated by Graves making this an unhappy mess for everyone.

It doesn't seem like Mauro gets any shit from any other company he's worked for. It's just WWE and that fucking culture. And if Graves has the freedom of speech to speak out, which I would argue you don't have the freedom of consequence of if, say, someone were to replace him with someone better because he's a dick and not even that good, then Mauro has got the right to delete his Twitter so he doesn't have to see this shit. Has he even made a statement saying it was about Graves? Not going to Survivor Series aside, he's actually the one being more professional by biting his tongue.
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He made one comment about Mauro stifling his co-commentators. It's on Mauro for over-reacting to valid critiques.
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