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Old 02-22-2016, 12:07 PM   #23041
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Vince won't realize it because in his mind, Roman is perfect. It quite literally will not fail because VKM won't let it. And you can believe that.
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Old 02-22-2016, 12:15 PM   #23042
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Part of me really wants to see everything move forward as expected. Roman beats Triple H clean in the main event of Wrestlemania, no swerve or heel turn, and the crowd absolutely boos the shit out of it. Maybe 100,000 people categorically rejecting Vince McMahon's Roman Reigns project will make him realize what a failure it really is.
WWE would probably just go overboard with the music and celebrations or turn down the crowd mics once Reigns wins. Make it seem like the crowd's hatred is not as big as it really is.

Reigns has the same problem Ryback had in that the WWE didn't really care about letting him devlop gradually and just skipped the real midcard building needed for both guys.
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Old 02-22-2016, 12:39 PM   #23043
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Vince won't change anything because he doesn't have to. He's going to make piles of money regardless if he pushes talent that's actually universally over or not. It the ten year Cena run tells us anything, especially the initial run where the attitude era fans turned on him in droves and the company transitioned to more family friendly, it's that Vince is a man of conviction and he's not going to change what he wants until presented a valid reason, like getting beat in ratings and losing top talent.

Seeing as that's not gonna happen, it's more likely that things change when Vince let's go, which is probably another 20 years away, when he passes.
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Old 02-22-2016, 12:44 PM   #23044
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Maybe they will add some sort of stipulation like The Authority must step down if Triple H loses (but for REALSIES this time) just to try to raise some sort of doubt that Reigns will win.

In that scenario though you're still likely to get a clean Reigns win followed by the face locker room emptying and hoisting the triumphant Reigns on their shoulders while the announcers gush about it and confetti falls from the ceiling...yet the crowd will STILL boo.
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Old 02-22-2016, 01:33 PM   #23045
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First ever REALSIES match

Now I wanna hear a promo from both of them talking about their "realisies match"
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Old 02-22-2016, 01:45 PM   #23046
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I wanted to make a thread about this but there isn't much more to say than...

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Old 02-22-2016, 01:47 PM   #23047
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Will he get AJ Stlyes treatment and get to keep his name?

Kana was renamed to Auska which I think was an improvement. Hideo Itami is not really as cool as KENTA but it's not bad either. I think he might get to keep his name considering all the publication of the signing.
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Old 02-22-2016, 01:49 PM   #23048
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Best AJ promo since his debut.
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Old 02-22-2016, 03:31 PM   #23049
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Old 02-22-2016, 04:56 PM   #23050
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Reigns has the same problem Ryback had in that the WWE didn't really care about letting him devlop gradually and just skipped the real midcard building needed for both guys.
I actually dug that about Ryback.

The problem then, was that once he was at "that level", they fucked up, didn't know what to do with him and made him a jobber/heel.

In fact, Ryback going from squash matches/mid-card matches to suddenly going after CM Punk was quite exciting. Gave a legit vibe that anything could happen in WWE.
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Old 02-22-2016, 05:10 PM   #23051
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I actually dug that about Ryback.

The problem then, was that once he was at "that level", they fucked up, didn't know what to do with him and made him a jobber/heel.

In fact, Ryback going from squash matches/mid-card matches to suddenly going after CM Punk was quite exciting. Gave a legit vibe that anything could happen in WWE.
When Punk turned around and Ryback was standing there, I marked a little. "Finally, something different" and then...meh.
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Old 02-22-2016, 05:14 PM   #23052
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Old 02-22-2016, 05:23 PM   #23053
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I actually dug that about Ryback.

The problem then, was that once he was at "that level", they fucked up, didn't know what to do with him and made him a jobber/heel.

In fact, Ryback going from squash matches/mid-card matches to suddenly going after CM Punk was quite exciting. Gave a legit vibe that anything could happen in WWE.
Another problem was after a while it became obvious he was just filling in for Cena and not actually get a real promotion or main event push. Lost a lot of momentum once the Punk feud ended and then whatever was left after the Mania loss to Henry and feud loss to Cena.

Ziggler was similar in the sense that his huge win in Survivor Series 2014 led to nothing since he was only filling in for Reigns and was never planned to get a real rub or push from it.
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Old 02-22-2016, 05:41 PM   #23054
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MAJOR Raw Spoiler if it's indeed true.

SPOILER: show
FalconArrow on Reddit said that RAW tonight is going to be worth watching from beginning to end. Said we "Might be getting an early Christmas gift." Current speculation online is that CM Punk is coming back tonight because his bio has been re-added to WWE.com and a couple of days ago Cena uploaded CM Punks longtime twitter avy to his instagram
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Old 02-22-2016, 05:45 PM   #23055
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MAJOR Raw Spoiler if it's indeed true.

SPOILER: show
FalconArrow on Reddit said that RAW tonight is going to be worth watching from beginning to end. Said we "Might be getting an early Christmas gift." Current speculation online is that CM Punk is coming back tonight because his bio has been re-added to WWE.com and a couple of days ago Cena uploaded CM Punks longtime twitter avy to his instagram
Lol if that actually happens I'll eat my hat. Whoever is claiming that is either a moron, or they work for WWE and are trying to bump the ratings.
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Old 02-22-2016, 05:51 PM   #23056
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Vince won't realize it because in his mind, Roman is perfect. It quite literally will not fail because VKM won't let it. And you can believe that.
I read a lot of reports of house shows and comments of shows on twitter, and almost every show i read "reigns got the biggest pop of the night". I think there is a disconnect between fans online who just watch the tv and complain vs the paying fans.
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Old 02-22-2016, 05:53 PM   #23057
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Why don't you ever hear it on TV or PPV's?
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Old 02-22-2016, 05:54 PM   #23058
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Another problem was after a while it became obvious he was just filling in for Cena and not actually get a real promotion or main event push. Lost a lot of momentum once the Punk feud ended and then whatever was left after the Mania loss to Henry and feud loss to Cena.

Ziggler was similar in the sense that his huge win in Survivor Series 2014 led to nothing since he was only filling in for Reigns and was never planned to get a real rub or push from it.
Some guys hit their ceiling faster than expected.

I like Ryback from what I've seen of him in shoot interviews. I just don't think he's capable of being THE GUY.
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Old 02-22-2016, 05:57 PM   #23059
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Why don't you ever hear it on TV or PPV's?
You do. He always gets a big pop. You just have the 15% of the crowd that are loud and are there to be against whatever the machine is pushing.

He'll end up like Cena. Not everyone will be for him, but he'll get a reaction.

Put it this way. I would rather Roman get the reaction he got during his match than the reaction AJ Styles got during his match.
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Old 02-22-2016, 05:57 PM   #23060
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Speculation online is that with Bailey pictures above in a Macho Man shirt, Vince has found a way to raise the dead and Savage will return tonight on Raw.
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Old 02-22-2016, 05:58 PM   #23061
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Lol if that actually happens I'll eat my hat. Whoever is claiming that is either a moron, or they work for WWE and are trying to bump the ratings.
great chance its the latter.
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Old 02-22-2016, 05:59 PM   #23062
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I'll be watching Deadpool, so I'll have to check the "big surprise" after.
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I read a lot of reports of house shows and comments of shows on twitter, and almost every show i read "reigns got the biggest pop of the night". I think there is a disconnect between fans online who just watch the tv and complain vs the paying fans.
Just so I'm clear, you believe what you read online that someone else said, right? That's okay to do, right?
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movie was awesome. so many easter eggs. its hard to keep track of them all.
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Old 02-22-2016, 06:05 PM   #23065
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Either way it might work. Question wtf would they have planned that's anymore interesting than what was going on two years ago.
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Shades of grey.
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Old 02-22-2016, 06:39 PM   #23067
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Only the stuff that confirms my own idiotic beliefs.
There I fixed that for you, buddy.
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Old 02-22-2016, 06:44 PM   #23068
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There I fixed that for you, buddy.
You think it's idiotic that Reigns gets massive pops at house shows?

How many shows have you been to where he gets no reaction?
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Old 02-22-2016, 06:59 PM   #23069
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MAJOR Raw Spoiler if it's indeed true.

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FalconArrow on Reddit said that RAW tonight is going to be worth watching from beginning to end. Said we "Might be getting an early Christmas gift." Current speculation online is that CM Punk is coming back tonight because his bio has been re-added to WWE.com and a couple of days ago Cena uploaded CM Punks longtime twitter avy to his instagram
From the Observer about when this supposed surprise is meant to happen. The original source on SquaredCircle hinted it was occurring at the end of the show.

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I don't know what it is, but was told it's "not at the end, up front," so I'm thinking first segment.
The source at SquaredCircle also confirmed whatever the plan was, it got changed to happen sooner in the show.
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Old 02-22-2016, 07:49 PM   #23071
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Herp derp I believe everything I hear on twitter so long as it agrees with what I believe. I also Vince McMahon's muscular, leather couch of a body more than anything in the world and will do anything to get him to notice me.
There ya go fixed it again! You're welcome, buddy.
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Old 02-22-2016, 11:56 PM   #23072
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Old 02-23-2016, 07:11 AM   #23075
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I read a lot of reports of house shows and comments of shows on twitter, and almost every show i read "reigns got the biggest pop of the night". I think there is a disconnect between fans online who just watch the tv and complain vs the paying fans.
I'll entertain you because this place needs the entertainment.

So the "IWC" or "Twitter Machine" or "Online Reports" (from HHH, or VKM Only of course) are okay when they serve your point, mkay

I am (was until a few months ago) a paying fan. I have been to every show that has been in Indy since 92 when I went to WM VII. The product has grown stale for me. It has grown stale because the past 10 years the same formula has been in play with Cena and it is boring to watch, for me.

After seeing the build with Reigns, it is clear that the WWE Universe is in for more of the same. Even taking the kayfabe chest protector out of the equation, Reigns just bounced up at the end of the match as if he hadn't even been in a match. LOLCENAWINS will soon be LOLROMANWINS.

Sure he will garner a reaction, much like that of Cena. For me, personally, I don't want to pay $$$ to see that anymore. I cancelled my network sub yesterday and Shane//Taker isn't good enough to get me to renew.

Gotta love those rights fees that are exploding because of the immense reaction Reigns gets at house shows. WOOOOO!!
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I'll entertain you because this place needs the entertainment.

So the "IWC" or "Twitter Machine" or "Online Reports" (from HHH, or VKM Only of course) are okay when they serve your point, mkay

I am (was until a few months ago) a paying fan. I have been to every show that has been in Indy since 92 when I went to WM VII. The product has grown stale for me. It has grown stale because the past 10 years the same formula has been in play with Cena and it is boring to watch, for me.

After seeing the build with Reigns, it is clear that the WWE Universe is in for more of the same. Even taking the kayfabe chest protector out of the equation, Reigns just bounced up at the end of the match as if he hadn't even been in a match. LOLCENAWINS will soon be LOLROMANWINS.

Sure he will garner a reaction, much like that of Cena. For me, personally, I don't want to pay $$$ to see that anymore. I cancelled my network sub yesterday and Shane//Taker isn't good enough to get me to renew.

Gotta love those rights fees that are exploding because of the immense reaction Reigns gets at house shows. WOOOOO!!
So at the end of the day you feel WWE should cater to you over the thousands of people in attendance who are repeat customers. And you awknowledge Roman is getting massive pops at arenas. So why would they stop pushing him? When an audience is dead silent for his matches, then you move on. When crowds dwindle then you move on. Neither has happened. And that's without a true passing of the torch program between Reigns and Cena.

They had another huge crowd for RAW last night. Going to have somewhere close to 100k at Mania. The fans were going absolutely crazy for the closing angle. I can't imagine people there saying they didn't enjoy themselves.

If you don't think all the cool WWE programming on the Network is worth $10 a month, that's great, you made the right call. Lots more people like me still enjoy the product. So who should WWE cater to? Me or you? If enough business metrics are heading south, then you will see changes. But right now, the majority of metrics are improving. So why would they change course?
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Old 02-23-2016, 11:43 AM   #23077
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From what I heard the fans were cheering HHH beating Roman Reigns?

Drave is not the only one who stopped watching, many people have, check the ratings.
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Old 02-23-2016, 11:54 AM   #23078
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So at the end of the day you feel WWE should cater to you over the thousands of people in attendance who are repeat customers. And you awknowledge Roman is getting massive pops at arenas. So why would they stop pushing him? When an audience is dead silent for his matches, then you move on. When crowds dwindle then you move on. Neither has happened. And that's without a true passing of the torch program between Reigns and Cena.

They had another huge crowd for RAW last night. Going to have somewhere close to 100k at Mania. The fans were going absolutely crazy for the closing angle. I can't imagine people there saying they didn't enjoy themselves.

If you don't think all the cool WWE programming on the Network is worth $10 a month, that's great, you made the right call. Lots more people like me still enjoy the product. So who should WWE cater to? Me or you? If enough business metrics are heading south, then you will see changes. But right now, the majority of metrics are improving. So why would they change course?
I never said they should cater to ME, that would be silly. I just said what they put out no longer interests me. I also believe it would be in their best interests to "take a chance" now and again instead of churning out the same shit on a different day/week/month. A passing of the torch isn't needed, any viewer can see the stark similarities without trying.

I also don't acknowledge Reigns getting massive pops. Ambrose easily gets bigger pops consistently. He gets pops, not massive, and they are LARGELY mixed (hence the Cena reference). I also never said they should stop pushing him, just that it is the same ole formula and boring as fuck.

They can have huge crowds any given night, especially following a PPV. You think the place went nuts because Reigns was getting over or because HHH came off as a fucking badass and more people want to see THAT level of aggression? Surely you are joking if you believe people were cheering for Reigns (unless you REALLY wanna be tongue-in-cheek saying the cheers for him getting his ass beat are cheers regardless)

Mania will always sell itself based on name alone, period.

The backlog of content is great, no doubt. It also servers as a reminder that they could do much better if they actually tried harder. When they had competition, they were much better, out of necessity to defeat competition.



TL;DR

They can do what they want (and will regardless). It isn't for me as I don't get any "entertainment" from it anymore and therefore will no longer support them as a business. If they change their game in the future, I'll reconsider.

You also like to spin things and are inconsistent with your "arguments".
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WrestleMania this year has an early 2000's feel to it. WMX7, WMX8, WMXIX - all fantastic WrestleManias.

Shane/Undertaker will be Taker's most entertaining match in years. It will be like Undertaker/Flair at WrestleMania was - except Shane is more agile and takes bumps.
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I have my doubts that a 46 year old Shane McMahon who hasn't wrestled in 6 years and has three kids is going to be taking all that many bumps.
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